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Question everything
15th February 2007, 01:40
think about it, Nazis blame minorities... Democrats blame Republicans, Republicans Blame the "Welfare Mamas", could Marx have turned the Rich into a scapegoat... keep in mind that I know that the rich are the cause of many problems, but would getting rid of them really do everything we say it would? end all crime, hatred, religion? think about it... and don't ban me I'm just trying to make people think.

black magick hustla
15th February 2007, 01:51
yeah

CAPITALISM IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL is a piece of shit theory and completely ahistorical

capitalism was the rational evolution of the productive forces, it wasnt a system that some smart people planned beforehand and executed carefully

OneBrickOneVoice
15th February 2007, 01:59
what are you talking about? Of course Capitalism is the source of all evil.

Fawkes
15th February 2007, 02:15
"Evil" occurred before capitalism even existed. I don't really know if I'd go so far as to call the rich a "scapegoat" for communists, but I would, rather obviously, call capitalism one.

Everyday Anarchy
15th February 2007, 02:15
Of course communists use the bourgeois as a scapegoat. The irony being that many of Communism's founders came from quite bourgeois lives.

black magick hustla
15th February 2007, 02:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 01:59 am
what are you talking about? Of course Capitalism is the source of all evil.
that class society has existed since ever and that there has been worse things than capitalism (unless you are from some places in africa then capitalism has really screwed you)?

Kropotkin Has a Posse
15th February 2007, 02:24
I think we need to blame the systems more. Even kindly, philanthropic rich are still abusing people because of the way society is ordered, but some aren't aware of that. We can hardly blame an entire group of people when they themselves are all somebody's ***** too.

LSD
15th February 2007, 02:32
what are you talking about? Of course Capitalism is the source of all evil.

Since there's no such thing as "evil", there obviously isn't a "source" of it either.

But, no, communism is not the "scapegoating" of the bourgeoisie.

For one thing, the bourgeoisie really do bennefit greatly from capitalist relations, and because of that have a strong motivation to fight for their perpetuation. That doesn't make them "evil", but it does mean that they are our intractable opponents in this fight.

Someone is a "scapegoats" when they are blamed for events outside of their control. That most certainly does not describe the bossses.

Will ending capitalism solve every problem? Of course not. It depends on what we replace it with. Primitivists want to destroy capitalism too, but because they want to succeed it with nihilistic political chaos, it would only make things worse.

That's despite the fact that a primitivst society would almost certainly be more "equal" than the one we have now. It's just that everyone would be equally misereable.

But communism isn't just about "smashing" the status quo, it's also about putting in place a system of free and democratic worker self-governance. And, yes, that will go a long way to ending many of the social problems that plague us today.

Will it "end" crime? No, but since most crime is economic in nature, it will definitely reduce it drastically.

As for "hatred" and the like, those things will probably never fully die, but, like with religion, ending the inequality and alienation that drives people into the arms of superstition-peddlers is undoutably the first step.

But no one ever said that communism was a one-off affair. Social progress is a constant process; ending capitalism is just one more step (albeit a big one), and it's most certainly not the last one.

Question everything
15th February 2007, 21:10
You're Right LSD... but my question stands is blaming bouregous for the many things wrong with society much more rational than the Nazis/Republicians blaming immigrants? (of course it makes more sense than the nazi philosophy by blamming the oppressor but it cannot live up to all given expections)


CAPITALISM IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL is a piece of shit theory and completely ahistorical


Capitalism is a piece of shit theory, but is communism/socialism the anwser to the problems? and is it perhaps blaming problems on capital that it shouldn't?