We Are Heading To Year Minus One

[Les Enragés]

The U.S., I'm sorry to say, is heading to out and out fascism. We have elements of this regressive transitional period already. Dr. Chalmers Johnson, in his book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic, predicts that either bankruptcy, a military dictatorship or a revolution will occur very soon.

In my humble opinion, the majority of the people of AmeriKKKa are too backward in their thinking. They only care about their suburbian values. They will rally their support around any charming military dictator that comes around.

http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0131-27.htm


Violence is the midwife of every old society pregnant with a new one--Karl Marx

Reaction is the abortion doctor of every decayed society miscarrying a revolution

[Cheung Mo]

A fundie-fuck revolution is more likely in the U.S. than a socialist one.

[Coggeh]

I think its not going to fascism at all .... maybe politically wise it might but not economically wise

AND NO this is not a conspiracy theory (permanent revolution) lol .... i just think that its a dictatorship of big business as in alot of countries and the state will never get a grip on the big business and force them to produce for the fascist economy .

[Sir_No_Sir]

Businesses are the state in America-according to Mussolinim,this is fascism.

[YSR]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 02:46 pm
Businesses are the state in America-according to Mussolinim,this is fascism.
Not at all. When Mussolini spoke of "corporatism," he spoke of it in the context of the Latin root, "corpus," meaning "body." Free-markets and fascism do not go hand-in-hand. Fascism is a different breed of ideology.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 03:25 pm
I think its not going to fascism at all .... maybe politically wise it might but not economically wise

AND NO this is not a conspiracy theory (permanent revolution) lol .... i just think that its a dictatorship of big business as in alot of countries and the state will never get a grip on the big business and force them to produce for the fascist economy .
In America:

Big business = the government
The government = big business

[Hate Is Art]

I think that statement is a bit of an over-simplification, the government looks out for big business, but it is not big business. The are linked due to the 'unique' way American political parties are funded and the way their system works. In every 9 out of 10 elections in America, the candidate who has the most money raised, wins. So a candidate will take it up the metaphorical arse to get money from corparations and will give them what ever they want in return.

For example, Bush get's money from oil industry, gets rid of regulation regarding pollution in Texas whilst he was governer. Or, Bush gets money from oil industry whilst President, then he opens up a wildlife sanctuary in Alaska to oil drilling.

[Coggeh]

Originally posted by FoB+February 14, 2007 12:18 am--> (FoB @ February 14, 2007 12:18 am)
[email protected] 13, 2007 03:25 pm
I think its not going to fascism at all .... maybe politically wise it might but not economically wise

AND NO this is not a conspiracy theory (permanent revolution) lol .... i just think that its a dictatorship of big business as in alot of countries and the state will never get a grip on the big business and force them to produce for the fascist economy .
In America:

Big business = the government
The government = big business [/b]
The business controls the goverment , its not the other way around which it would be in a fascist society .

[Kia]

The business controls the goverment , its not the other way around which it would be in a fascist society .

I agree that the government doesn't control the big businesses but the big businesses do have such a huge control on the government that one could easily say that a lot of the time they are the government. Since they are semi-govs they do exert force upon smaller businesses in America, thus Government = Big Business is somewhat correct.

[Hate Is Art]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 11:05 pm

The business controls the goverment , its not the other way around which it would be in a fascist society .

I agree that the government doesn't control the big businesses but the big businesses do have such a huge control on the government that one could easily say that a lot of the time they are the government. Since they are semi-govs they do exert force upon smaller businesses in America, thus Government = Big Business is somewhat correct.
Ask yourself what is a government? It does not sell commodities etc as it would if you were to apply your definition to it, a government supplies the infrastructure nessescry to support a country, co-ordinates health, police, fire services etc etc obviously this is all in theory. Big business doesn't do this in America, it gives the government money to give itself more power in doing whatever the fuck it wants.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Coggy+February 14, 2007 10:27 pm--> (Coggy @ February 14, 2007 10:27 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 12:18 am

[email protected] 13, 2007 03:25 pm
I think its not going to fascism at all .... maybe politically wise it might but not economically wise

AND NO this is not a conspiracy theory (permanent revolution) lol .... i just think that its a dictatorship of big business as in alot of countries and the state will never get a grip on the big business and force them to produce for the fascist economy .
In America:

Big business = the government
The government = big business
The business controls the goverment , its not the other way around which it would be in a fascist society . [/b]
err

depends how you look at it comrade.

Fascism can also be seen as the capitalists taking a refuge in ever more authoritarian, state-ly methods to avert communist revolution.
This way of looking at it is supported by the fact that Fascism could never be imposed without the support of large parts of the bourgeoisie.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

If big business and big government are one in the same, the question of one controlling the other is completely nonsensical.

[Cheung Mo]

The U.S. is so fucking corrupt that I want to vomit all over my laptop.

One of the most prominent politicians in some anti-WalMart movement -- Hillary Clinton -- is also on the company's fucking borders of directors.

What's the old sayng again? 4 legs good, 2 legs better.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

One of the most prominent politicians in some anti-WalMart movement -- Hillary Clinton -- is also on the company's fucking borders of directors.

:D

You sure about that?

[Janus]

You sure about that?
She served on the board from 1985-1992.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html

[Goatse]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 05:37 am

You sure about that?
She served on the board from 1985-1992.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html
Emphasis on the "served"?

Was John Kerry corrupt for opposing war yet having fought in it himself?