When the Revolution Comes - How will you help your brothas?

[Lardlad95]

I was thinking, when this revolution comes what will you do to help move along the movement? I know everyone says they will fight, but how specifically? Like recon, making explosives, assassian(I know someone here is good with a gun)? What wold you find as your specialty?

I personally believe that I would be good at troop command, not like the whole army, just like a unit or something just a bit bigger. I doubt I would be the best general, I need to see the battle to make decisions. Which is why I'm starting to study battles, guerilla war fare, and such.

What does everyone else think they can contribute to the cause?

By the way, can anyone recomend any books on Guerilla Warfare, don't bother mentioning Che's book cuz thats the first one I plan to read.

[Xvall]

I don't know what I would be. Very political if possible. Meaning making speeches, arrangments for supplies, etc. I'm not really that strong or tough, so don't expect me to be a general of any sort. (Unless of course, generals are selected ebcause of their knowledge, and not their brute strength) I can help make bombs. And I'm a good spy, thief, and sabateaur. So you can send me to infiltrate a headquarters and steal documents or something.

- Drake Dracoli

[Lardlad95]

THe revolution always needs speach makers and spies.

Actualy I doubt the generals would do any fighting, generals are intellegent and make political decisions. I can see my self as a general someday, that is if I survive being a Lt. first, commanding men on the feild.


The way I see it is we destroy/capture the two important things first.

1. equipment: all the places that tanks are kept when not being used(or built), fuel, factories, storage, etc.

2. Bases that train recruits: Paris Island and Camp Lajune.

(I have been to Paris Island, I used to live at a Naval Base near there in Beaufort, SC. Beaufort has Four Bases...it will be a good place to destroy and steal aircraft)

After that we need to be stealthy. The US is far to large for the attacks I wish I could use. There fore we must Take on base after base. We don't want to destroy the bases, only capture them and eliminate its soldiers. we must salvage everything we can, for two reasons

1. They out number us

2. We need to be weary of Aircraft. That is the major weakness we have. They can bomb us at anytime before we can see them. We need anti aircraft to destroy planes and incoming bombs.

We have one thing on our side, they under estimate us. We don't however have the ability for guerilla war fare on a grand scale. There fore we must take them quckly and with surprise. We have to take the base before reinforcements get there. We need to slightly overestimate their forces, but not so much that we spread our forces to thin. That would hinder us. We need alot of people. I wonder if leftist all over the world would aid us.

We would need to find military leaders and assassinate them as well as Bush. And the pentagon will have to go.


The funny thing is I would probably be considered a terrorist......but the thing is I consider my saelf a revolutionary hoeful. What seperates a revolutionary and a terrorist?

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 3:52 am on April 4, 2002)

[CheGuevara]

You will all be slaughtered because you've given your battle plan away on a public bulletin board. Anyway, assuming no government cocksuckers are looking at this, there are several problems with your strategies, so you'll probably get slaughtered anyway.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 3:59 am on April 4, 2002)

[munkey soup]

Find a book called "Fighting in the Streets: A Manual for Urban Guerilla Warfare" by Urbano. Warning: You will most definately be put on some kind of watch list for buying this book. I have it and it is exactly what the name implys. It has chapters and usefull diagrams and pictures on how to make distillers and bombs, homemade weapons (rifles, handguns, shotguns, SMGs, rockets) as well as how to plan and excute ambushes and assaults. Also it has a chapter on how to deal with counter-insurrgency forces. In a real guerilla war, it would be much more useful than Che's book.

[munkey soup]

CheGuevara makes a good point. But Lardlad95's strategies are simple and would have already been covered by a counter-revolutionary defense plan.

As for the book, since I am not calling for armed insurrection in the US as of yet (hear that spooks, not calling for armed insurrection, so leave me be) I do not need to worry if its tactics are useless.

[RedRevolutionary87]

explosives expert reporting, i would also be good at organising troops, and far ranging millitary strategy, but not tactics

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from CheGuevara on 3:55 am on April 4, 2002
You will all be slaughtered because you've given your battle plan away on a public bulletin board. Anyway, assuming no government cocksuckers are looking at this, there are several problems with your strategies, so you'll probably get slaughtered anyway.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 3:59 am on April 4, 2002)



First of all you are right, it isn't wise to disscuss battle plans here. However do you really think that is my only plan? More planning goes into it than that. I mean what do you take me for, a moron? There is no way i would march in with fifty guys and plan to take over a nation.

By the time we gathered enough people I could be any were from 25-90 there fore I'm just writng fotnotes now. I plan to study this far more than what I posted here

Do you have a better plan? Cuz I would really like to hear it, it will help me shape my theories

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from munkey soup on 4:05 am on April 4, 2002
Find a book called "Fighting in the Streets: A Manual for Urban Guerilla Warfare" by Urbano. Warning: You will most definately be put on some kind of watch list for buying this book. I have it and it is exactly what the name implys. It has chapters and usefull diagrams and pictures on how to make distillers and bombs, homemade weapons (rifles, handguns, shotguns, SMGs, rockets) as well as how to plan and excute ambushes and assaults. Also it has a chapter on how to deal with counter-insurrgency forces. In a real guerilla war, it would be much more useful than Che's book.


I will look for it but there are two things hindering me, one if my parents found it I'm off to boarding school, or the Naval Academy...thought that would just further my knowledge of war.

Second, I doubt alot of book stores carry it, but this city is really liberal so....

Thanx for the info though...where did you find it?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from munkey soup on 4:14 am on April 4, 2002
CheGuevara makes a good point. But Lardlad95's strategies are simple and would have already been covered by a counter-revolutionary defense plan.

As for the book, since I am not calling for armed insurrection in the US as of yet (hear that spooks, not calling for armed insurrection, so leave me be) I do not need to worry if its tactics are useless.


I know the military would cover that crap, kill leaders, get informants, all the crap they did to the Panthers ,I know

Like I said to Che that wasn't my entire strategy, it was just a foundation, I plan to plan alot more


Personally I want to bring about Socialism through democracy, the revolution notes are just incase

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 4:17 am on April 4, 2002
explosives expert reporting, i would also be good at organising troops, and far ranging millitary strategy, but not tactics



explosives is one of the most important things in war. What kind of explosives do you know how to make?

[CheGuevara]

A revolutionary does not discuss any battle plans through electronic communications unless encoded or in an absolute emergency.

[Lardlad95]

why you gettin on my case? Its not like I have any other place to disscuss it. Besides how many guerilla fighters had computers?

[munkey soup]

He (CheGuevara) is just making the point that a serious revolutionary isn't gonna incriminate him/herself by posting ideas in a public forum.

But if you're not planning on trying to overthrow the US gov't anytime soon, I don't really see a problem in discussing theoretical tactics and such.

As for the book, to tell the truth, I bought it off.......Amazon, about one 1/2 years ago. Yes, you heard it, Amazon.com. It was with mi madres credit card though, so they're (the spooks) tracking her, not me. D'oh, now they know!

[Super Xero]

I have good leadership skills, and would partcipate in political activities, speeches, etc.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from munkey soup on 6:04 am on April 4, 2002
He (CheGuevara) is just making the point that a serious revolutionary isn't gonna incriminate him/herself by posting ideas in a public forum.

But if you're not planning on trying to overthrow the US gov't anytime soon, I don't really see a problem in discussing theoretical tactics and such.

As for the book, to tell the truth, I bought it off.......Amazon, about one 1/2 years ago. Yes, you heard it, Amazon.com. It was with mi madres credit card though, so they're (the spooks) tracking her, not me. D'oh, now they know!


Npe, not planning on taking down the US.....just yet....damn it now they will be after me also,,,from now on I'm Fernando Sanchez....damn it I shouldn't have said my allias

Anyway, I looked up the book, I found it, Amazon is selling it along with Guerilla War Fare by CHe Guevara.

I also found online manuals and articles about how to start a militia

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Super Xero on 9:41 am on April 4, 2002
I have good leadership skills, and would partcipate in political activities, speeches, etc.


By this you mean you would recruit people? Or just spread the message

[honest intellectual]

I've got loadsa Anarchist cookbook things, if anyone wants me to e-mail them, just send me a private message.
Anyway, I'd like to be a rural guerilla, in the typical Guevarist sense. The vanguard and foci and all that. And I'd like to be involved in a bit of propaganda on the side, photography and articles on the revoluition and Radio Rebelde etc.

[Lardlad95]

being a rural guerilla would kick ass. but with all the damn cities...


sure I'd love to see anarchist cook books.

[deadpool 52]

If you try and make the homemade explosives, they are most likely to blow up in your face. I would probably work on anything involving strategy.

[PunkRawker677]

in highschool they used to call me the "commie rogue", i basically did whatever i wanted, however i wanted and no superior authority never even took a hint.. im good at 'not being seen' and im good at doing motivational speeches.. so i could be a political person, and a spy.. but i would definitly be in raw combat.. front lines.. along with everyone else.. "in the battlefield we are all equals".. im good with guns.. i was in the young marines when i was a teenager, therefore i know most military basics..

[RedRevolutionary87]

well im skilled at making explosives, so they dont blow up in my face...anymore, i had my eyebrows burned off a few times tho:) but ya i can make things ranging from rockets to napalm, i dont wanna get into too much detail for obviose reasons

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from deadpool 52 on 12:41 am on April 5, 2002

If you try and make the homemade explosives, they are most likely to blow up in your face. I would probably work on anything involving strategy.



not necassarily(Sp?) I sure as hell can't make any bomb besides a cocktail but some people know how

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from PunkRawker677 on 2:14 am on April 5, 2002
in highschool they used to call me the "commie rogue", i basically did whatever i wanted, however i wanted and no superior authority never even took a hint.. im good at 'not being seen' and im good at doing motivational speeches.. so i could be a political person, and a spy.. but i would definitly be in raw combat.. front lines.. along with everyone else.. "in the battlefield we are all equals".. im good with guns.. i was in the young marines when i was a teenager, therefore i know most military basics..


young marines? See the US is just helping us destroy them. My dad was in the Navy so I grew up around Marines and shit so i know a few things....though I've been in ROTC...if it wasn't for the fact that I hate this country I would join the military

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 3:53 am on April 5, 2002
well im skilled at making explosives, so they dont blow up in my face...anymore, i had my eyebrows burned off a few times tho:) but ya i can make things ranging from rockets to napalm, i dont wanna get into too much detail for obviose reasons


napalm? Wow. I wish I knew how....I can only make cocktails..Though I suppose I could make a makshift flame thrower from some wd-40 a super soker a lighter and a flat peice of metal to keep the plastic from melting

[RedRevolutionary87]

not a bad idea, only watch out if you fill it with gasoline it might disolve the plastic gun

[Lardlad95]

yeah thats why I plan to use wd-40 as the fuel, its just as good as gasoline but wont dissolve the gun. PLus I plan to wrap the metal around the nozzle to keep it from meltng

[CheGuevara]

You guys are so full of bullshit. You sound like a bunch of 5th graders talking about weapons. If you try to make your super-soaker flame thrower(just look at that phrase and you'll piss your pants laughing) you'll probably end up on fire.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from CheGuevara on 5:14 am on April 5, 2002
You guys are so full of bullshit. You sound like a bunch of 5th graders talking about weapons. If you try to make your super-soaker flame thrower(just look at that phrase and you'll piss your pants laughing) you'll probably end up on fire.

yeah your probably right. Its just talk though. Stop taking every thing so seriously. You need to lighten up. My God I can't say one thing with out you trying to piss me off or whatever it is your trying to do. Christ, what is so wrong about just talking? You are way to tense man.

[Sasafrás]

You guys indeed are so full of bullshit. In fact, I don't see how CheGuevara could take any of this seriously. CheGuevara & Lardlad95, what are you guys, like, sixteen and fourteen? (I know I'm only 17 myself, but I'm not posting anything ridiculous like that anyway)

True, it is foolish to discuss 'battle plans' on a public internet forum, but since all of it is bullshit anyway, I guess it doesn't matter. Hopefully, you don't end up like someone else in this community. (I assume that you know who I must be referring to). Be careful. You really should refrain from talking stupid on the internet...

I still respect you, however...

And, please respect fifth graders because we have a member here who is 11 and who I assume is actually in the fifth grade ;)

[Hayduke]

Sorry guys but I have to agree with Cheguevara......
We sounds like stalinssoldiers man

[Lardlad95]

ok, let me clear this up once and for all. I wasn't serious about any of this. I'm sorry for all the confusion. It was just small talk. I just asked a question is all. I'm not planning to take everything said here and formulate a plan to blow up Washington. Are we clear on this?

I apologize for even starting the thread. The whole makeshift flame thrower thing wasn't serious. It baffels me that anyone would take this seriosuly because I wasn't.

You guys are absolutly right, it is bullshit and bullshit shouldn't be taken seriosuly.

[munkey soup]

First off, I'd b all "what cappies?" and thyd be all "commie!" and then id scream "die!" and pull out two gatling guns, one in each hand

Id have my rambo bandanna on, shirt torn, bullets wissing past my head, spent cartridges falling at my feet. id be sputing marxist doctrine while tearing thru the cappie and fascist front lines. Shit, outta bullets, I drop the guns and pull out my trusty colt .45 auto, and start taking ut the generals.

[Lardlad95]

seee munkey suop has the right idea, none of its serious...unless you were serious....in which caseI apologize

[honest intellectual]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:43 pm on April 4, 2002
sure I'd love to see anarchist cook books.

download them here (http://www.anarchistcookbook.net/download.htm)
I tried e-mailing them, but they were too big. (And i think LardLad is an undercover CIA agent, so I don't want to give him my e-mail address. But don't tell him I'm on to him)
Unfortunatly*, it's a porn site and they come packaged with some porn

*I think sabre will disagree

[Valkyrie]

Hey, there's a lot of constructive things you can do right now -- like squat a building for the homeless, (you'll some paint, and some other tools, plant a community garden (you'll need a couple packages of seeds for that) You can make up some socialist fliers and hand them out at school (need some paper and copy machine for that one.) Some other things: start a student's union; like Comrade Kamo is doing, donate some clothing and other shit you don't need or have too much of, you can create a socialist zine, lead-off a boycott, stand on the street with a cardboard sign and protest something.... I'm sure you can thing of a bunch of other things to do too.



(Edited by Paris at 8:43 am on April 6, 2002)

[deadpool 52]

not necassarily(Sp?) I sure as hell can't make any bomb besides a cocktail but some people know how


ever worked with gun powder? One spark and you could blow yourself up.

I was not talking about Maliktov Cocktails.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from honest intellectual on 2:23 am on April 6, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:43 pm on April 4, 2002
sure I'd love to see anarchist cook books.

download them here (http://www.anarchistcookbook.net/download.htm)
I tried e-mailing them, but they were too big. (And i think LardLad is an undercover CIA agent, so I don't want to give him my e-mail address. But don't tell him I'm on to him)
Unfortunatly*, it's a porn site and they come packaged with some porn

*I think sabre will disagree



undercover CIA agent thats ridiculous

(Lardlad's eyes shift as he prints out CHe Lives Message Board threads and put them ina CIA file)

[Maaja]

I can't understand why you all want to be leaders and generals. Revolution if for the whole world, for the simple people. It's not about being THE GENERAL, it's about being a part of it. About fighting and winning. Only the best can be the general and it's not important will YOU or HIM be it, but THE GENERAL should be the best.
If I would participate on the revolution then I would be a simple fighter. They are the real force of the revolution, revolution is for them!

[RedRevolutionary87]

the thing is maaja that not every1 is physicaly strong, some people are better at devising strategy than actualy fighting, some people cant shoot well, but know how to set explosives, or fix machinery, so we need to use the best of what people have to offer, i wouldnt use the world general because everyone is equal in the revolution. just remember its from all acording to their abilities..

[libereco]

Can I be the Leader that gets to tell everyone what to do, trick others into following him, kill off any opposition within the revolution and betray the revolution afterwards?

you guys are silly...i don't know what else to say about this.

[flames of the flag]

okay shut up about how stupid this is xcause by now we all know that so im just gonna play along
would there be any position for a pyromaniac who just burns enemy buildings and stuff like that? Last night i made a blow torch out of a can.
I geuss i could be a fighter, im in not to bad shape from dodging mall-security in the fascit fortress

[TheDerminator]

Can just imagine, what Imperial Power thinks he will be doing come the time of the revolution...

Pushing up the daisies!

Seems to me, if U put this lot together, U could defeat a small group of well armed smurfs!

Yep, that good!

I'll crack the jokes!

Be afraid, be very afraid...

Resistance is Futile!

May the Force be with U!

derminated

(Edited by TheDerminator at 6:40 pm on April 7, 2002)

[Maaja]

RedRevolutionary87, by saying a *simple fighter* I didn't mean actually somebody with gun who is physically strong and who is only able to shoot. Maybe I used the wrong word or anything but... I consider also people who are able to use explosives, who know the stategy etc. And I don't forget intellectuals. By the way, I guess that everybody can think and express his/her ideas freely. Just that it's ridiculous how most of the people want to become straight THE LEADER.

[munkey soup]

Damn smurfs

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from TheDerminator on 6:39 pm on April 7, 2002
Can just imagine, what Imperial Power thinks he will be doing come the time of the revolution...

Pushing up the daisies!

Seems to me, if U put this lot together, U could defeat a small group of well armed smurfs!

Yep, that good!

I'll crack the jokes!

Be afraid, be very afraid...

Resistance is Futile!

May the Force be with U!

derminated

(Edited by TheDerminator at 6:40 pm on April 7, 2002)



smurfs? really? you have a lot of confidence in us...I was gonna say muppets, but honest to God smurfs? We wont let you down sir.

[Nateddi]

In america there are already militias.

Not communist ones, but right-wing 2nd ammendment militias. Be afraid.

[RedRevolutionary87]

lol aka hicks with shotguns

[CheGuevara]

They have no dedication. THey have simply chosen to buy some guns and spew shit out of their mouths. They're a bunch of fatasses. In the revolution, we'll sweep them aside as soon as they pop up.

[RedRevolutionary87]

we have to think of the revolution as a step in evolution, those who do not evolve will be swept away and die off, either in the revolution itself or afterwards, im not saying executed, its just that they wont be able to use the capitalist way of production and therefor wont be able to make a living, again darwins theory can be aplied almost anywhere

[Lardlad95]

what if your families don't want to be socialist? Would you kill them...though I'm sure lots would make the decision to join. But there lies the problem. People who truly aren't committed will eventualy break down the system.

So would you kill your family in that case? I know for one my brother would join, he used to be socialst so it would be easy for him. But i'm not sure about the rest of my family.

[RedRevolutionary87]

there would be no need to kill them, the system will, they simply wont be able to survive, i think if you read darwin it would help you understand. they dont have to beliave in what they are doing, but they will simply not be able tomake a living in the capitalist fasion, so they will have to adopt the communist one to survive, just like we today need to adopt the capitalist one today, its simple evolution, even tho it is social and not biological it is still evolution.

[Lardlad95]

makes sense. Survival of the fittest, either adapt or perish. Makes sense...great arguement to use against capitalist who ask why I live in a capitalist country.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:48 pm on April 8, 2002
what if your families don't want to be socialist? Would you kill them...though I'm sure lots would make the decision to join. But there lies the problem. People who truly aren't committed will eventualy break down the system.

So would you kill your family in that case? I know for one my brother would join, he used to be socialst so it would be easy for him. But i'm not sure about the rest of my family.
I don't live in a socialist country, but no one's killed me yet. It's very rare that a family would engage in internal armed combat, especially in this day and age. What are you smoking? That's insane.

How would you decide if someone was "truly committed" to the system? Most countries' systems change constantly. The USSR would, at any point, be headed slowly more towards a command or market system. No country is purely capitalist or communist. And what about the United States? It was a lot different from the Industrial Revolution in the 1960's.

My parents wouldn't fight because--get this--they're old. They're both socialists, but they wouldn't fight because they're not physically fit. My mother works in a pet store, for crying out loud! I think you need to draw the line between a citizen who would support the system grudgingly and a citizen who would actively try to break it down and you need to distinguish between a person who would try to crush your rebellion and someone who wouldn't.

[MJM]

. My mother works in a pet store, for crying out loud!

She could supply attack dogs!

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from I Will Deny You on 6:18 am on April 9, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:48 pm on April 8, 2002
what if your families don't want to be socialist? Would you kill them...though I'm sure lots would make the decision to join. But there lies the problem. People who truly aren't committed will eventualy break down the system.

So would you kill your family in that case? I know for one my brother would join, he used to be socialst so it would be easy for him. But i'm not sure about the rest of my family.
I don't live in a socialist country, but no one's killed me yet. It's very rare that a family would engage in internal armed combat, especially in this day and age. What are you smoking? That's insane.

How would you decide if someone was "truly committed" to the system? Most countries' systems change constantly. The USSR would, at any point, be headed slowly more towards a command or market system. No country is purely capitalist or communist. And what about the United States? It was a lot different from the Industrial Revolution in the 1960's.

My parents wouldn't fight because--get this--they're old. They're both socialists, but they wouldn't fight because they're not physically fit. My mother works in a pet store, for crying out loud! I think you need to draw the line between a citizen who would support the system grudgingly and a citizen who would actively try to break it down and you need to distinguish between a person who would try to crush your rebellion and someone who wouldn't.


my statement was purley in response to someone saying that people will either except the change or persih. Perhaps I miss read the comment.

A better question would be in the revolution if your brother was in the army would you kill him?

Your right about the people who want to stop the revolution and those who simply don't care

[RedRevolutionary87]

its not amatter of loyalty, those who ty to kill you will be killed and those who dont care will live with the system, those who let the revolution happen and try to use a capitalist system in a communist state will not be able to do so, since they wont have any property to begina capitalist means of production, i hope you guys didnt get the idea that i was talking about execution of "those not loyal to the socialist system" as the ussr did

[kingbee]

Quote: from MJM on 6:21 am on April 9, 2002

. My mother works in a pet store, for crying out loud!

She could supply attack dogs!


LOL

this sounds almost the same as me and my mates convo bout takin over the world (we storm the pentagon, then the us capitulates, then we take over the rest of the world. ive reserved africa as my continent)- its childish! i suppose it would gain publicity though, something the far left needs

[Lardlad95]

Damn it, I wanted Africa...fine I get Asia.....can I also have like Kenya or something....in return I'll give you Nepal

[RedRevolutionary87]

lol sounds like a game of risk!

[Lardlad95]

Risk? Wow thats exactly were I got my revolution and war fare ideas from...though it may be a bad idea to use them...I've lost 36 consecutive games of risk...and I still get asia and kenya

[honest intellectual]

Quote: from kingbee on 10:39 pm on April 9, 2002

this sounds almost the same as me and my mates convo bout takin over the world (we storm the pentagon, then the us capitulates, then we take over the rest of the world. ive reserved africa as my continent)- its childish! i suppose it would gain publicity though, something the far left needs

Yup, I think taking over the world would get you a wee bit o' publicity

[RedRevolutionary87]

lol lard...but riski is imperialist?!?! oh well, im great at that game, it help for strategy, even tho thats conventional warfare strategy which is almost the complete oposite of guerilla warfare

[Lardlad95]

Yes Risk is imperialst...and i lost on purpose to stop imperialism....yeah thats right

[Guest]

I'm no expert on guerilla warfare but i doubt any of you would have any idea how to fight once you got into the real thing...but...niether would the opponents most likely :)...

[PunkRawker677]

if the passion is there, then you will act when needed. And i believe some of us have combat experience, and im sure some of us have experience with certain firearms.. such as rifles and hand guns.. not the same as a machine gun, but with sufficient training and preperation... the passionate could fight.. the weak would freeze up and die...

[honest intellectual]

guest, if we joined a guerilla movement, we'd get trained before being sent out to fight. Anyway the point is that the passion is there

[Lardlad95]

personally I think guns are bullshit. I would give almost anything for it to be the way it once was, when you actualy went to a battle feild with a sword, axe, hammer, bladed battle staff In your hand. And you actualy fought.YOu could see your oppenat. You had to actualy over come the other man's stength to survive. You earned your right to walk off that battle feild alive.

Not to discredit guns but all honor in war died when gunpowder was invented

[RedRevolutionary87]

guns are harder to use than a sword, being percise is hard, plus blades are too messy

[Anarcho]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:40 pm on April 11, 2002
personally I think guns are bullshit. I would give almost anything for it to be the way it once was, when you actualy went to a battle feild with a sword, axe, hammer, bladed battle staff In your hand. And you actualy fought.YOu could see your oppenat. You had to actualy over come the other man's stength to survive. You earned your right to walk off that battle feild alive.

Not to discredit guns but all honor in war died when gunpowder was invented


Lardlad- very few folks used axes, no nobody used hammers.... the only exception of course is in the various polearms that came into fashion during the 100 Years War.

Medieval warfare had nothing to do with honor, it had little to do with tactics.

[munkey soup]

And as for earning the right to walk off the battle field, you would've probably been killed since casualities were much greater way back when.

[RedRevolutionary87]

plus fire is much more fun lol

fire fire! FIRE! hehehe

[Lardlad95]

never heard of a war hammer? Few people used them but they were used. Also in ancient times lots of people used axes.

who said I said medevil warfare? People used blades prior to medevil times.Screw tatcis. You actualy had to survive battle with bladed weapons. Since casualties were hired you needed to thnk quick on your feet.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 1:26 am on April 12, 2002
guns are harder to use than a sword, being percise is hard, plus blades are too messy


Who needs to be precise with a gun? If you have a shot gun pointed in the general area of someones body chances are you are going to hit them. Sure swords were simple, but it was your skill against someone elses.

I know everyone is gonna beat me up about this but gns are coward's weapons. Anyone can shoot someone from across a room, but to actualy fight an opponant is different. Go up to someone and beat there ass, don't shoot them. THats the problem today. Settling desputes is as simple as pullin a 9mm out and pulling a trigger. Why can't it be that if you have an arguement, you actualy fight instead of offin' someone with out even proving you could beat them. With a gun all your saying is when it comes down to it I'm not able to kick your ass like a man, I have to pull out a gun and shoot you before you get a chance to kick my ass.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from munkey soup on 6:30 pm on April 12, 2002
And as for earning the right to walk off the battle field, you would've probably been killed since casualities were much greater way back when.


but when you did walk off the battle feild alive you proved you were better than your advisary. You proved when it came to blows you could kick his ass, not the other way around.

[CheGuevara]

Or you proved that you could kick him in the groin faster, or your buddy could run up and stab him in the back first, or that your spear was longer, or....

The best man doesn't always walk off the field in war, regardless of what weapons they are using....

[Fires of History]

Well said CheGuevara,

The only way to assess who is the 'better' warrior would be to isolate the two combatants alone, with the same exact weapons.

There are a million other factors in war. And, no, the 'best man' doesn't always come home.

[TheDerminator]

The Smurfs are in big trouble!

Resistance is Futile!

derminated

[honest intellectual]

Any bloody fool can pull a trigger - Enter the dragon

[kingbee]

Quote: from honest intellectual on 8:44 pm on April 10, 2002

Quote: from kingbee on 10:39 pm on April 9, 2002

this sounds almost the same as me and my mates convo bout takin over the world (we storm the pentagon, then the us capitulates, then we take over the rest of the world. ive reserved africa as my continent)- its childish! i suppose it would gain publicity though, something the far left needs

Yup, I think taking over the world would get you a wee bit o' publicity




lol. not quite wot i meant-
i meant their planned skirmish would bring a bit of publicity- or create some anti commie hysteria

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Fires of History on 12:12 pm on April 13, 2002
Well said CheGuevara,

The only way to assess who is the 'better' warrior would be to isolate the two combatants alone, with the same exact weapons.

There are a million other factors in war. And, no, the 'best man' doesn't always come home.


The better man did win because he killed the other guy. If the other guy was better he wouldn't be in a pile of dead bodies.

[RedRevolutionary87]

then the same could be sed when using guns, and no the best man doesnt walk off, because some people are pitted against people way better than they, there are many other factors in war

[Lardlad95]

yes there are many other factors, but its survival of the fittest. If you kill the guy before he kills you then you have survived. Strength and fighting skill are only two factors, those who can survive battle have beaten those who are simply strong

[honest intellectual]

Have you heard of the Boxer Rebellion in China in the 1830s (i think)? There were all these crazy mongol fuckers who started an unarmed rebellion against the Japanese coz they thought their mystical powers made them invincible to bullets.
didn't though

PS; All hail sub-commandante H.I. this is my 300th post

[CheGuevara]

The Boxer Rebellion was rebelling against the western powers, not the Japanese, although the Chinese had fought a war against the Japanese in Korea around 5 years earlier.

[MattTheKat]

This sort of discussion of "I would be a thief" is incredibly inane and makes world matters sound like a video game. It makes you sound incredibly stupid and eager only for violence and imagined glory. The wise will say that war isn't glorious. Everyone is made to look rather immature on this thread.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from CheGuevara on 8:54 pm on April 14, 2002
The Boxer Rebellion was rebelling against the western powers, not the Japanese, although the Chinese had fought a war against the Japanese in Korea around 5 years earlier.


I read something about it, but it was in fifth grade history so I probably didn't get the real story. I thought it was against Western People a;so...weren't there like missionaries that were trying to convert the people? Or was that something else.

Or did it have something to do with America, Britain and some other countries dividing up the country.

I apologize for my ignorance, I haven't read about it in years.

[RedRevolutionary87]

ok there is nothing i hate more than anal people who take everything too seriosly!(take the pickle out of your ass) this thread is nothing serios anyone who takes it seriosly is not very intellegent, most of us here are in the early grades of high school, therefore we are children, and we have some thing called imaginations, so dont try and force people to grow up to quickly and make it seem like a horrible thing to joke around

[Lardlad95]

well said

[CheGuevara]

No need to be sorry, I was just adding historical information of dubious importance. If you asked most people, they probably wouldn't even know where the Boxer Rebellion took place, thanks to the quality American education system.

[munkey soup]

No shit, CheG. Ya wanna know how I first learned of the Boxer Rebellion, from that godawful movie with...Moses....whats his friggin name.....NRA-man....."Get your stinkin paws off me, you damn dirty apes!".....ARGHHH, whats his name!!!!

[Lardlad95]

Che, I agree they don't teach shit here. We need to learn world history, true history, not watered down history loaded with Patriotism and US Propaganda bullshit


Munkey Soup, that movie was one of the greatest movies I've ever seen all five of them. Especially since it had underlying political messages.

Planet of the Apes, hidden message: wrongs of racism and how Religous Zealots are far to consevative

Beneath the PLanet of the Apes: wrongs of war (alot of it had to do with Vietnam)

Escape From the PLanet of the Apes: prejudice's wrongs and how the US hides the truth

Conquest of The planet of The Apes: rebellion against opression

Battle For the PLanet of the Apes: tolerance of different people

[munkey soup]

The moivie wasn't Planet of the Apes. It was about the Boxer Rebellion, I forgot the name of it.

And the guys name is Charleton Heston, thanks for someone telling me.....worthless bastards!!!! :)

[Lardlad95]

oh, cuz you said the damn dirty ape thing and I assumed you meant that movie, I didn't know you literally meant the goings on the boxer rebellion, I thought you meant based off of it...which PLanet of THe Apes wasn't but since alot of political shit went down in that movie you can see where I got confused

[Kez]

Ok, my job in the revolution would be to control the liberated lands and get them running properly.

Also give out bagels to soldiers

hmmmmmmm bagels
especially the sesame seed bagels hmmmmmm oh yeah, and the cinnamon and raisin ones mmmmmmmm

[RGacky3]

you could'nt use me for much I'm only 15, I am very good at sneakign around though and sneaking up on people, with a knife I could probably kill a few cappies, but if they saw me I would be dead, even if they had no weapons I'm not very strong, but their does'nt need to be a revolution, we could just vote in a communist government, but if that does'nt work a revolution is a must. I could make militia industial to spur on the fighters and make them angry and want to fight

[BOZG]

I'll be on the frontline, with my gun in my hand.

[RGacky3]

I really hope a revolution starts soon, someone should come up with something

[CheGuevara]

Yeah, we could just vote in a communist government. Hahahaha, good one.

[RedRevolutionary87]

lol ya dude the company owners wont just give up their money because theyre government says so...theyll purchase mercinaries and kill you, its called counter revolution. so its nice to come to power with an armed revolution that way you stand more of a chance at success

[Lardlad95]

yeeah thats true....THough I suppose if we arrested them all. But then again they would higer mercanaries....yeah we should kill them if they don't cooperate. Personally I wouldn't mind letting them continue running the companies (cuz I don't wanna do it) as long as the workers co ran it.