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insurgent
13th February 2007, 01:21
DiggerII and I have been talking about why the left is so unorganized, or at least seems that way.

I see a lot of talking going on, but when it comes to action I see very little. I'm not saying that they never put their words into action, there have been countless examples of the left coming together and putting words into action, but the things that I have been involved in are very unorganized.


Zinn said it well in A Peoples History,



These rebellions, so far, have been contained. The American system is the most ingenious system of control in world history. With a country so rich in natural resources, talent, and labor power the system can afford to distribute just enough wealth to just enough people to limit discontent to a troublesome minority. It is a country so powerful, so big, so pleasing to so many of its citizens that it can afford to give freedom of dissent to the small number who are not pleased.

There is no system...that disperses its controls more complexley through the voting system, the work situation, the church, the family, the school, the mass media - none more successful in mollyfying opposition with reforms, isolating people from one another, creating patriotic loyalty.

One percent of the nation owns a third of the wealth. The rest of the wealth is distributed in such a way as to turn those 99 percent against one another: small property owners against the propertyless, black against white, native-born against foreign-born, intellectuals and professionals against the uneducated and unskilled. These groups have resented one another and warred against one another with such vehemence and violence as to obscure their common position as sharers of leftovers in a very wealthy country.


At my high school for instance, we have an amnesty club and they have not done anything since it first started at the school. I'm also in the green club, and they have not done much either. I realize that the school is very conservative and there are only a handful of left minded thinkers (student body and administration), but every time we get together to organize something, nothing happens.

I see all sorts of stuff on the internet about things one can do, but never actually see anyone doing them. I agree with what Zinn said though, we are pitted against each other purposfully so that we are never able to actually come together as a majority and get something done.

Zinn...


To emphasize the commonality of the 99 percent, to declare deep enmity of the interest with the one percent, is to do exactly what the governments of the United States, and the wealthy elite allied to them - from the founding fathers to now - have tried their best to prevent. Madison feared a "majority faction" and hoped the new constitution would control it. He and his colleagues began the preamble to the constitution with the words "we the people..." pretending that the new government stood for everyone, and hoping that this myth, accepted as fact, would ensure "domestic tranquility."


I'm just curious about all of your thoughts on the matter.

DiggerII
13th February 2007, 01:28
lol while i agree, i think i'll play devil's advocate. :D

is it not a good thing that the U.S. gives a basic living to most of it's people? I mean that top one percent must work uber hard no? lol

It'd be very difficult to provide everything for everyone would it not?

Perhaps the lack of dissent is more a testament to this great nation.


NOW FOR MY TRUE FEELINGS.

if you ask me, the U.S. has devised the most brilliant form of tyrrany ever. it's no question that our nation has carried out some of the most ruthless imperialistic ventures of all time, and for what? The truth is that Americans enjoy the luxuries given to them by such ventures. In my mind, the glorious lifestyle given to Americans comes at the expense of labor and innocent lives overseas. What better way to bath in riches when all you have to deal with is the cry of foreign peasants while those at home who actually have the intelligent capacity for thought are few and far between.

The Anarchist Prince
13th February 2007, 01:37
Americans fear change. Plain and simple. And sadly, the current generation seems to lack views on alot of things, such as amendments, and what the constitution USED to stand for. The only thing that will change this country is a political revelation, not Democrats taking back the White House, and doing many of the same things they preach against. It may be a step in the right direction, but 1 step only gets you so close to the finish line.

insurgent
13th February 2007, 01:43
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 05:28 pm




is it not a good thing that the U.S. gives a basic living to most of it's people? I mean that top one percent must work uber hard no? lol

lol indeed. Yes the fat lazy asshole CEO's that make more in a day than the average worker makes in a year are working uber hard. Same with all the Paris Hilton's, they've worked hella hard too. Bill gates, I will admit, has worked very hard to screw over the competition (by screwing over peoples lives) and dominate the market. :lol:


It'd be very difficult to provide everything for everyone would it not?

To provide everything to everyone would be impossible. But it is not impossible for everyone to live a comfortable life, free from oppression and exploitation. 99 percent owning 2/3 is bullshit. percent owning 1/3 is super bullshit. It could be much more equal.


Perhaps the lack of dissent is more a testament to this great nation.


Oh but there is dissent. And the only reason 99 percent arent dissenting is because they are bombarded with the media and are patriotic and follow all the stupid ass american dream crap. "common sharers of the leftovers of a very wealthy country." They dont realize thesituation obviously.



if you ask me, the U.S. has devised the most brilliant form of tyrrany ever. it's no question that our nation has carried out some of the most ruthless imperialistic ventures of all time, and for what? The truth is that Americans enjoy the luxuries given to them by such ventures. In my mind, the glorious lifestyle given to Americans comes at the expense of labor and innocent lives overseas. What better way to bath in riches when all you have to deal with is the cry of foreign peasants while those at home who actually have the intelligent capacity for thought are few and far between.

Thats more like it my friend. I agree.


How about what you said about the left being unorganized?


The top one percent are few in number. It is much easier to organize a few like minded people. The 99 percent at the bottom have a lot of varying political viewpoints and make up a huge number of people. It would be impossible to unite the bottom 99.

I dont know what percent of the US is "left" but there has to be a way to get them into one party or something.

Raúl Duke
13th February 2007, 10:50
I think I heard that the capitalist class aims at seperating the people so that they would never pose a threat.

In a way, the social order does seperate people, yet at other things it unites them.

For example, when it comes to patriotism they aim to unite; but basically the stuff that the social order wants people to unite under are illusions and empty promises like patriotism which only benefits the capitalist class.
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Well, one reason why the left might be "unorganized" is because its not a major movement; side of political spectrum, especially in the US (and maybe for appearing to be unorganized it "put off" some people; also the media plays a role in discrediting it)

Another reason is the different factions that compete for more prominence than the other leftist faction.
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In society, especially societies like the US capitalist republic, to control the public you must use subtle means.

Like education, the media, etc (the ones I mention being very important)

So I do agree with DiggerII, about the US being a brilliant form of tyranny, but this is through the subtle controls of public opinions, etc through media, education, etc
You could read about media control from Noam Chomsky's books on the subject. I recommend Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda if you want a short book about it. When it comes to education, I really don't know any leftist that wrote a book about it (however I do have a small essay that studies education in a marxian view) but you could try looking up John Taylor Gatto. Also there is information in this site; you just have to search.