soviets

[kingbee]

a soviet, according to trotsky- " an embryo of a revolutionary goverment. it organises a free press, it organises street patrols to secure the safety of the citizens. it takes over the post offices, the railroads". the workers elect the leader, and sack if he/she does not do what they want. did this happen in the ussr? in my opinion, the ussr was to centralized. you can never go from extreme, authotarianism, to pure communism. it was too rigid, and thats the problem with the "communist" goverments. wouldnt it be nice to have a free, democratic, soviet country?

[peaccenicked]

http://www.sinistra.net/lib/pre/soviet/bee...beeaabezue.html (http://www.sinistra.net/lib/pre/soviet/beea/beeaabezue.html)
On the proposals for Soviets in Italy

[Kingnothing]

I agrre with you. I think after the death of Lenin and particularly after 1929 when Stalin was under complete politcal control over the soviet union, it abandoned tha path of communsim which seks freedom for all. The soviets where a real form of communism. Stalin became a totalitarianist and removed all power from the soviets and placed it into his hands. This destroyed the basics of the russian revolution.

[kingbee]

thanx mate someone agrees- you also seem to gain inspiration for your name from mine.

[Kingnothing]

jeje.. no need to thank.. waht you said makes perfect sense... but as regards the name..mine is just a song from mettalica and plus i justed liked it.. anyways i´m drifting from the issue... Waht i really wanted to ask is seeing that you have quoted trotsky y guees youve read some of his works.. i just wanted to ask waht you would recommend of trotskies work?

[Guest]

collectivization, and the creation of the CHeka, the soviet secret political police, began under lenin.

[kingbee]

i got introducing trotsky- thats all. i usually get loads of good material from my dad (ho chi minh, lenin , mao), but in this case hes a stalinist- oops!

[Nateddi]

Quote: from Guest on 1:56 am on April 5, 2002
collectivization, and the creation of the CHeka, the soviet secret political police, began under lenin.


Capitalist guest. The rules apply to guests too. If you don't want to register, you still need to keep your ass in the SvC barn.

[new democracy]

lenin crashed the soviets!!!!

[Ymir]

I do not have a source for this but I believe the Cheka and secret police forces were used by the Tsar.

[Ymir]

Although I am not denying the usage of them in Lenins time.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Ivan the Terrible created his own secret police, the "oprichnika" or something along those lines.

[Ian]

The Oshkrana a tsarist secret police, which Tsar Nicolas created at about the turn of the centruy (actually I have no idea when they were made so I will do a Heroditus and fictionalise;)), were much, much worse than the Cheka. If you don't believe me check out the 1905 Bloody Sunday massacre in which tsarist troops including Oshkrana officers opened fire on their fellows citizens killing innocents. But the Cheka did nothing like that, and if you say Cheka is SMERSH or Cheka is NKVD or Cheka is KGB you are wrong, they were totally different in that the Cheka was a legitimate police force than used proper methods, not torture and the like used by the afore-mentioned.
P.S. Collectivism is a good thing...

[James]

collectivization, and the creation of the CHeka, the soviet secret political police, began under lenin.

I thought that was an intresting post, so why the hostility nat?

Is he/she wrong then?