1984 Becoming a Reality

[The Anarchist Prince]

Scanners can detect "thought crime" (http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2007/090207BrainScanners.htm)


Some quotes:


"The technology is no longer science fiction. A team of neuroscientists has developed technology that allows them to look deep inside a person's brain and read their intentions before they act.

During tests, researchers were able to successfully predict the intentions of multiple subjects with 70% accuracy by scanning their brains using a technique called functional magnetic imaging resonance.

The study revealed signatures of activity in a small part of the brain called the medial prefrontal cortex that changed when a person took a choice to do something before carrying out the action."

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"We see the danger that this might become compulsory one day, but we have to be aware that if we prohibit it, we are also denying people who aren't going to commit any crime the possibility of proving their innocence." Professor Haynes at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences in Germany told the Guardian.

[welshred]

First the idea of putting x ray scanners in lamposts, now this what next? its a nother step towards the big brother state.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

People in Britain and America have been so nonchalant about all the excess security. That willingness to submit and comply is going to be their downfall.

[An archist]

Scientists are also working on a chip that might alter the moods of depressed people. I already saw a documentary where they could change a persons behavior an attitudes for a short while by using electromagnetic pulses.
Now that is scary

[The Anarchist Prince]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 11, 2007 08:51 pm
Scientists are also working on a chip that might alter the moods of depressed people. I already saw a documentary where they could change a persons behavior an attitudes for a short while by using electromagnetic pulses.
Now that is scary
As long as ONLY the person who has the chip in their body can control it, that's okay. But if it's a doctor or someone else, that IS scary.

[WP_Joel]

People are generally very apethetic towards any civil liberties taken away. However what scares me the most is not that they allow it, it's that most people disagree with their liberties being taken away however do nothing to remedy the situation.

[The Anarchist Prince]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 09:27 pm
People are generally very apethetic towards any civil liberties taken away. However what scares me the most is not that they allow it, it's that most people disagree with their liberties being taken away however do nothing to remedy the situation.
We were discussing 1984 in my AP English class, and kids were joking about telescreens and thoughcrime(All while I told them it was alot closer to reality then they believe) . Needless to say, I&#39;m taking this article in tommorow. Maybe it&#39;ll wake a couple people up. The rest will just say "It&#39;s needed to get the terrorists". <_<

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I think you have a point, WP_Joel.

[luxemburg89]

definetely. WP_Joel, you really sum up Britain there - on the whole most people indulge themselves in apathy.

[Coggeh]

well its no suprise an anarchist made this form lol .. only kidding . Y a ive heard alot about this too seems .... to radical but then again you never know , this should be watched closely .

[Janus]

Before jumping to conclusions on the implications to this, people must realize the technological benefits for disabled people and research in general. This technology should drive brain computer interface and create new methods for controlling artificial limbs,etc. With that said, there are obvious ethical problems concerning that we need to resolve concerning such technology even though it will still be a long time before this can reach "Minority Report" levels.

At the moment, it&#39;s still not advanced enough to be used in a true interrogation setting not only because it can still be duped like a lie detector (which it is very similar to) but also because the human brain is much more complex than that and it can&#39;t distinguish between passing thoughts and long-term ones.

[insurgent]

Anybody heard about the US National ID cards coming into effect May 2008?


There is quite a bit of info online about it, it was in the military spending bill awhile ago. They say it&#39;s a way to prevent terrorists from gaining entrace to the country. You have to have the card to enter any government building, fly on a plane and apparantly you have to carry it with you at all times. I&#39;m not sure about the consequences.




"let me see your card" :huh:

[Janus]

Anybody heard about the US National ID cards coming into effect May 2008?
It&#39;s not issuing actual ID cards as much as it is providing an ID standard that states must meet. Thus, it is providing more stringent ID requirements and a state shared database for it.

[insurgent]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 07:48 pm
It&#39;s not issuing actual ID cards as much as it is providing an ID standard that states must meet. Thus, it is providing more stringent ID requirements and a state shared database for it.

I want to read the actual bill but cant find it. I read a lot of stuff on it though, and I thought they were going to be actual cards. I also saw some shit about microchips being in the cards to track people :lol:

There are so many differing viewpoints on the bill I think the only way to understand them is to actually go find it. But for some reason I can&#39;t... <_<

[StartToday]

We should destroy all of these microchips and thought scanners and whatnot while we still can. Otherwise, we&#39;ll have to wait until they get around to inventing Terminators, so that we can send one back in time to destroy the microchips and thought scanners and stuff. ;)

[Kamraten]

Oh but you see the humanbeing doesnt repent until the waters is above his nose.
All over the world the 1984 orwell society is growing and taking place, but we all knew this would happen we been warned many times, but still we let it happen.
The reason why people are accepting this is becouse the fear from terrorism, the war on terror is what i said many times before, a war on liberty home and abroad, all over the globe, the western people is the main target. Its us they want to enslave and so they are doing, while people wander around in fear of the big terrorism army wich US has given birth too. It will not end, they want to chip every each one of you they are even admiting it. And they will not settle with that. And fear is the ultimate tool every facism dictatorship use it and it will make people beg for a chip themself. Sacrifice liberty to defend their liberty hehe. In sweden we have a saying wich they use all of the time and its their only argument:" if you have clean flour you have nothing to worry about" and ofcourse my favourit "its for your safety&#33;" haha.

its a fuckt up world and it will get worse.

[Edit] Oh yeah, 1984 becoming a reality?, have you been to london? it is reality.

[Janus]

and I thought they were going to be actual cards.
This new act will probably delay any actual national ID card system for a while.


We should destroy all of these microchips and thought scanners and whatnot while we still can.
Why stop there? We should destroy all technology while we&#39;re at it. <_<

[insurgent]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 01:02 pm
This new act will probably delay any actual national ID card system for a while.


Why?

[colorlessman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 09:02 pm

Why stop there? We should destroy all technology while we&#39;re at it.
Well about 85% of technology is useless, oppressive and exploitative.

[Janus]

Why?
With these new standards, it&#39;ll probably be some time before an actual ID bill will be passed.


Well about 85% of technology is useless, oppressive and exploitative.
Technology oppressive and exploitative? What kind of primitivist propaganda is this and where did you dig up that figure?

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[Sentinel]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Prince+February 11, 2007 10:14 pm--> (The Anarchist Prince &#064; February 11, 2007 10:14 pm)
An [email protected] 11, 2007 08:51 pm
Scientists are also working on a chip that might alter the moods of depressed people. I already saw a documentary where they could change a persons behavior an attitudes for a short while by using electromagnetic pulses.
Now that is scary
As long as ONLY the person who has the chip in their body can control it, that&#39;s okay. But if it&#39;s a doctor or someone else, that IS scary.[/b]
Agreed. Depressions destroy lives and there is no reason we shouldn&#39;t fight them as relentlessly as ailments traditionally counted as &#39;physical&#39;. Therapy doesn&#39;t work for everyone, neither does medication. Material living conditions don&#39;t have to have anything to do with it either.

So a chip against depression might be the difference between a miserable life and a happy one to some. It&#39;s with this like it&#39;s like with all technology -- dangerous if in the hands of the class enemy. In reactionary times progress can understandably seem scary.

But obviously the citizens of a communist society wouldn&#39;t use this technology to control each other for oppressive reasons. My position is generally that we must be extremely careful not to get into a panic over technological progress and support it even before the revolution, while opposing capitalism -- as i&#39;m convinced that technological development goes hand in hand with that of the society.

Due to it conditions and freedoms are unfortunately bound to decrease for the workers during capitalism. But it will also widen the rift and increase the tensions between the classes and thus seal capitalism&#39;s fate as an obsolete system -- while at the same time creating the conditions for a communist society, which must be both hightech and abundant to deliver what it&#39;s supposed to.

Considering the intention reading technology which is the original topic or chips to actually directly control people I&#39;m not as sure at all though. I would hate to have capitalists literally rooting in my brain.. As much as attempts to do so by the ruling class might very well be the final drop to make the proletariat rise, if I just could prevent the cappies getting their hands on this kind of tech I would do anything in my power to. As a matter of self defense, being a worker..

[Sentinel]

Thread moved to Sciences and Environment.


Originally posted by colorlessman
Well about 85% of technology is useless, oppressive and exploitative.

Care to elabore on this? As Janus pointed out, that statement does indeed sound a wee little bit primitivisty. How, why and which kinds of technology are these things, according to you..? :)