What about Elijah Mumamad

[UndergroundConnexion]

What do y'all think aboout Eljiah Mohamed, as a paerson and ideas. I think it is stil pretty vague after research, what kind of person he was, mainly because he once had a dialogue with american nazi party or something? Why was this?

[Louis Pio]

Don't know much about american muslims. But wasn't elijah muhammad a rather rightwing muslim leader who Malcom X broke with when x moved towards an anti-capitalist stand?
Btw X family seems to think muhammad was involved in X assasination.

[SanPatricio'sSoul]

He helped in the murder of the man who built up his organization. Essentially Elijah Muhammed built a cult around himself, and called for racial seperation. He didn't actually do anything because the Nation of Islam had a policy of non-engagement. So not in any way friendly to a leftist.

[UndergroundConnexion]

Yet he did influence Malcolm X a lot.
Yet what I find the most deranging is the american nazi party issue

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 01:12 pm
Yet he did influence Malcolm X a lot.

Yeah. Then when Malcolm X broke with his organizaiton and the most rotten parts of its ideology - he had Malcolm X harassed and killed.

The Nation of Islam under Farrakhan still adopts the same kind of thug approach to dissent. And it still tried to cozy up to white supremacists and other ultrarightists - Lyndon LaRouche has been invited to speak at its conferences. Farrakhan once gave an interview with the Spotlight, published by the fascist "Liberty Lobby", in which he said, basically: I understand why you don't want to live next to Black people, I wouldn't want to live next to most Black people myself.

The NOI's usually stood aside from the real fight for against white racism, whether it's the civil rights movement - one reason Malcolm X broke from it - or the fight to defend affirmative action today.

This shouldn't be "deranging" - there's a lot of similarities between the NOI and the various white supremacist groups. The NOI's concept of Black nationalism is based on Black business and the interests of Black businessmen. It holds typical far-right positions on a lot of political issues, from opposing women's equality to scapegoating Koreans and Jews.

The only difference is, the NOI is composed of Black people....it tries to represent Black businesspeople. This does produce some differences in how it acts, and how other far-right organizations act.

[Janus]

what kind of person he was
Black supremacist and a devout Muslim (though he did have unorthodox love affairs).

As for his Nazi connections, it seems that he allowed George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party to speak at a NOI meeting once since both groups were opposed to racial mixing.

[BreadBros]

Some points to make:
1. The Nation of Islam is not a political group, it is primarily a religious group.
2. The Nation of Islam is in no way progressive, it is in fact far-right.
3. The Nation of Islam has no connection to mainstream Islam, nor is it connected to it, its theological teachings involve various conspiracy theories, un-scientific views of race and human history and supposed revelatory "magical" teachings that are probably borrowed/distorted from Free-Masonry.

Its all hogwash and I can't believe people on the left still look towards them!

[UndergroundConnexion]

so what do y'all beleive of Muhamed Ali then, who is still , if I'm not mistaken, memeber of NOI

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 06:15 pm
so what do y'all beleive of Muhamed Ali then, who is still , if I'm not mistaken, memeber of NOI
As far as I know he never really took the esoteric mystical bullshit of the NOI to heart. Keep in mind he converted to mainstream Sunni Islam in 1975. However, he did stand up and refuse to go to Vietnam and fight an imperialist war as well as loudly countered racism wherever he encountered it. Overall I think Ali and Malcolm X share a common thread in relation to the NOI: they both joined it for its anti-racist political aspects and eventually refined their thoughts and left because of all the religious as well as conservative bullshit that the group peddles (which is even worse with the modern NOI which is in some ways an out-right black supremacist group). In conclusion, Muhammad Ali = the man, NOI = the suck.

[Janus]

so what do y'all beleive of Muhamed Ali then, who is still , if I'm not mistaken, memeber of NOI
Yes, but he dropped it and converted to orthodox Sunni Islam in 1975. Also, you have to analyze his membership in terms of the political climate of the time.