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Mikhail Frunze
11th February 2007, 06:39
China made history on Saturday by sending the first pair of passenger trains to the "roof of the world" along a miracle rail link between Tibet and the rest of the country.

The world was watching as two inaugural trains, coded "Qing 1" and "Tibet 2", pulled out of their stations in Golmud and Lhasa, two start-off points of the Qinghai-Tibet Railway, the world's highest.

Thousands of people dressed in festive costumes and speaking different dialects witnessed the historic moment at the two stations, shouting "Tashi Delek", a Tibetan expression meaning good fortune.

Before the trains started, Chinese President Hu Jintao cut ribbons to mark the launching of the railway, which he praised as a "miracle".

"The project is not only a magnificent feat in China's history of railway construction, but is also a great miracle of the world's railroad history," Hu, also general-secretary of the Chinese Communist Party Central Committee, told an audience of 2,600 on a square in front of the Golmud railway station.

Saturday coincides the 85th founding anniversary of the CPC, and three more trains left for Lhasa from Beijing, Chengdu and Xining in the evening. A dream comes true

By inaugurating the Qinghai-Tibet Railway, China has realized a centennial dream of Dr. Sun Yat-sen, the forerunner of China's democratic revolution, and has broken American train traveler Paul Theroux's prophesy that the Kunlun Range was "a guarantee that the railway will never get to Lhasa".

The Qinghai-Tibet railway stretches 1,956 km from Xining, capital of Qinghai Province, to Lhasa. The section of 814 km from Xining to Golmud began operation in 1984 and the Golmud-Lhasa section started construction on June 29, 2001.

The project is dubbed an "engineering marvel" because people used to think the perennial ice and slush along the route could never support tracks and trains.

"I never expected I could ever get on a train in my life," said Tibetan herder Tubdain Daqog, one of the 700 passengers on board the maiden train from Lhasa to Lanzhou, northwest China's Gansu Province, Saturday.

His hair is done into plaits with red ribbons, a festive hairdo for the Tibetans, "because today is a red-letter day," he told Xinhua in an interview.

"Now that trains are so available, I'll take my sons to the big cities for work," said the father of five children, the eldest of whom is 27.

Lama Cering from Jokhang Temple in Lhasa enjoyed every bit of scenery along the route and refused even to sit down. "I'd be happy to pay a pilgrim to the Ta'er Monastery when I arrive in Qinghai," he said.

Ta'er Monastery is one of the largest monasteries of the Yellow Sect of Tibetan Buddhism in memory of Tzongkaba (1357-1419), the founder of the Yellow Sect. Rewriting history

History was rewritten when "Tibet 2", the first train to leave Lhasa, passed the Tanggula Mountain Pass, 5,072 meters above sea level, at 5:38 p.m..

Located at the highest point of the railway, the Tanggula Mountain Pass has replaced Peru's Lima-Huancayo line, which reaches 4,800 meters, to hold the record of the world's highest railway.

Trains traveling across the roof of the world have extra oxygen pumped into the cabins to prevent passengers from suffering altitude sickness.

They cover hundreds of kilometers of permanently frozen ground, with state-of-the-art cooling methods used to ensure the rail line remains stable.

At a cost of 33 billion yuan (4.1 billion U.S. dollars), Chinese President Hu Jintao said the railway was an important part of China's historic efforts to modernize the country and further confirmation that the fast-developing nation was indisputably one of the world's great powers.

"This success again shows the hard working and wise people of China have the courage, confidence and ability to continue to create miracles," Hu said.

"We also have the courage, confidence and ability to stand among the advanced peoples of the world."

More than 1,300 years ago, ruler of ancient Tibet Songzan Gambo had to wait for three years for his bride, Princess Wencheng, to travel all the way from the inland areas. Today, Beijing is only 48 hours away. More than an economic boom

Ministry of Railways said the Qinghai-Tibet railway will carry 75 percent of all the inbound cargo into Tibet, cutting transportation costs and help double tourism revenues by 2010.

But experts say the railway means more than an economic boom in the region.

Refuting international concerns over a "cultural genocide" by an influx of the Han people, China's largest ethnic group, An Caidan, a Beijing-based expert on Tibetan studies, said the newly opened railway has in fact made room for the development of Tibetan culture.

"The Tibetans enjoy the right to seek development," he said. " The railway will lead Tibet to prosperity and present Tibetan culture to the world."

Huang Fukai, head of a Tibetan culture preservation society, believed the railway will change the locals' way of life. "They will keep to their traditional diet but will tuck into Western food and put on jeans, too."

But such changes, he said, are the irreversible trend of development of the human civilization, said Huang.

Besides the cultural concerns, environmentalists worry the railway might undermine the ecology on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau.

Addressing such concerns, the central government spent 1.5 billion yuan (about 180 million U.S. dollars) on environment conservation along the route, the largest amount in any single railway project in China.

"I do admire the Chinese government for that," said Italian sinologist Aldo Mignucci who is in Lhasa for a visit.

Before the train left Golmud, Chinese President Hu Jintao emphasized the importance of environmental protection on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau in a speech to mark the opening of the landmark railway.

"Railway workers and passengers traveling on the Qinghai-Tibet railway should consciously treasure waters and mountains as well as grass and woods on the Plateau, and they should help conserve the eco system and environment along the railway," Hu said.

The Chinese government is to build three more railway lines in Tibet as extensions of the newly-completed railway, which would link the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, with Nyingchi to the east, and Xigaze to the west, while the third will link Xigaze with Yadong, a major trading town on the China-India border.

The new lines would be built in 10 years, and increase Tibet's total railway length to more than 2,000 kilometers, says the Ministry of Railways.
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Janus
12th February 2007, 02:06
Typical stuff from the People's Daily really and somewhat of a bad translation with the whole "miracle" part. But all rhetoric aside, I think that this railway is going to be help lift Tibet out of its economic backwardness, a problem that the PRc has struggled to fix since the 1950's. But at the same time, it will increase Han hegemony within the area; something that will dissuade many Tibetan's positive feelings towards the railway.

RedStarOverChina
12th February 2007, 02:26
[bt at the same time, it will increase Han hegemony within the area; something that will dissuade many Tibetan's positive feelings towards the railway.[/b]

That's pretty much inevitable. Opening up will take a bit "getting used to" for conservative Tibetans but it has to be done.

Mikhail Frunze
12th February 2007, 03:49
But at the same time, it will increase Han hegemony within the area

Tibet is not an area preferrable for inhabitation. Due to this only a small minority of the Tibetan Autonomous Region are Han. And I favour migration within one single country. The Tibetans need the guidance of the Han to modernize their land. I want to see the demographics of the Tibetan Autonomous Region resemble those of Xinjiang.

Janus
12th February 2007, 20:58
Tibet is not an area preferrable for inhabitation. Due to this only a small minority of the Tibetan Autonomous Region are Han.
6 % is quite small at this point but that's only the percentage that actually live in Tibet rather than move back and forth. Of course, the Han population is rapidly changing as more and more Han move into Tibet for economic opportunities.

Cheung Mo
12th February 2007, 21:34
Originally posted by Mikhail [email protected] 12, 2007 03:49 am

But at the same time, it will increase Han hegemony within the area

Tibet is not an area preferrable for inhabitation. Due to this only a small minority of the Tibetan Autonomous Region are Han. And I favour migration within one single country. The Tibetans need the guidance of the Han to modernize their land. I want to see the demographics of the Tibetan Autonomous Region resemble those of Xinjiang.
rofl...The Spics need the guidance of the American to modernise their economy.

Phalanx
12th February 2007, 22:39
Originally posted by Mikhail [email protected] 12, 2007 03:49 am

But at the same time, it will increase Han hegemony within the area

Tibet is not an area preferrable for inhabitation. Due to this only a small minority of the Tibetan Autonomous Region are Han. And I favour migration within one single country. The Tibetans need the guidance of the Han to modernize their land. I want to see the demographics of the Tibetan Autonomous Region resemble those of Xinjiang.
Do you realize how racist you're being? By the way, China is not 'one single nation'. Xinjiang was invaded and Han were settled to prevent any attempts at self-determination, and China is attempting to do the same in Tibet.

Guerrilla22
12th February 2007, 23:59
Yay, China should be congratulated for developing the infrastructure in their own country, something they should be doing regardless. <_<

Mikhail Frunze
13th February 2007, 04:33
By the way, China is not &#39;one single nation&#39;. Xinjiang was invaded and Han were settled to prevent any attempts at self-determination

The Han are a nation as are the Tibetans and Turks. The People&#39;s Republic of China is a multi-national state.

While all nations are entitled to self-determination, they are not entitled to a quasi-independence as protectorates of an imperialist power like Ertirea. Nations can only be separate states when they are truly sovereign in that they don&#39;t rely on an imperialist power for their existence. A separate Xinjiang would not only violate the rights of the Han as well as the Turks that want to remain in the PRC, but it would also be a victory for imperialism and neo-colonialism.

redcannon
13th February 2007, 04:50
i hate to be a downer, but this is merely a way to transport more chinese laborers into tibet, taking away the jobs of native tibetans in the region. China was wrong to invade Tibet in the first place, and everyone knows that this "miracle railway" is only going to further exacerbate the problem.

this truly is a turn for the worst, i&#39;m sorry to say :(

Dr. Rosenpenis
13th February 2007, 05:01
what the fuck is this "taking away jobs" bullshit?

Janus
13th February 2007, 05:40
China is not &#39;one single nation&#39;. Xinjiang was invaded
Xinjiang has been under Chinese control since the Han dynasty but settlement didn&#39;t really begin until after 1949.

The PRC is a multi-ethnic nation. It is built upon Han territorial gains since the times of Qin Shi Huang but it is by most defintions a single nation at this point.


but this is merely a way to transport more chinese laborers into tibet, taking away the jobs of native tibetans in the region.
If there is a lack of labor in Tibet but that&#39;s probably doubtful. Most Han Chinese are moving to the cities to find jobs where there is still strong demand, Tibet is probably one of the last places in China that they would want to move to and live in.

Severian
13th February 2007, 06:19
On the railroad itself: this is definitely a progressive development. We don&#39;t need to sing the Beijing&#39;s leadership&#39;s praises for it, no. But not every state puts this much subsidy into its less developed regions.

(The USSR did also - which is why most Central Asian republics never showed any desire for independence until Russia decided to cut them loose&#33;)

I mean, capitalist colonialism in general should be opposed for not building more railroads. The PRC subsidizing the industrial development of Tibet - which it does - is clearly part of the progressive side of its role there, however you judge the overall balance on that.

So it&#39;s pretty outrageous the "Free Tibet" people, following the lead of exiled theocratic monks and feudal nobles, oppose it.

Past threads on Tibet: One (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=32169) and Two (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=57205)

Article by yours truly: "Free Tibet?" (http://www.seeingred.com/Copy/3.1_freetibet.html)


Originally posted by redcannon+February 12, 2007 10:50 pm--> (redcannon &#064; February 12, 2007 10:50 pm)i hate to be a downer, but this is merely a way to transport more chinese laborers into tibet, taking away the jobs of native tibetans in the region. [/b]
Fucked up, as the Dr. has already pointed out. Do you want to lock more people up for just trying to look for work? Push them further into "illegal migrant" status, which works a lot like the status of "illegal aliens" in the U.S.?


[email protected] 12, 2007 11:40 pm
If there is a lack of labor in Tibet but that&#39;s probably doubtful. Most Han Chinese are moving to the cities to find jobs where there is still strong demand, Tibet is probably one of the last places in China that they would want to move to and live in.
Actually - there are a lot of illegal Han migrants from Sichuan (Szechuan) Province into Tibet, just as there are into the big cities. They probably wouldn&#39;t be counted into the 6% you mentioned earlier, or into most official statistics.

A lot of the small businesspeople and self-employed types in Tibet are Han, including the people selling Tibetan handicrafts outside the tourist-attraction temples. In a way, Tibet&#39;s economic backwardness creates more business opportunities - there&#39;s less competition.

The economic migrants are the cause of more resentment than the bureaucrats who are assigned there in rotation. Most of the illegal migrants aim to make some money and go home too - but meanwhile, their competition is blamed for keeping Tibetans at the bottom of the economic ladder.

That&#39;s a real problem, and Tibetans reasonably don&#39;t want to be stuck as just the hewers of wood and drawers of water. But I think the answer is affirmative action of some kind, not more repression against migrants. To oppose freedom of movement in China is as reactionary as opposing it in the U.S. or Europe.

I once read an interesting article by Orville Schell about these migrants; haven&#39;t been able to find it lately. For a "Free Tibet" type, he was surprisingly sympathetic to the Sichuanese.

Anyway, Schell hired a Han taxi driver to transport him in and near Lhasa - this guy wasn&#39;t there legally. When they went through one towns, the driver had to duck Tibetan cops who were out to get his kind....

So yeah, the Han are the privileged nationality overall, but the reality of "Chinese occupation" is a lot more complicated than the average "Free Tibet" website or exiled monk would have you believe.

All those people who left Tibet in 1959 are really a lot like the people who left Cuba the same year....and they have just as little information about what&#39;s happened in their country of birth since they left.

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All this is about Han migration into the Tibet Autonomous Region...aka "political Tibet", historically.

Eastern or "ethnographic" Tibet outside the TAR is a more complicated picture. It had significant Han and other minorities before 1949. Offhand, it&#39;s probably experienced more migration since, but that&#39;s received less attention - the newcomers stand out less for one thing.

Janus
14th February 2007, 00:03
Actually - there are a lot of illegal Han migrants from Sichuan (Szechuan) Province into Tibet, just as there are into the big cities.
In terms of businessmen, traders, etc. then yes but as far as regular labor goes, I haven&#39;t seen any figures on it (Sichuan is a major agricultural and industrial province so I see no need why laborers would have to emigrate to Tibet). All I could dig up were some "Free Tibet" groups&#39; assertions that Han people were "flooding" Tibet.