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R_P_A_S
11th February 2007, 00:08
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ROUND 1

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the thing is. that for the first time in my life.. I understand, and I don't feel confused and lost about many things. and I did this with out god, or religion
and many people are the complete opposite. they find this satisfaction in god and in religion. and I didn't

well just do what i told you..challenge God..u have nothing to lose..and everything to gain

nah
i dont need to ask him shit

do IT!!
do ....it!!

him, her
it
whatever
him

no not whatever

god is a man?

God is God...he is no man

man
you said him
lol

cause jesus was a man..
whatever...shut up...im not the confused one here

i said im not confused

just do it!!

for the first time in my life
im not
i see things clearer

oh oh ok..yea yea that
just do it!!
grRrRRr!!

well like I said im leaving the god issue aside.
right now im 100% sure that is religion what I despise and not believe in
i'll deal with god later

yeah religion...it just confuses people...
but what truely opens peoples eyes..is having a RELATIONSHIP with GOd..not a RELIGION with him...get it??

yeah i get that
well what opened my eyes was the class struggle. not god, and I've known of god forever
the problems and issues surrounding me, my family, people in general.

well u never know..probaly someohne had u in their prayers...and god heard that persons prayer...

i am not an abstract being.
I am real. and so are my problems and the problems facing many people
most of this problems deal with money.
getting down on my knees and having a relationship with god. is not going to help me or my fellow man

but see the difference is that you in your own stregnth try to deal with ur problems...christians just hand them over to God to resolve them...and he gets to them at the right time

we struggle through life... waiting "to go to heaven" while a handful of people live here on earth, Like it's heaven!
i don't believe in that. look at all this people all over the world who instead of making changes and fighting for their freedom and rights. they just get on their knees and pray. while their oppressors keep their foot on their throats.

hey...seriously my parents struggled with money so much...but they handed it over to God..and know we own 3 2007 cars...and two homes...see with God..he gives u what u need and more... so i rather..wait on God...and im sure he will give me something way better..than what i would figure out....

so many problems filled our people and our community. instead of praying and vowing our heads down we should be talking about helping each other and making social changes within our communities. like I said our problems are real!

so your parents have cars and are good financially. so god just helped them because they handed it over to him? what about those lil kids starving in central america? what about all the killings in africa, the lil kids in Palestina and in Iraq? god dont give a fuck about them? the family who spend their life paying their debt for the American Dream.. God didn't give then 2007 cars? so god must not care about them? since they didn't hand his problems to him? PLEASE!

there's 2 types of people in the world.
OPPRESSED and OPPRESSORS
simple as that

he cares for them...thats why in march...im going to africa with a group of people..and were donating money...building buldings...givving them tools to survive..clothing them...God uses people to help other people...

that is not going to stop anything. its a generous deed. But the truth is there are class struggles EVERYWHERE in the world. is nice to give them food. but when you leave. they are still there. and the reality is they are not truly free.
god has nothing to do with me wanting to help my fellow man and oppressed peoples.

just..shut up...

it's my own will to understand the class struggle and how capitalism is the real evil doer

shut up...

the united states government is the lead of the pack. they are an evil empire who for years and years have step down on any peoples movement for freedom from their claws.
look what they did to El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, Vietnam, what they been doing to Cuba for 50 years!

they nestle where ever they can.. they cross borders and seas to set up sweatshops, and military bases, torture prison camps. they pawn on lil countries and use them and their people so that they can stay on top. and this is the country UNDER GOD?
i have studied the class struggle. and understand why we are so poor. from mexico to peru..

JUST...shut up....u need to stop reading books..!!!
im done with the subject.
DONE!

and the United States fascist government has a lot to do with that.

DONE

so the sweatshops where young girls and women are working for 20 cents a day for 16 hours a day are a lie?
theres some in mexico
haiti, dominican republic

DONE!!!!!!!

why cant you listen to me?

everything i tell you is based on proven facts and events that ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE
and are taking place right now
you are just saying god makes people do good things. and this and that.. thats not proven. there's no tangible proof that god does this things.
I in fact have proof that people are dying. and that The United States is an evil capitalist empire sucking up countries and keeping them poor. so that it can be the strongest. and they go around saying they are the NATION UNDER GOD

maybe you should read a book. and see how millions of people around the world are so damn poor and oppressed. You'll understand why they hate the united states.
Imperialism, Neo-Liberalism, Corporate Globalization, Capitalism, those are words you should familiarize your self with. that are REAL, that are happening right now. and whats making the world unstable. instead of God.

and if you have no idea, what they mean. or dont even want to look them up. then you cant criticize it. or talk shit about it.

dont want to...God..will take care of it...


those people in mexico. who were raped and beaten by the state police for standing up for their rights. and for their freedom... god is gonna take care of it?
so we shall all just let our oppressors rape us, kill us and keep us down and not worry about it. because god will take care of it?

ugh...

Question everything
11th February 2007, 00:21
:P you want a real arguement try me...


god is a man?

we say him because there is no Hebrew word that means "it" so in a patiarcal society they decide it was he... in sand-skrit they use the word "it"

razboz
12th February 2007, 18:03
Is there a round 2? This sounds interesting.

wtfm8lol
12th February 2007, 18:07
we say him because there is no Hebrew word that means "it" so in a patiarcal society they decide it was he... in sand-skrit they use the word "it"

that doesn't change the fact that the bible tells women multiple times to submit to their husbands in the same way that all people must submit to god. clearly god is the authority figure in the latter relationship, and so the bible requires that men have authority over women.

razboz
12th February 2007, 18:14
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 06:07 pm

we say him because there is no Hebrew word that means "it" so in a patiarcal society they decide it was he... in sand-skrit they use the word "it"

that doesn't change the fact that the bible tells women multiple times to submit to their husbands in the same way that all people must submit to god. clearly god is the authority figure in the latter relationship, and so the bible requires that men have authority over women.
intersting comment. Socially God is a male, even though his gender is non-defined. I hadnt thought of it like that.

StartToday
12th February 2007, 18:16
Christians who think everything good comes from god piss me off. Common sense explains why so many Christians have nice houses and cars - because 90% of this country identifies themselves as Christian, so a significant number of wealthy people will be Christian - fuckin' duh!

I can totally understand her refusal to listen to you though. She's content - she has an all-powerful imaginary friend to talk to, she doesn't know about the forces of corruption working against humanity in every country on the face of the planet, she doesn't understand/fully comprehend the suffering going on all over the world, and because of this, she doesn't spend her time thinking about what she can do to put a dent in the massive beast that is capitalism.

Ignorance is bliss. Sometimes I almost wish I could go back.

Almost.

wtfm8lol
12th February 2007, 18:17
Originally posted by razboz+February 12, 2007 06:14 pm--> (razboz @ February 12, 2007 06:14 pm)
[email protected] 12, 2007 06:07 pm

we say him because there is no Hebrew word that means "it" so in a patiarcal society they decide it was he... in sand-skrit they use the word "it"

that doesn't change the fact that the bible tells women multiple times to submit to their husbands in the same way that all people must submit to god. clearly god is the authority figure in the latter relationship, and so the bible requires that men have authority over women.
intersting comment. Socially God is a male, even though his gender is non-defined. I hadnt thought of it like that. [/b]
neither had i :o

i was just pointing out that the bible is misogynistic, but that interpretation works too i suppose.

now that i think more about that, it's even more true. multiple times, the bible refers to gods followers as females and calls them his wives, reinforcing the parallel relationships.

Political_Chucky
12th February 2007, 18:53
haha thats pretty coinceidental considering I just had the same conversation with someone over the messenger. Would anyone like me to post that up?

razboz
12th February 2007, 19:27
Originally posted by Political_Chucky+February 12, 2007 06:53 pm--> (Political_Chucky @ February 12, 2007 06:53 pm) haha thats pretty coinceidental considering I just had the same conversation with someone over the messenger. Would anyone like me to post that up? [/b]
Yeah that sounds like it could be interesting.it always fasinates and horrifies me in equal measures to hear these poeple argue...or not as the case might be....



patton
QUOTE (razboz @ February 12, 2007 06:03 pm)
Is there a round 2? This sounds interesting.

So they banned you raboz? Now your stuck over here with all the rest us pagens for the rest of your life!!! laugh.gif

:angry: i hate this ban.

no offense patton, but i hate being stuck in here, not helped by the fact it is totally unfair...

I hadnt realised how hard you guys in the OI had it ;)

Political_Chucky
12th February 2007, 19:50
hiphophead909 (6:53:40 PM): did you know I was born april 10 1989, exactly 70 years after zapta's death?
hiphophead909 (6:54:13 PM): its a sign I think
mexican (6:54:34 PM): yea
mexicand(6:54:40 PM): a sign how ironic u are lol
hiphophead909 (6:54:50 PM): haha
hiphophead909 (6:55:01 PM): I'm his reincarnation
mexicandi (6:55:20 PM):
hiphophead909 (6:55:27 PM): haha
hiphophead909 (6:55:36 PM): u know what, I don't think I believe in a god
hiphophead909 (6:55:52 PM): do you?
hiphophead909 (7:01:58 PM): ur so boring
mexicand(7:02:30 PM): sorry i got distracted
mexicand (7:02:35 PM): so umm yea im a great beliver
mexicand(7:02:35 PM): big time
hiphophead909 (7:02:35 PM): ahha rite
hiphophead909 (7:02:47 PM): y is that?
hiphophead909 (7:02:52 PM): Wat makes you believe in god?
hiphophead909 (7:02:58 PM): I kinda believe there is A god
mexicand (7:03:06 PM): everything i been through
hiphophead909 (7:03:09 PM): but not THE god the catholic church preaches
mexican (7:03:23 PM): then what kind
hiphophead909 (7:03:34 PM): I don't know
hiphophead909 (7:03:55 PM): but how can I believe in a god that the preachers of have murdered so many innocent lives
hiphophead909 (7:04:09 PM): take into view the crusades in the middle ages
hiphophead909 (7:04:29 PM): or when spain came to Mexico for the first time and slaughtered thousands of aztecs
mexicand(7:04:33 PM): he didnt murder them lol
mexicand(7:04:44 PM): listen there is a God but theres also a devil
hiphophead909 (7:04:45 PM): did you know those events were both okayed by the church?
hiphophead909 (7:05:06 PM): ok but that brings me to another point
hiphophead909 (7:05:10 PM): those stories in the bible
hiphophead909 (7:05:13 PM): were written by man
hiphophead909 (7:05:24 PM): it says you will be damned to hell for being gay
hiphophead909 (7:05:39 PM): you will be damned to hell for saying that you do not believe in god
hiphophead909 (7:05:49 PM): and thats one thing you cannot be forgiven on
hiphophead909 (7:05:56 PM): but anything else, such as murder, you can be
hiphophead909 (7:06:06 PM): the bible was written to keep people down
hiphophead909 (7:06:30 PM): but at the same time, a lot of it is good to follow, just I don't think it should be taken literally
mexicand (7:07:55 PM): ... well the bible was written by man whom were spoken through by God, He is posesive and supposly jelous and wants no gays or whatever but if u turn back from gayness ur forgiven
mexicand(7:08:10 PM): something like that i dont nkow the whole story i mean r u gay thats why ur asking
hiphophead909 (7:08:18 PM): lol no
hiphophead909 (7:08:23 PM): but I think it shouldn't matter
hiphophead909 (7:08:47 PM): if I was gay, and I happened to be the best follower of the commandents and shit, I would still go to hell
hiphophead909 (7:08:57 PM): that makes no sense
hiphophead909 (7:09:10 PM): I'm not saying there is no god
hiphophead909 (7:09:43 PM): just not the god the church speaks of, because really, why should I listen to an old man who wears a white robe and claims to be the speaker of god?
hiphophead909 (7:10:25 PM): just because there has been a church for centuries?
hiphophead909 (7:10:33 PM): people also belive in many gods
hiphophead909 (7:10:36 PM): such as apollo
mexican (7:10:39 PM): well i m not going to argue with u because i agree with the fact that i can learn from the bibl just as much as i can learn from a pope
hiphophead909 (7:10:49 PM): and mercury, wat if rome didn't fall? We would then believe in them
hiphophead909 (7:11:08 PM): ahh well thats ur opinion then
mexican(7:11:14 PM): but it did there is no ifs
hiphophead909 (7:11:20 PM): yes, there are ifs
mexicand (7:11:38 PM): ifs would only stay ifs
hiphophead909 (7:11:42 PM): ok
hiphophead909 (7:11:46 PM): wat if I didn't talk to you today
mexicand (7:11:48 PM): cuz u wont ever find out
hiphophead909 (7:11:52 PM): wat if I decided not to hit u up
mexicand (7:11:54 PM): then u wouldnt
hiphophead909 (7:11:59 PM): exactly
hiphophead909 (7:12:04 PM): a different thing in history
hiphophead909 (7:12:12 PM): there is no such thing as fate, you control your life
hiphophead909 (7:12:20 PM): god dosen't change anything for you
hiphophead909 (7:12:40 PM): let me tell you another example
hiphophead909 (7:12:53 PM): I remember this guy from harvest preaching to me about how he had gotten stuck on the road
hiphophead909 (7:13:00 PM): and he had a flat tire
hiphophead909 (7:13:06 PM): he had a spare but no jack
hiphophead909 (7:13:20 PM): and suddennly someone stopped and lended him a jack
hiphophead909 (7:13:25 PM): he believed this was an act of god
hiphophead909 (7:13:40 PM): but how so? It was just an act of the person lending his jack to him, not god
mexicandi (7:14:28 PM): well then that person couldnt of came to his rescue there could of been no one there instead God send someone to help him
hiphophead909 (7:14:46 PM): haha how did god send him?
hiphophead909 (7:14:58 PM): The person was running his own errands and just decided to help the guy
hiphophead909 (7:15:10 PM): so your saying god minipulated him and told him to get off and lend him his jack?
hiphophead909 (7:16:19 PM): I ono, I suggest you read into history. Nothing wrong with believing in it, because to me, it gives good morals, but I ono, its good to enlighten yourself on the truth I think

I'll put the rest later

Question everything
12th February 2007, 21:08
We get treated like 2nd class citizens.

:wub: I still love you guys :P (I'm really sorry to hear you got banned razboy)

razboz
12th February 2007, 21:11
Originally posted by patton+February 12, 2007 07:53 pm--> (patton @ February 12, 2007 07:53 pm)
Originally posted by razboz+February 12, 2007 07:27 pm--> (razboz @ February 12, 2007 07:27 pm)
[email protected] 12, 2007 06:53 pm
haha thats pretty coinceidental considering I just had the same conversation with someone over the messenger. Would anyone like me to post that up?
Yeah that sounds like it could be interesting.it always fasinates and horrifies me in equal measures to hear these poeple argue...or not as the case might be....



patton
QUOTE (razboz @ February 12, 2007 06:03 pm)
Is there a round 2? This sounds interesting.

So they banned you raboz? Now your stuck over here with all the rest us pagens for the rest of your life!!! laugh.gif

:angry: i hate this ban.

no offense patton, but i hate being stuck in here, not helped by the fact it is totally unfair...

I hadnt realised how hard you guys in the OI had it ;) [/b]
What did you do to get banned? ;)

Yes being stuck in the O.I. sucks you get shit on alot. We get treated like 2nd class citizens. :( [/b]
I was "antisemitic" which is complete BS. You can read more about it in the *READ* thread.


We get treated like 2nd class citizens. sad.gif

That's actually really unfair for some of you guys (or us).

colonelguppy
12th February 2007, 22:01
kudos, you made what seems like a 14 year old look dumb.

R_P_A_S
12th February 2007, 23:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 10:01 pm
kudos, you made what seems like a 14 year old look dumb.
this girl is 22 years old. she gives AMAZING HEAD i may add! ;)

colonelguppy
13th February 2007, 01:25
Originally posted by R_P_A_S+February 12, 2007 06:05 pm--> (R_P_A_S @ February 12, 2007 06:05 pm)
[email protected] 12, 2007 10:01 pm
kudos, you made what seems like a 14 year old look dumb.
this girl is 22 years old. she gives AMAZING HEAD i may add! ;) [/b]
lol

Bright Banana Beard
13th February 2007, 02:57
then I must be the reincarnation of Jim Jones. :P I believe that a sign.

Question everything
14th February 2007, 21:44
How could you say such a thing :o , after all the times I've stuck up for you :lol: (seriously though) I do enjoy our little chats :wub: , and I do feel sorry for Razboy

Question everything
15th February 2007, 01:49
I know I saw, congrats Razboy!!! :D see you somehere else, and see patton, I'm not entirely evil :lol:

Question everything
15th February 2007, 21:39
nah, 40% tops ;) :lol:

Question everything
15th February 2007, 21:48
Hey I'm your High-Priest :lol: absolutly 45% tops

Question everything
16th February 2007, 21:39
wow that whole arguement was way off topic... lol

Question everything
19th February 2007, 23:28
they should make an OI chit-chat thread... :lol: it would be awesome

Lenin's Law
22nd February 2007, 14:02
Another talking point could be this: Most religious people in the world are poor, most poor people STAY poor for the rest of their lives; so much for her assertion that "god gives u things" and makes you wealthy. For the vast majority of poor people who worship a god, it doesn't.

RedAnarchist
22nd February 2007, 14:05
Originally posted by Question [email protected] 19, 2007 11:28 pm
they should make an OI chit-chat thread... :lol: it would be awesome
They won't do that ever - the OI'ers are lucky we even have a forum for them.

RedKnight
13th March 2007, 09:06
Girl sounds like a "prosperity gospel" pentecostal.