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Kami
10th February 2007, 01:36
I was wondering if someone could explain the details of mutualism to me, in particular in relation to Individualist Anarchism? It would be much appreciated.

apathy maybe
10th February 2007, 03:33
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secGcon.html has a lot of good information on Individualist Anarchists and there is a thread on individualist anarchism at http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=61608 plus good stuff in the CC which you can't access. (Though I will put it online else where for my own gratification.)

I don't really know much about Mutualism, but you can find information http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=6421

Individualists support a market system similar to that of the mutualists. Limited "private property" and so on.

The Feral Underclass
10th February 2007, 11:33
Basic Principles of Anarchism (http://question-everything.mahost.org/Socio-Politics/BasicAnarchy.html)

There is a section there that talks about Mutualism.

Janus
11th February 2007, 00:23
It's basically like the scientific principle of mutualism as a biological interaction.

If you wanna go a little more in depth, here's Kropotkin's work
Mutual Aid (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_archives/kropotkin/mutaidcontents.html)

The Feral Underclass
11th February 2007, 00:32
Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 01:23 am
It's basically like the scientific principle of mutualism as a biological interaction.

If you wanna go a little more in depth, here's Kropotkin's work
Mutual Aid (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_archives/kropotkin/mutaidcontents.html)
What!?

Janus
11th February 2007, 00:46
Maybe this piece is more direct then.

Wage system (http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/kropotkin/wages.html)

As for Proudhonian mutualism:
http://www.mutualist.org/

http://www.panarchy.org/swartz/mutualism.index.html

RedCommieBear
11th February 2007, 03:13
Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 12:23 am
It's basically like the scientific principle of mutualism as a biological interaction.

If you wanna go a little more in depth, here's Kropotkin's work
Mutual Aid (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_archives/kropotkin/mutaidcontents.html)
Mutualism and mutual aid are two different things. Mutual aid was advocated by the anarcho-communists (Kropotkin), and could be considered a synonym for gift economics. Mutualism is an economic theory that amounts to stateless-market socialism. Companies would be democratically run co-ops with members recieving labor notes (essentially a form of currency representing amount of hours worked). However, Mutualists don't advocate collectivising land for collectivation's sake. As long as you wouldn't employ others, mutualists feel there would be no need to collectivise. For instance, I could farm a plot by myself and keep all of its crop. But if 2 or more people farm the same plot, it would be democratic.

Mutualism and individualist anarchism are related. Many individualists anarchists call themselves mutualists and vice versa. It's sometimes hard to tell the difference. The difference I've been able to come up with is this; Individualist anarchists place most or all of their emphasis on the individual doing his own thing, where mutualists placed more emphasis on the co-op. While an individualist anarchist may not be opposed to a co-op in places where it took 2 or more people to work, they didn't belive it to be a basis for a society. Individualist anarchists also see capitalism and free enterprise to be at odds with one another.

apathy maybe
11th February 2007, 03:57
That actually seems like a pretty good summary. From the links that Janus posted it does seem like they are both pretty similar. Both (generally) support gradual change and both support the idea of property as use.

Janus
12th February 2007, 01:08
Mutualism and individualist anarchism are related.
Right, I posted Kropotkin's Mutual Aid as a counter to Proudhon's mutualism. Then I realized that I forgot to put more direct/explicit links and had to go back and do that.