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YKTMX
9th February 2007, 15:52
I'd direct people to this very interesting blog post by Louis Proyect

click (http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/is-nasrallah-an-anti-semite/)

It deals specifically with the recent "controversy" between a Zionist professor in America and someone who apparently wrote a sympathetic account of the Hizb'allah in the Lebanon in the London Review of Books.

I mention it only because the article deals with the veracity of some quotes reputedly made by Nasrallah that are forever being repeated on this board as proof of his "anti-semitism".

I'll put this little bit in for those too idle to click the link:


Eugene Goodheart asks whether I am familiar with two statements he attributes to Hizbullah’s secretary-general, Sayed Hassan Nasrallah (Letters, 7 September). Goodheart uses the inflammatory quotations to accuse Nasrallah of being ‘an anti-semite with fantasies of genocide’. If I am unfamiliar with the statements, it is because they are in all likelihood fabrications. The first (‘If they [the Jews] all gather in Israel it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide’) was circulated widely on neo-con websites, which give as its original source an article by Badih Chayban in Beirut’s English-language Daily Star on 23 October 2002. It seems that Chayban left the Star three years ago and moved to Washington. The Star’s managing editor writes of Chayban’s article on Nasrallah, that ‘I have faith in neither the accuracy of the translation [from Arabic to English] nor the agenda of the translator [Chayban].’ The editor-in-chief and publisher of the Star, Jamil Mrowe, adds that Chayban was ‘a reporter and briefly local desk sub and certainly did not interview Nasrallah or anyone else.’ The account of Nasrallah’s speech in the Lebanese daily As Safir for the same day makes no reference to any anti-semitic comments. Goodheart’s second quotation – ‘They [the Jews] are a cancer which is liable to spread at any moment’ – comes from the Israeli government’s website at http://tinyurl.com/99hyz. For the record, a Hizbullah spokeswoman, Wafa Hoteit, denies that Nasrallah made either statement.

Goodheart wonders whether, as a former captive of Hizbullah, I may have succumbed to Stockholm syndrome; may I ask in return whether he is succumbing to the disinformation that passes for scholarship and journalism in certain quarters in the United States?

Charles Glass Paris

Nothing Human Is Alien
9th February 2007, 20:13
It takes a real political washout to defend a guy who leads an organization claiming to fight for the creation of a theocracy, while condemning the leader of an authentically socialist country.

Good job.

KC
9th February 2007, 20:41
Who's the "zionist professor"?

Severian
9th February 2007, 21:34
Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 09, 2007 02:13 pm
It takes a real political washout to defend a guy who leads an organization claiming to fight for the creation of a theocracy, while condemning the leader of an authentically socialist country.
As you say.

But no matter how bad Nasrallah is, one shouldn't circulate fabricated quotes. Or even rely on quotes whose authenticity is seriously questionable.

There is plenty of other material out there on Nasrallah's words and Hezbollah's actions, after all.....

So yeah, people should stop relying on these in argument.

YKTMX
12th February 2007, 14:12
Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 09, 2007 08:13 pm
It takes a real political washout to defend a guy who leads an organization claiming to fight for the creation of a theocracy, while condemning the leader of an authentically socialist country.

Good job.
What is it that distinguishes "theocracy" from your brand of "socialism"?

In theocracies, would people lead merely because they are related to the old master, without any notion of democracy? Well, that happens under your "socialism"?

In theocracies, would free expression be outlawed and would the secret police terrorize homosexuals and deviants? Well, that also happens under your "socialism"?

In theocracies, would "martyrs" be iconized, stripped of their meaning, turned into hollow shells whose images reinforce the legitimacy of the dominant class? Yes, well that happens in your "socialist" state.

In theocracies, would the "enlightened elite" control affairs and consume luxuries while the masses suffered in squalor? Yes, well that happens under "socialism".

In fact, it seems to me like Cuba is the archetype theocracy.

KC
12th February 2007, 16:58
I don't see how this guy's a zionist. Is it because he's against Hizb'allah?

Guerrilla22
12th February 2007, 19:18
Originally posted by Zampanò@February 12, 2007 04:58 pm
I don't see how this guy's a zionist. Is it because he's against Hizb'allah?
Yeah, he really didn't sound like a zionist in that article. It said he was a Marxist when he was a student and still retains some Marxist thinking.