On Democracy

[cullinane]

With regard to democracy...One must remember that we can never hope to pose the question of 'democracy' without relating it to the class concerned. Non-class or above class presentations of democracy go against all notions of Marxism and the class struggle.
Democracy, or general democracy, does not exist in any of the most developed capitalist countries. The only democracy that exists in these countries is bourgeois democracy..the democracy to privately control the means of production and economically dominate the lifes of workers. The democratic bourgeois republic is no more than a state machine for the domination of labour by capital.
The class nature of any bourgeois state can be readily exposed as one can note from any of the recent globalisation protests, terror and bourgeois dictatorship prevail in the most democratic of countries and is openly displayed whenever the interests of capital are being shaken.
One must always remember that the notion of democracy has existed since antiquity, its form invariably changes over the centuries as one ruling class replaces another. The political rule of capital is the essence of bourgeois democracy.

[TheDerminator]

cullinane,

First time I have come across U, and it is an excellent way for you to introduce yourself, if this is one of your first posts.
You obviously from the "Marxist" school and although I have my disagreements with orthodoxy, you are in the best orthodox camp.
It is a class struggle, and anyone who thinks that socialism can be divorced from the question of class division is living in some strange world with theory detached from reality.
The class divisions exist in every society, they are the prime causation of the economic system and BORG "democracy" is only a hegemonic mindset with objective screwing the workers for profit.
However, I disagree with your final statement that "the political rule of capital is the essence of bourgeios democracy".
The objective of accruing capital is at the essence of bourgeios democracy, but the political rule as such is not of capital, but of the parties represents the interests of capital. The rule is not faceless money. The rule has a face or faces in the opportunist politicians who represents the interests of capital.
Don't let the bastards off the hook. The bastards created the system. It is not faceless.

May the Force be with U!

derminated

[El Che]

And I would only add that it is those bastards you must fight, and not the ballot-box system its self.

[TheDerminator]

El Che,
I agree with U, in the sense that there is more to it, than an electoral struggle, but ultimately I am a democratic socialist, and I believe we can use the ballot box to get rid of the bastards! Big style! Also, the minnions are not all from the BORG class, and they possess the BORG mindset too. Just as in the opposite case, that people from the Bourgeios class can joint the fight against the oppressors of the working class.

May the Force with U!

derminated


May the Force be with U!

[El Che]

Well god damn it man you should have said so before! Here I was taking you for an elitist in this day and age...