Left and Right differences?

[colorlessman]

The only differences are social, political, and economical. Other than that Left and Right share many similarities.

Are left and right even relevant terms? Independents and opponents of Left and Right love to argue they are not, what do you guys think?

I think, they are relevant terms to categorize political, economical, and social views.

[Fawkes]

What other views are there other than Social, Economic, and Political?

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Well they are only very broad terms.

For example, some people might describe themselves as right wing, but mean they support privatization, but socially support anti racism and oppose sexism and homophobia.

Other right wingers would be the opposite, support state owned means of production, but hate homosexuals, think women should stay at home and use racist language.

The terms are confusing, and really not at all helpful.

[colorlessman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:33 am
What other views are there other than Social, Economic, and Political?
Well, a lot

Environmental views, both right and left are anti environment and pro progress for different reasons.

Natural views, both left and right support the domination of animals and nature.

Technological views, both right and left are pro technology and think all technological progress is good.

just some similarities

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by colorlessman+February 08, 2007 08:40 pm--> (colorlessman @ February 08, 2007 08:40 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2007 01:33 am
What other views are there other than Social, Economic, and Political?
Well, a lot

Environmental views, both right and left are anti environment and pro progress for different reasons.

Natural views, both left and right support the domination of animals and nature.

Technological views, both right and left are pro technology and think all technological progress is good.

just some similarities [/b]
Well, not all members of the left and right necesarily support those things.

[colorlessman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:36 am
Well they are only very broad terms.

For example, some people might describe themselves as right wing, but mean they support privatization, but socially support anti racism and oppose sexism and homophobia.

Other right wingers would be the opposite, support state owned means of production, but hate homosexuals, think women should stay at home and use racist language.

The terms are confusing, and really not at all helpful.
I agree the terms are confusing.

But, anyone who support the state owning means of production by the definition of
rightism is not a right winger.

[colorlessman]

Originally posted by Fawkes+February 09, 2007 01:43 am--> (Fawkes @ February 09, 2007 01:43 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 08:40 pm

[email protected] 09, 2007 01:33 am
What other views are there other than Social, Economic, and Political?
Well, a lot

Environmental views, both right and left are anti environment and pro progress for different reasons.

Natural views, both left and right support the domination of animals and nature.

Technological views, both right and left are pro technology and think all technological progress is good.

just some similarities
Well, not all members of the left and right necesarily support those things. [/b]
Well, If they don't than they are independents.

However, it is safe to generalize that those similarities do exist.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by colorlessman+February 09, 2007 01:40 am--> (colorlessman @ February 09, 2007 01:40 am)
[email protected] 09, 2007 01:33 am
What other views are there other than Social, Economic, and Political?
Well, a lot

Environmental views, both right and left are anti environment and pro progress for different reasons.

Natural views, both left and right support the domination of animals and nature.

Technological views, both right and left are pro technology and think all technological progress is good.

just some similarities [/b]
Environmental and "natural" views are far from uniform on the left. I can find quotes from Red Army soldiers during the Russian Civil War that they were fighting to "live in harmony with the Earth". That isn't domination.

Anyone who isn't a primitivist supports technology. Even Rosseau, who hated technology, thought that we shouldn't do away with it.

[colorlessman]

Both left and right support work. The left just wants to humanize work. But for me work is forced labour it is not natural.

[colorlessman]

Originally posted by manic expression+February 09, 2007 01:50 am--> (manic expression @ February 09, 2007 01:50 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:40 am

[email protected] 09, 2007 01:33 am
What other views are there other than Social, Economic, and Political?
Well, a lot

Environmental views, both right and left are anti environment and pro progress for different reasons.

Natural views, both left and right support the domination of animals and nature.

Technological views, both right and left are pro technology and think all technological progress is good.

just some similarities
Environmental and "natural" views are far from uniform on the left. I can find quotes from Red Army soldiers during the Russian Civil War that they were fighting to "live in harmony with the Earth". That isn't domination.

Anyone who isn't a primitivist supports technology. Even Rosseau, who hated technology, thought that we shouldn't do away with it. [/b]


There is a thread about meat, most members of this forum support eating animals. Sounds very uniform. Eating of animals = domination.

Most members are on this forum are very uniform when it comes to their stand on the environment, which is anti environment just like right wingers.


Both left and right wingers use the primitivist argument to support their stand on technology.

[rouchambeau]

The thing that throws it all off for me is when people say that the left is all about humanity, anti-greed, and being progressive. I wonder if they consider liberals to be leftists as well.

[Fawkes]

Most members are on this forum are very uniform when it comes to their stand on the environment, which is anti environment just like right wingers.
What are you talking about "anti-environment"?

[manic expression]

Originally posted by colorlessman+February 09, 2007 02:00 am--> (colorlessman @ February 09, 2007 02:00 am)
Originally posted by manic [email protected] 09, 2007 01:50 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:40 am

[email protected] 09, 2007 01:33 am
What other views are there other than Social, Economic, and Political?
Well, a lot

Environmental views, both right and left are anti environment and pro progress for different reasons.

Natural views, both left and right support the domination of animals and nature.

Technological views, both right and left are pro technology and think all technological progress is good.

just some similarities
Environmental and "natural" views are far from uniform on the left. I can find quotes from Red Army soldiers during the Russian Civil War that they were fighting to "live in harmony with the Earth". That isn't domination.

Anyone who isn't a primitivist supports technology. Even Rosseau, who hated technology, thought that we shouldn't do away with it.


There is a thread about meat, most members of this forum support eating animals. Sounds very uniform. Eating of animals = domination.

Most members are on this forum are very uniform when it comes to their stand on the environment, which is anti environment just like right wingers.


Both left and right wingers use the primitivist argument to support their stand on technology. [/b]
Eating meat isn't inherent in leftist thought. Neither vegetarians nor omnivores contradict leftist ideas.

For the record, I'm a vegetarian, and I follow such a diet because it is more sustainable (to say nothing of ethical issues).

I'm not sure I understand your point. Who uses primitivist arguments? They aren't even allowed on this site.

[colorlessman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 02:03 am

What are you talking about "anti-environment"?
look it up

[colorlessman]

Originally posted by manic [email protected] 09, 2007 02:05 am
I'm not sure I understand your point. Who uses primitivist arguments? They aren't even allowed on this site.
People who support technological progress with out thought. Most members here.

[MrDoom]

The terms 'left' and 'right' relate only to economics. Stalin and Hitler were both totalitarian nutcases, yet were in opposition in economic terms.

Stop trying to turn a multidimensional political spectrum into the 1D "left-right" continuum: it's not that simple.

[LSD]

Natural views, both left and right support the domination of animals and nature.

:lol:

If by "domination of nature" you mean not subscribing to the cult of Newkirk, then I suppose we're all guilty across the board.

But then most of us enjoy not dying and so don't support policies that would inevitably lead to the deaths of billions.


Technological views, both right and left are pro technology and think all technological progress is good.

Yeah, and I bet they're also both pro children and think that kiddy porn is bad. That's not a sign of "political similarity", it's a sign of sanity.

Opposing technology is a kind of religious delusion, held by a very tiny and insignificant cult of postmodern millenialists. The fact that that cult primarily communicates via the internet, of course, is the kind of delicious irony that one can only find among the mentally unstable.

[mikelepore]

In the most general sense, I believe that the political right and left differ on how they explain the sources of social inequality. The right says that inequality arises mainly because some people are, while others are not, smart, inventive, ambitious, thrifty, of aristocratic blood, the master race, or some other personal characteristics. The left says that inequality arises mainly because society's methods of doing things are not optimally arranged -- there are inherited privileges, corrupt factors, some randomness -- and we can intelligently adopt a better system. Looking at most of the "test" public policy issues that are usually named as identifying the right and left, as well as the older roots in history and literature, this seems to me to be the common thread.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:45 am
But, anyone who support the state owning means of production by the definition of
rightism is not a right winger.
No, this is false.

First of all, most rightists do support the State owning means of production - though most of them do not support the State owning all means of production.

Second, right and left aren't directly related with State or private ownership of means of production.

The right is about inequality. This is the central point. Some rightists are glad with the inequality the market "naturally" produces, and we call them liberals, moderates, centrists, etc.

Other rightists feel the market does not promote enough inequality, or that it promotes the wrong kind of inequality, and favour State intervention in the economy to counter what they feel are excessively egalitarian leanings of the market. We call them conservatives, fascists, ultraconservatives, etc.

Still other rightists believe the market promotes too much inequality for its own good, and favour State intervention in the economy to counter what they understand are suicidal inegalitarian leanings of the market - we call them ultraliberals, socialdemocrats, reformists, keynesian, etc.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:52 am
Both left and right support work. The left just wants to humanize work. But for me work is forced labour it is not natural.
But, to oppose work, we need to favour technology.

Or epidemical starvation, of course.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:40 am
Technological views, both right and left are pro technology and think all technological progress is good.
This is completely false. There is certainly a subset of the right wing that vehemently opposes technology, for its harmful effects to society. It's quite commonplace among the religious right, for instance.

Luís Henrique

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:52 am
Both left and right support work. The left just wants to humanize work. But for me work is forced labour it is not natural.
Work is natural and production is the one common thread in human history. In a Communist society work would be for the collective benefit rather than simple survival as it is in our current capitalist society. It would also require less hours and be more enjoyable as you say yourself.

As regards the environment I'm not sure about others on this board but I myself am a staunch opponent of the eradication of our rainforests, the destruction of our earth etc. But I recognise that it is Capitalism and it's need for an ever-increasing market/profit that perpetuates this destruction - a Communist society with our developed level of technology and collective economy would be able to avoid this extreme destruction of our living environments.

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by colorlessman+February 08, 2007 09:29 pm--> (colorlessman @ February 08, 2007 09:29 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2007 02:03 am

What are you talking about "anti-environment"?
look it up [/b]
Look what up? Where would I find this document that states that all members of the left are anti-environment?

Pro-technology does not mean anti-environment, in fact, it is generally pro-environment in that it seeks to preserve the environment by using technology as opposed to cutting down all consumption.

[Janus]

Left and right are political delineations thus they don't always account for more personal beliefs such as religion, environment, technology, etc. Of course, these views can influence which trend one identifies with but they aren't the main causes.