Rape/molest

[Nathan_Morrison]

What would your treatment of rapists/molesters myself i say they deserveto be executed for the pyschological damage that they cause to the victims alone. I also believe that they are beyond help if not execution then life inprisonment. What do you guys think?

[Democratic Socialist]

I don't believe in the death penalty but for a society that puts so many to death, it's a shock why not a single criminal has been put to death for the sole charge of rape (in other cases, it has been rape in conjunction with murder). If you are going to execute anyone, rapists and molesters are the ones.

[Guerrilla22]

the y should be let off with a ciatation the first offense, community service the second offense and a month in jail the third offense.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 11:39 pm
the y should be let off with a ciatation the first offense, community service the second offense and a month in jail the third offense.
Is that a joke?

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by RedStar1916+February 06, 2007 11:41 pm--> (RedStar1916 @ February 06, 2007 11:41 pm)
[email protected] 06, 2007 11:39 pm
the y should be let off with a ciatation the first offense, community service the second offense and a month in jail the third offense.
Is that a joke? [/b]
yes.

[Democratic Socialist]

Originally posted by RedStar1916+February 06, 2007 11:41 pm--> (RedStar1916 @ February 06, 2007 11:41 pm)
[email protected] 06, 2007 11:39 pm
the y should be let off with a ciatation the first offense, community service the second offense and a month in jail the third offense.
Is that a joke? [/b]
Oh, I hope. But it wouldn't surprise me if he's serious; Marxists tend to hold beliefs that would never hold up in reality.

[Nathan_Morrison]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 11:39 pm
the y should be let off with a ciatation the first offense, community service the second offense and a month in jail the third offense.
But what is that to stop them doing it other times if the punishments are so low molesters tend to do it for long periods of time and are family 'friends', In my opnion they shouldbegiven the harshest penalty .

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Nathan_Morrison+February 06, 2007 11:44 pm--> (Nathan_Morrison @ February 06, 2007 11:44 pm)
[email protected] 06, 2007 11:39 pm
the y should be let off with a ciatation the first offense, community service the second offense and a month in jail the third offense.
But what is that to stop them doing it other times if the punishments are so low molesters tend to do it for long periods of time and are family 'friends', In my opnion they shouldbegiven the harshest penalty . [/b]
I think rapist and molesters can be helped through therapy in some instances, long prison sentences tend to only make the criminal more of a hardened crimal one they come out.

[Nathan_Morrison]

only some can be helped but if they have beendoing it logn termthe psychological damage has been done,the molester has fucked the person up some victims try to kill themselves because of it.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

yes.
w00t.



Oh, I hope. But it wouldn't surprise me if he's serious; Marxists tend to hold beliefs that would never hold up in reality.
I think there's a restriction coming your way, if not a ban. Troll.

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Anyway on the topic at hand, I am a firm believer in the rule of law, as defined by Aristotle as "reason, free from passion". As such I am a staunch opponent of the death penalty. I think it is not only hypocritical but also impractical, as the death of a criminal often causes more emotional harm to the innocent family of the guilty party than to the guilty party itself. I think a jail term and an attempt at rehabilitation would be in order for the lighter offenders, and for the more serious/repeat offences, chemical castration and/or lifetime imprisonment may be necessary.

[Guerrilla22]

Oh, I hope. But it wouldn't surprise me if he's serious; Marxists tend to hold beliefs that would never hold up in reality.

Criminals ge toff light all the time, especially in the US due to massive prison overcrowding, people who committ white collar crimes also tend to get off extremely light, they aren't any better than rapist or child molesters.

[Nathan_Morrison]

I agree with what redstar has just said with the chemical castration and life imprisonment would be a willing compromise for me.

[Fawkes]

What about instead of imprisoning them or chopping their balls off, they be put in mental hospitals where they are in a safe environment but cannot harm anyone. They are sick people and they need help.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 12:29 am
What about instead of imprisoning them or chopping their balls off, they be put in mental hospitals where they are in a safe environment but cannot harm anyone. They are sick people and they need help.
Chemical castration has nothing to do with chopping people's balls off.

[Fawkes]

Sorry, I misread it.

[bretty]

The problem with considering them sick is that it's a difference when someone turns themselves in or admits it. Otherwise you have to remember they wouldn't of been so remorseful if they weren't caught and usually aren't feeling guilty about their crime but they are feeling guilt from being in the social spotlight. Now that people know they are deviating from norms in society they turn to the normal expectancy of that society, which is remorse.

Foucault spends alot of time on discipline and punishment in his book titled 'discipline and punish' lol.

[Fawkes]

Regardless of whether they appear remorseful or not and for what reasons, they are still sick and need help.

[Guerrilla22]

I agree, an attempt should be made at rehabilitation to try to enable offenders to have a chance at becoming productive members of society.

[OkaCrisis]

In a society where everybody is armed, I'd like to see anyone live through an attempted rape.

[Nathan_Morrison]

Same. Molest would be harder because its done in secret and normally to the weak and defenceless.

[Luís Henrique]

What is this thread, kindergarten for trolls?

Luís Henrique

[Hit The North]

Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 07, 2007 11:57 am
What is this thread, kindergarten for trolls?

Luís Henrique
Yes, can someone please move this thread out of Philosophy.

[Fawkes]

Move it to what though? Discrimination?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 07, 2007 10:57 am
What is this thread, kindergarten for trolls?

Luís Henrique
What?

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 04:03 pm
Move it to what though? Discrimination?
Not here to theory, of course. To chit chat, or OI, I would say. And the two trolls who started it could be restricted there, too.

Luís Henrique

[LSD]

Luis, I don't see any evidence that the thread starter is a troll. He's been a member for over a year. If he is a troll, he's definitely not a very good one.

Moved to Learning...

On the subject at hand, I don't think anyone is going to disagree that rape should be punished, but execution is the wrong way to go. In fact, there's actually another thread on that very subject.

The death penalty (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=62307).

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 01:50 am
Luis, I don't see any evidence that the thread starter is a troll. He's been a member for over a year. If he is a troll, he's definitely not a very good one.
OK, it seems you are right.

Must be me, and my knee jerk reaction to these questions of the kind, "what should we expect the State to do in our behalf?"

Luís Henrique