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Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg
6th February 2007, 19:00
I have a limited knowladge on this subject, a few people on this board have connected it to the frankfurt school fariation and that of Gramsci (which i find very interesting). Does it want to establish the dictatorship of the proleteriat, but without a party (see my sig)....Iv interperated it as a sort of libertarian communist sort of think which i think is a good ting for uniting M-Lists and Anarchists. But Luxumbergism(From Rosa Luxumberg of the spartacist league?) and Frankfurt?Gramscis communism sont seem that popular(on this board).

please correct me and ellaborate my statment above?

Janus
6th February 2007, 23:17
Luxembourgism is basically left communist or council communism. It was more or less an alternative to Marxist-Leninist doctrine.

These threads may help you out more.
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...ST&f=36&t=44959 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?s=&act=ST&f=36&t=44959)

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...se&f=36&t=54956 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?act=Print&client=choose&f=36&t=54956)

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...ml&f=36&t=44959 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?act=Print&client=html&f=36&t=44959)

Kropotkin Has a Posse
6th February 2007, 23:22
I'm for it. I had toyed with the Council-Communist idea before turning towards anarchism, and it seems a reasonable enough blend of both anarchist and communist currents.

LuĂ­s Henrique
7th February 2007, 09:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 11:17 pm
Luxembourgism is basically left communist or council communism. It was more or less an alternative to Marxist-Leninist doctrine.
That would be what council communists would like us to believe, but, no, it is not true.

Luís Henriue

Devrim
7th February 2007, 10:32
Originally posted by Luís Henrique+February 07, 2007 09:51 am--> (Luís Henrique @ February 07, 2007 09:51 am)
[email protected] 06, 2007 11:17 pm
Luxembourgism is basically left communist or council communism. It was more or less an alternative to Marxist-Leninist doctrine.
That would be what council communists would like us to believe, but, no, it is not true.

Luís Henriue [/b]
Well, it is certainly untrue to say that Rosa was a councilist as I don't think the term was even used during her lifetime. She was, however, a part of the left wing of the German Party alongside the currents that later became the left, and council communists. She was murdered before the split in the KPD, so it is pretty pointless to speculate about, which side she would have taken. Her analysis of imperialism, and the concept of decadence certainly form the basis of the left/council communist currents. She sided with the left on the trade union question, but disagreed with them on the parliamentary question. The period of her political life was one of immense change within the workers movement. It is important to remember that at the opening of the first world war, the groups that would later develop into the Leninist, Trotskyist, Bordigist, Left-Communist, and Councilist tendencies were members of the Second International linked more by the fight against revisionism than they were separated by differences that would later emerge between them.

On reflection though I think that it is possible to say that there is a qualities difference between Lenin, and Luxembourg's theories of imperialism, and that the position that the councilists held, and the communist left holds today are based on a development of her work in the Janus pamphlet.

Devrim

Janus
8th February 2007, 22:38
That would be what council communists would like us to believe, but, no, it is not true.
Why not? She's one of the pioneers of left/council communism along with Liebknecht and Pannekoek.