Mystery Symbol [Archive]

OkaCrisis

4th February 2007, 16:45

Originally posted by RevMARKSman+February 04, 2007 07:43 am--> (RevMARKSman @ February 04, 2007 07:43 am)
An [email protected] 04, 2007 07:35 am
hmmm, it looks like a bad mix of the (A) and the peace-sign
And the celtic cross. Whatever it is, avoid it.[/b]
I've always taken this symbol: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Celtic-style_crossed_circle.svg/124px-Celtic-style_crossed_circle.svg.png to be akin to this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Earth_symbol.svg/50px-Earth_symbol.svg.png.
The latter is a symbol for the earth, something I take to mean balance and wholeness. I can see how the former might represent divisiveness of that concept.

razboz

4th February 2007, 17:43

Originally posted by OkaCrisis+February 04, 2007 04:45 pm--> (OkaCrisis @ February 04, 2007 04:45 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 07:43 am

An [email protected] 04, 2007 07:35 am
hmmm, it looks like a bad mix of the (A) and the peace-sign
And the celtic cross. Whatever it is, avoid it.
I've always taken this symbol: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Celtic-style_crossed_circle.svg/124px-Celtic-style_crossed_circle.svg.png to be akin to this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Earth_symbol.svg/50px-Earth_symbol.svg.png.
The latter is a symbol for the earth, something I take to mean balance and wholeness. I can see how the former might represent divisiveness of that concept. [/b]
Those two symbols are both used by white supremists as representing the unity of all whites and white culture in general.

I think your symbol is some crazy cross of this symbol and the anarchist (a). Id imagine whoever that belongs to could be misguided skinheads or punks as these two subcultures have anarchism and white supremist factions.

An archist

4th February 2007, 18:13

if you try to mix these two, you might also get that symbol.
Where did you see it? that might help alot.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/brakke123/blub.jpg

OkaCrisis

4th February 2007, 18:55

Originally posted by An [email protected] 04, 2007 01:13 pm
if you try to mix these two, you might also get that symbol.
Where did you see it? that might help alot.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/brakke123/blub.jpg
I'm taking a native language course in school, and a person in the class has it tatooed on their chest. The person identifies primarily as a Christian, but asserts that they are not a 'stereotypical' Christian, whatever that means. Since they are into native language (and therefore perhaps native culture as well), I don't think the white supremacist argument holds a lot of water...

Is it possible that it could be a symbol for 'Christian Anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism)'? That was something I thought about for a while. Especially since Christian Anarchists are by definition pacifists, so the incorporation of the peace sign makes some sense...

Black Dagger

4th February 2007, 19:14

Why don't ya ask this person what it means?

Red Heretic

4th February 2007, 21:42

I can say with certainty that it is a "National Anarchist" symbol. It is a mixture of the circle-a and the "white pride world-wide" symbol.

Look at this: http://***************/images/wplogo.gif

The "National Anarchists" are a trend among Nazis that rebelled against organizations like "National Vanguard" (the "vanguard of the white race"). It advocates "white revolution" without the leadership of a "white vanguard party."

bezdomni

4th February 2007, 21:43

The "A" is shifted right...perhaps it is a symbol for right-wing "anarchists"?

Red Heretic

4th February 2007, 21:48

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 09:43 pm
The "A" is shifted right...perhaps it is a symbol for right-wing "anarchists"?
LOL :lol:

Fawkes

4th February 2007, 21:49

It could just be an anarchy-A with an added two "A"s. If you look at it the right way, there is three "A"s.

OkaCrisis

4th February 2007, 22:58

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 04:49 pm
It could just be an anarchy-A with an added two "A"s. If you look at it the right way, there is three "A"s.
Quite a brilliant observation...

black rose: that would simply be too easy. But it may just come down to that in the end. Although I feel like I won't get an answer if I ask, and if I do get an answer, it might not be the truth.

Fawkes

4th February 2007, 23:00

Quite a brilliant observation...
:D :D

You guys know that the Celtic cross is not a racist symbol right? It's used by some WP groups, but it's not a racist symbol by itself, it's just a symbol of Christianity.

OkaCrisis

4th February 2007, 23:11

I'd just like to point out that historically, other cultures also make use of the crossed circle symbol without any fascistic connotations.

http://xnet.kp.org/permanentejournal/winter00pj/graphics/MedicineWheel.jpg

http://www.accs-ff.org/medicine%20wheel.jpg

And Fawkes, Christians first started using the Celtic Cross when trying to convert pagans to Christianity- combining pagan worship of the sun (the circle) with the cross. It can, therefore, be interpreted as intolerant of non-Christian cultures...

Fawkes

4th February 2007, 23:14

It's roots may be in religious intolerance, but not racism. I don't think it's use among WPs has been widespread enough for it to have become a racist symbol.

OkaCrisis

4th February 2007, 23:22

This is true.

Until today I had no idea of its conception as a racist symbol. It's actually a symbol that I like very much, one that I doodle a lot, and even have contemplated as a potential tattoo. This discussion doesn't really change any of that, but it's certainly better to know all possible interpretations of something that I mindlessly doodle around all over the place... Certainly before I ever get anything permanently inscribed on my body.

Red Heretic

6th February 2007, 00:23

Ok, but I'm telling you guys, I've seen this fucking thing before, and I've confronted these people.

National Anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-Anarchism)

Anton

6th February 2007, 02:46

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 11:00 pm

Quite a brilliant observation...
:D :D

You guys know that the Celtic cross is not a racist symbol right? It's used by some WP groups, but it's not a racist symbol by itself, it's just a symbol of Christianity.
The swastika was not initially a nazi symbol either...

Holy shit - National Anarchists? That is hilarious and sad at the same time...

Fawkes

6th February 2007, 02:50

I don't think it's use among WPs has been widespread enough for it to have become a racist symbol.

Forward Union

6th February 2007, 12:59

I think you may have drawn it wrong. Is it possible you mean this?

http://www.acs.bg/Tolerance_museum/9_2/Site/files/Projects/kartinki2/hate/americanfront.jpg

It's the logo of the "American Front" a neo-nazi group...

:unsure:

Fawkes

6th February 2007, 20:50

By the way, in my History of Modern Ireland class today, we were discussing the origin of the Celtic cross. The Celtic cross was first used by Patricia (St. Patrick) when he and his followers were travelling around Northern Ireland converting the many Celtic tuathas to Christianity. The cross part of the Celtic cross is pretty self-explanatory and is an obvious symbol of Christianity. The circle, however, represents something entirely different from Christianity. When Patricia was trying to convert the people of Ireland to Christianity, he wanted to make as easy of a transition from their previous religion to Christianity as possible. The ancient Celts were polytheists and one of their most important gods was a man named Óengus, the God of the Sun. He was among the highest ranking of all the gods, and the reason why is relatively obvious considering that Ireland is a very wet country and sunlight would be a very important thing to a society of mostly farmers. The circle represented Óengus and the sun, something very important to the Celts. By combining the sun with Christianity, Patricia was able to cast Christianity in a very good light (no pun intended). And that is how the Celtic cross came into existence. :)

Red October

6th February 2007, 21:00

in what context did you find this mystery symbol?

OkaCrisis

7th February 2007, 02:20

Love Underground: Close, but no cigar, it seems.

in what context did you find this mystery symbol?

Tattooed to someone's chest.

BD: Had class today, for the first 2 hours, I couldn't think of anything else but finding a discreet way to ask about it. The 3rd hour came and went, and it just slipped my mind. I was damning myself walking home, let me tell you.

I find it equally mysterious (compared to the mystery of the symbol itself) that no-one can say definitively where it is from, although Red Heretic seems pretty convinced...

Black Dagger

7th February 2007, 12:03

Originally posted by okacrisis
BD: Had class today, for the first 2 hours, I couldn't think of anything else but finding a discreet way to ask about it. The 3rd hour came and went, and it just slipped my mind. I was damning myself walking home, let me tell you.

Hehe, what about saying something like, 'hey X, what's the symbol on your chest represent? I think ive seen it before but i cant remember exactly', something like that?

Forward Union

7th February 2007, 17:36

If someone asked me what a symbol I was wearing or had on me meant I'd be pretty glad that someone cared.

so hurry up and ask.

Red October

7th February 2007, 21:13

yeah, you should just ask the person who has it tatooed on their chest. people with symbol tatoos generally know what it means. and if you know the person's political views you could probably infer its meaning.

Red Heretic

7th February 2007, 22:27

So where is round 1?

Nothing Human Is Alien

8th February 2007, 00:18

I wanna know how you even saw this thing? Was the guy sitting in class with his shirt off?

Fawkes

8th February 2007, 00:26

They were having sex.

Red Heretic

8th February 2007, 04:49

Don't have sex with neo-nazis.

bcbm

8th February 2007, 05:21

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 07, 2007 10:49 pm
Don't have sex with neo-nazis.
Or even talk about it, either...

Black Dagger

8th February 2007, 11:28

Wanna hug bcmc? :P

Idola Mentis

10th February 2007, 16:26

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 12:26 am
They were having sex.
Eww. Now I'll have flashbacks to "American History X" all day.

The cross in a circle is old enough to appear in stone age rock carvings. It's pretty clear that it represented the sun in various contexts. Both it and the swastica is sometimes called a "sunwheel" here in Norway, and the design is found in the wheels of much later ritual carriages which bore idols to and from cult sites. Quisling used it as one of the symbols of his party.

I agree that a symbol being grabbed by some cut-price nazis does not pollute four millenia of previous use. The Nazis are even using the Norwegian flag now, but I don't see the kingdom of Norway abandoning it because of that...

OkaCrisis

11th February 2007, 16:53

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 07, 2007 07:18 pm
I wanna know how you even saw this thing? Was the guy sitting in class with his shirt off?

Fawkes: Of course we were having sex.

In real life, I saw a picture of it on his myspace.

OkaCrisis

13th February 2007, 01:56

Originally posted by An [email protected] 04, 2007 01:13 pm
if you try to mix these two, you might also get that symbol.
Where did you see it? that might help alot.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/brakke123/blub.jpg
You're the winner! I asked him today and he said, "it's a mix of three symbols that mean peace and freedom: the anarchy A, the peace sign, and the Christian cross."

I'm happy he's not a closet fascist, seems like a pretty nice guy :)

Case closed.