Leftist Uniform!

[Jude]

Task:

Design a uniform for not just Anarchists, Communists, or Socialists, but for Left-Wing Activists in general.

[Black Dagger]

Uniforms? :huh:

I dont like the idea of discouraging creativity, but uniforms?

[JKP]

The conformity embodied in uniforms is something to be against.

[Xing]

Originally posted by black [email protected] 04, 2007 04:19 am
Uniforms? :huh:

I dont like the idea of discouraging creativity, but uniforms?
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. It's kind of like my idea to fake being a robotic, clueless, moron for a few years, and then displaying the reality of your intelligence, for the sake of making them feel like an idiot for supporting your idiotic, simple minded, plans.

[Jude]

Not like I'm gonna start making em or anything...

Just wanna see what people think!

[Black Dagger]

Well so far at least, i think people think uniforms are a decidedly bad idea ;)

[razboz]

Yeah i remember a thread about this a while ago. Most submissions were misty eyed tributes to the red army and similar.

[Jude]

Black Rose, do you ever say anything positive, or are you always this *****y?

[Coggeh]

maybe just a red thingy tied around ur arm .. or for anarchists a black and red one (~O_o)~

[Jude]

Coggy! Thank you for actually contributing SOMETHING!

[Pawn Power]

We don't want no fuckin' fascist uniform!

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PfascistsP.jpg

[Red October]

black block!

[which doctor]

conformism ftw!

[ZeroPain]

Heres some info on uniforms during the Spanish civil war...
http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/1936/...htm#Rep_Militia (http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/1936/painting_republicans.htm#Rep_Militia)



Uniforms are sometimes needed for utilitarian reasons and its only natural to try make them look decent.

[Hate Is Art]

A black and red armband is all that will ever be needed.

[An archist]

http://uk.games-workshop.com/imperialguard...sh%2Dpainter/1/ (http://uk.games-workshop.com/imperialguard/flash%2Dpainter/1/) ;)

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 01:48 am
Black Rose, do you ever say anything positive, or are you always this *****y?
Yeah sorry, i should have been supportive of leftist conformity, my bad :rolleyes:

Idiot.

[An archist]

a unifrom can be useful, so that you can easily identify the people who are on your side.
Like in a riot, it's allways easy to spot the black bloc. that sort of uniform.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 04, 2007 12:52 pm
A black and red armband is all that will ever be needed.
needed?

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by An archist+--> (An archist)a unifrom can be useful [/b]

Other than the riot example (which i think is flawed), when else are uniforms useful?


Originally posted by An [email protected]
so that you can easily identify the people who are on your side.

So to infiltrate all you have to do is put on the same uniform as everybody else and you'll be accepted as a comrade, that only sounds useful for the pigs.


An archist
Like in a riot, it's allways easy to spot the black bloc. that sort of uniform.

The blac bloc is NOT a uniform though, it's closer to a disguise than anything; the purpose is to provide anonymity.

Moreover, i think the topic starter means more than just people wearing the same colour (eg. black) when they say 'leftist uniform', you know what i mean?

[Jude]

Yup, its official! Black Rose is a pathological asshole! Kudos, Comrade!

[Black Dagger]

Only for you baby. :wub:

[Jude]

:wub: Awww... you're so sweet.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

egalitarianizm, you're not really contributing anything to this thread by making assertive statements about BD... Have you ever thought that BD's cynicism is well founded?

If you disagree then try arguing your point rather than making ad hominem attacks against BD...

If this topic becomes little more than *****ing I'll lock it, I'm not even sure if it belongs in graphics - I can see how graphics could pertain to the subject, but this seems mostly theoretical so perhaps it should be in something like practice?

[An archist]

Originally posted by Black Dagger+--> (Black Dagger)Other than the riot example (which i think is flawed), when else are uniforms useful?[/b]

in any other type of fight


Black Dagger
So to infiltrate all you have to do is put on the same uniform as everybody else and you'll be accepted as a comrade, that only sounds useful for the pigs.

:huh: You know that's not what I meant, a unifrom may be useful for certain types of combat (like open warfare or rioting), that's it.


The blac bloc is NOT a uniform though, it's closer to a disguise than anything; the purpose is to provide anonymity.

Yes, but it's latent effect is that the people of the black bloc recognize each other and can try to make a distinction between the peaceful protesters and the people who could back them up in the event of a collision with state forces or the fash.

of course, a general unifrom would be ridiculous, but in open combat it's good to know friend from foe, you don't have to look all the same, if everyone wears flashy, werid clothes that does the trick too, most of the time the opponent will be easily recognisible (cops and fash) so there is no need for a unifrom.

[Hate Is Art]

Originally posted by Pawn Power+February 04, 2007 06:20 pm--> (Pawn Power @ February 04, 2007 06:20 pm)
Digital [email protected] 04, 2007 12:52 pm
A black and red armband is all that will ever be needed.
needed? [/b]
As a uniform? I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.

Also, it's spelt uniform; not unifrom.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by Digital Nirvana+February 04, 2007 03:30 pm--> (Digital Nirvana @ February 04, 2007 03:30 pm)
Originally posted by Pawn [email protected] 04, 2007 06:20 pm

Digital [email protected] 04, 2007 12:52 pm
A black and red armband is all that will ever be needed.
needed?
As a uniform? I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.

Also, it's spelt uniform; not unifrom. [/b]
Why would a uniform be necessary?

[ZeroPain]

Leftist mechanics need a uniform that can take lots of grease and such...

;)

[Red October]

a uniform isnt really necessary. if you're taking part in an organized operation you should already know and be able to identify who is on your side and who isnt. if you want a "uniform" to show you're a leftist, just wear a leftist t-shirt or something.

[Fawkes]

I think a uniform would be unneeded in most situations, though something such as an armband just to make identification easier could have it's purpose.

[Honggweilo]

Communists already have loads of uniform already
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/images/ezine/redgard.jpg
Same counts for anarchists
http://www.toysfactory.co.jp/aquabats/images/aquabats.jpg
:lol:

[Fawkes]

Hahaha

[bezdomni]

Urban insurrection would be easier without uniforms.

[JKP]

While I think uniforms are unnecessary, military camouflage should probably be uniform as you don't want to misidentify friend and foe during a revolution. You could also have subdued "A in O" and star patches to show allegiance.

[Hate Is Art]

Originally posted by Pawn Power+February 04, 2007 08:42 pm--> (Pawn Power @ February 04, 2007 08:42 pm)
Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 04, 2007 03:30 pm

Originally posted by Pawn [email protected] 04, 2007 06:20 pm

Digital [email protected] 04, 2007 12:52 pm
A black and red armband is all that will ever be needed.
needed?
As a uniform? I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.

Also, it's spelt uniform; not unifrom.
Why would a uniform be necessary? [/b]
I'm saying it's not fucking nessescary to have a uniform. You. Fucking. Idiot.

[Black Dagger]

No need for the flame bro.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by Digital Nirvana+February 05, 2007 07:56 am--> (Digital Nirvana @ February 05, 2007 07:56 am)
Originally posted by Pawn [email protected] 04, 2007 08:42 pm

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 04, 2007 03:30 pm

Originally posted by Pawn [email protected] 04, 2007 06:20 pm

Digital [email protected] 04, 2007 12:52 pm
A black and red armband is all that will ever be needed.
needed?
As a uniform? I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.

Also, it's spelt uniform; not unifrom.
Why would a uniform be necessary?
I'm saying it's not fucking nessescary to have a uniform. You. Fucking. Idiot. [/b]
:(

Sorry, you miss understood me.

Why is a "armband," which is a type or form of regalia needed.

[Forward Union]

This is a terrible idea, for the same reason dressing like a punk is a bad idea. As soon as you all start to dress one way, you become a freakshow. Similar to a cult.

People that agree with the politics would be alienated by the fact that, if they admit it, would mean they have to dress like a prat.

[Anton]

Besides being completely unnecessary at this point, uniforms would like hurt us more by playign into that whole cappie-propaganda of "leftists want to make all poelpe look the same, etc."

[Tower of Bebel]

Our uniforms are the clothes we wear!

[Comrade J]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/comrade-j/uniform.jpg

[welshred]

:D
nice!

[Kurt Crover]

I like that apart from one thing, try to guess what it is :D

[razboz]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 05, 2007 05:37 pm
This is a terrible idea, for the same reason dressing like a punk is a bad idea. As soon as you all start to dress one way, you become a freakshow. Similar to a cult.

People that agree with the politics would be alienated by the fact that, if they admit it, would mean they have to dress like a prat.
You know what, that's the truest word i have heard in a long time LU.

However looking like apunk or a skin does include you ina tightly knit subculture that will support you in many large cities. It acts as a kind of sign of alleigance that can be usefull in some situations.

But back on the uniform ideas i think that uniforms are darned silly ideas. You wont get me into one at any rate...

[Eleutherios]

How about this uniform? :D
http://www.ojaniemi.com/art/00teos_Kuva/T_2002Alastonhenkilo.jpg

[Anton]

i'd wear it,
where do I hide my weapons though? in my ass?

[Fawkes]

Wouldn't wearing uniforms just show the enemy who the target is?

[Simon]

Maybe...
But do you know friendly fire?

[Fawkes]

Yeah, that's why I think there should be some form of identification, though more subtle than an all out uniform.

[welshred]

maybe a badge or patch?

[Red October]

badges and patches are hard to pick out at a distance. any gear worn in combat should fit the situation, so wearing generic combat fatigues might make some sense, though it wouldnt be needed to make sure everyone wears the same sort of gear. if you're fighting in snowy conditions it only makes sense to wear clothes that blend in, not as a conformist thing, but as a practical matter.

[Black Dagger]

In reality these decisions will be made by the people when the time comes, and there won't be a central authority saying, 'hey wear this!' People will decide what their 'uniforms', if any, will look like :)

[welshred]

Yep, you will be easier to be indentified which is good for other comrades but also bad if the police and other law enforcement agencies are looking for a certain group of people.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

like totally moved to practice dudes

[Red October]

its always best to be able to blend in with the populace if you're doing something in urban areas or other similiar places. armbands can be easily and quickly removed from regular civilian clothing and are pretty easy to see from a distance.

[Forward Union]

Let me expand on what I said earlier.

I oppose the idea of a leftist uniform, or even a culturally identifiable dress code for probably a million reasons.

As soon as we adopt a dress pattern, we become a stereotype. If I ask you what an anarchist looks like, you might think; 'Spiked mohawk, leather jacket, torn trousers' ..if I asked you what a socialist looked like, you might think 'about 15 years old, che t-shirt, skateboard'. The point is, we become a novelty.

Furthermore, if for example, you were to gain some media attention for an action or whatever, you would be picked out as "radical leftists" identifiable by your uniform, not as ordinary people, but members of some strange sub culture. It gives people the impression that our actions are part of our lifestyle, and dress code. In other words, they don't think you can relate to them economically/socialliy, because you're portrayed as being a different 'class' of people.

I find that, even if someone agrees, fully, with your political beliefs, if you dress like a cliche leftist, you know that in the back of their mind, they don't want to become part of that sub category.

So I think that as shallow as it is, we should actively try to look as much like "most people" as possible.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 07, 2007 04:45 pm
Let me expand on what I said earlier.

I oppose the idea of a leftist uniform, or even a culturally identifiable dress code for probably a million reasons.

As soon as we adopt a dress pattern, we become a stereotype. If I ask you what an anarchist looks like, you might think; 'Spiked mohawk, leather jacket, torn trousers' ..if I asked you what a socialist looked like, you might think 'about 15 years old, che t-shirt, skateboard'. The point is, we become a novelty.

Furthermore, if for example, you were to gain some media attention for an action or whatever, you would be picked out as "radical leftists" identifiable by your uniform, not as ordinary people, but members of some strange sub culture. It gives people the impression that our actions are part of our lifestyle, and dress code. In other words, they don't think you can relate to them economically/socialliy, because you're portrayed as being a different 'class' of people.

I find that, even if someone agrees, fully, with your political beliefs, if you dress like a cliche leftist, you know that in the back of their mind, they don't want to become part of that sub category.

So I think that as shallow as it is, we should actively try to look as much like "most people" as possible.
i dont see anything wrong with wearing a shirt with a political message. most of the shirts i own have some sort of leftist graphic on them, and thats just the way i like to dress. i think its great to wear clothing with a leftist message as long as you understand what it means and can explain to to people who ask about it. wearing a t-shirt with some sort of leftist graphic is a great way to start a dialogue and educate others about it. thats not to say everyone should do it, but it is one way of getting the message out.

[UndergroundConnexion]

The Leftist Clothing Style idea is dumb shit... absolutely irrelevant. Inforces the stereotype of "long haired, che guevara badge etc. etc.". Who gives a shit what you wear, i wear lacoste sometimes, sometimes ecko , absolutely not rellevant to the cause..

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 11:22 pm
Task:

Design a uniform for not just Anarchists, Communists, or Socialists, but for Left-Wing Activists in general.
I think mandatory beards would be better, I mean look at all the past revolutionaries, Marx, Kropotkin, Che, all had beards, therefore, every Leftist should have a full grown beard (yes, even you ladies!).

:P

This thread is ridiculous.

[rebel_heart]

http://www.politikokafeneio.com/dse/Meros83_Photo1_small.jpg

http://www.kne.gr/festival/2days/15/mainColumnParagraphs/05/image/image6.jpg

there you go some old pics of greek rebels

[An archist]

damn, LU, you really got a point.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 09, 2007 10:09 pm
damn, LU, you really got a point.
Well, I have to admit im pretty guilty of dressing like a leftist. But I don't buy clothes that often, and have decided that from now on, the clothes I do buy will be plain, and by most measurements "ordinary"

Despite the fact that I quite like 'the leftist' look. :(

[Fawkes]

Why change your style just because people will label you?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Fawkes+February 10, 2007 09:02 pm--> (Fawkes @ February 10, 2007 09:02 pm) Why change your style just because people will label you? [/b]

love Underground
Let me expand on what I said earlier.

I oppose the idea of a leftist uniform, or even a culturally identifiable dress code for probably a million reasons.

As soon as we adopt a dress pattern, we become a stereotype. If I ask you what an anarchist looks like, you might think; 'Spiked mohawk, leather jacket, torn trousers' ..if I asked you what a socialist looked like, you might think 'about 15 years old, che t-shirt, skateboard'. The point is, we become a novelty.

Furthermore, if for example, you were to gain some media attention for an action or whatever, you would be picked out as "radical leftists" identifiable by your uniform, not as ordinary people, but members of some strange sub culture. It gives people the impression that our actions are part of our lifestyle, and dress code. In other words, they don't think you can relate to them economically/socialliy, because you're portrayed as being a different 'class' of people.

I find that, even if someone agrees, fully, with your political beliefs, if you dress like a cliche leftist, you know that in the back of their mind, they don't want to become part of that sub category.

So I think that as shallow as it is, we should actively try to look as much like "most people" as possible.

[Fawkes]

Good point. Actually, I did the same thing when I cut off my dreads because I was sick of being labelled as a stoner.

[keelan]

i think it may be improtant to wear something to camouflage yourself in some kind of combat situation, but if your just walkin down the street t seems kind of pointless to wear a uniform

[Question everything]

if there was a revolution, then local organizations would fight with identifing equipment, but it should be done locally, to confuse the Cops... or maybe we should all just wear red :P

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

This is what I wear every single day

http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/hsc/evrev/img/00207407.jpg