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R_P_A_S
2nd February 2007, 23:11
I got this from an other forum. what do you guys think about Serena Williams comments?
I think I know. but I just can't seem to articulate it....


Subj: Serena's Interview

-Ms. Williams we are all interested in your new boyfriend.

There is no new boyfriend. I stopped playing with boys when I stopped dating black guys. I have a new man in my life and yes, he's white.

- So you prefer to date white men instead of black guys?

let's be real. If you are a successful black female you only have two choices....date outside of your race or date other successful black females.

-Are you saying there are no successful black men to date?

Of course not but lets face it, if Oprah would date outside of her race she would be married with children now. The state of most black men is so low the only thing you can do is love them. Like a poor homeless dog. You can't expect it to protect you. You can only offer shelter and love and watch as our neighbor's pitbull protects his home and family. I, unlike Oprah, am not forced to stay within those boundaries.

I was born into a new generation of black women.

-So Oprah is being forced to date Stedman?

All I can say is when you find a successful black women who is not married and does not have children it is because they refuse to accept the two choices.

Some may go as far as marriage to a black guy but they realize divorce is inevitable so they do not have children. Or they have children with one and don't marry in order to preserve their wealth and good credit.

Oprah is one of many who silently protests being stuck with such poor choices by refusing to marry and reproduce but you can see how much it hurts her. She's always giving away money to children's charities.

I hope she makes the choice to marry a non-black soon so she can have a child of her own.

-But you have decided to accept the two choices?

Yes. I grew up in California around the two extremes of wealth. If I could only get myself to try the bisexual thing I would have been much happier in my relationships. Instead I dated black men. I loved many of them but they were just not suitable for marriage. Many of them were raised by women and had warped mentalities. So I finally had to date outside my race. When I moved to Miami, I accepted my status and dated men on my level.

-What do you mean by warped mentalities?

Well, where do I begin? Many of them were raised predominantly by women and had this feminine/bisexual complex. Where they wanted to be treated like a female sometimes. For example, I would have the money & they would have the sex. I would teach them things. You know, all the things a woman likes a man to do, I would end up doing for them. Then if we would get into an argument, there would be a role reversal. All of a sudden, they would be the man wanting the respect of a king in his castle.

Black men over the years have become less and less of value to black women both rich and poor. I predict in 10 years they will be obsolete. Now they serve little to no function and what little they can do, they don't want to do.

Why 10 years?

That's when going to a fertility clinic to get impregnated by a sperm donor will become as common and accessible as the flu shot. Women who want sex will do it with whoever they want (girl, guy, rich, poor, white,black)and go to the bank (the sperm bank) when they are ready to have children. Even those who waited (like Oprah) will have fertilized eggs placed inVitro.

That's the day the secret organization of women is waiting for. The day when men are 100% dis-empowered.

-Are you apart of that organization?

No. They're a mostly white group. Plus that day for black men is practically here already. Black women are already raising 75% of the black population without a man. When fertility clinics become more affordable Black women will be standing in line. It will be just like plastic surgery.

Everyone laughed at Michael Jackson but its becoming so popular now,that even poor blacks are getting work done...mostly breast reductions and liposuction.

-So do you want men to be dis-empowered?

Heck, no! That's why I am with a white man now. I want a man to be a man and I am not going to settle for less just to stay within racial boundaries.

A Black man in my position wouldn't do it so why should I. Don't get me wrong, I love black men. My father is black, I have dated black men all my life, and if I have a male child he will be part black.

But my husband and I will raise him together so hopefully he will be a worthy choice for a worthy black female. Not the only choice, or "there's nothing better out there so I'll settle for this" choice. When you are successful you want the best. The best food, clothes, places to live etc. I want the best man also.

-And you think the best man is a non-black man?

I think if there's a better choice for me, God would have shown me. I am in the public so I get to meet lots of people from all over the world athletes, celebs etc.

I am wealthy so I am invited and have traveled to the most prestigious events all over the world. Out of all those people, places and events....I had to choose the right man for me.

Like it or not (with very few exceptions) a white man is the only real choice for a successful black female.

YSR
3rd February 2007, 00:38
Interesting. The price of fame, celebrity, and money seems to have been to give up her identity and construct a white identity. Notice how she talks about how black women, poor and rich, need a white man. And yet she continually talks about being a "successful" black woman. She's acting in a very white fashion, universalizing her feelings as the normative experience.

Very "warped," as she says.

dannthraxxx
3rd February 2007, 11:15
what, the fuck.


that is really disturbing.

Luís Henrique
3rd February 2007, 12:55
Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 03, 2007 12:38 am
She's acting in a very white fashion, universalizing her feelings as the normative experience.
"universalising" one's "feelings as the normative experience" is a "white" thing to do?

Weird.

Luís Henrique

Black Dagger
3rd February 2007, 13:32
Originally posted by Luís Henrique+February 03, 2007 10:55 pm--> (Luís Henrique @ February 03, 2007 10:55 pm)
Young Stupid [email protected] 03, 2007 12:38 am
She's acting in a very white fashion, universalizing her feelings as the normative experience.
"universalising" one's "feelings as the normative experience" is a "white" thing to do?

Weird.

Luís Henrique [/b]
Yes, now can we move on to abolishing white supremacy?

Luís Henrique
3rd February 2007, 14:41
Originally posted by black [email protected] 03, 2007 01:32 pm
Yes, now can we move on to abolishing white supremacy?
Sure.

Does the fact that we now have a rich, bourgeois, female, black tennis player help us to the end of such abolition?

Or "rich" and "bourgeois" have something to do with the issue?

Luís Henrique

Luís Henrique
3rd February 2007, 14:44
Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 03, 2007 12:38 am
The price of fame, celebrity, and money seems to have been to give up her identity
What "identity"?

She is a rich woman, the working class and the "black race" can screw themselves.

Luís Henrique

RevMARKSman
3rd February 2007, 15:47
The price of fame, celebrity, and money seems to have been to give up her identity and construct a white identity.

And so only white women can marry white men? She's racist. But not only did Luis raise the point about generalizing being a "white" thing to do, you think she must identify as white because she thinks black men are weak and wants to marry a white man.

Doesn't that just make her racist and sexist? Or do only white women want to marry white men as some sort of "inherent instinct"? :rolleyes:

And what the fuck is "acting in a very white fashion" anyway?

SPK
3rd February 2007, 17:40
This interview is a fake. Serena Williams denied ever doing it; it never appeared in a publication; and the source or interviewer is never identified: Urban Legends (http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_serena_williams.htm?terms=breast+reduction+surg ery). It has nothing to do with Williams, and everything to do with contradictions within the African-American communities: questions around interracial relationships and dating, gender roles and sexuality, family structures, the deteriorating situation for black workers, and so on.

These debates, rather than being discussed in a scientific, objective way, have been simply displaced and projected onto a pop-culture star through this imaginary interview. It is a particularly noxious form of ideology.

La Comédie Noire
3rd February 2007, 18:35
Oh thank the reveloutionarys it's fake! That was really disturbing. :(

Reuben
3rd February 2007, 19:14
its fake but it does raise some extremely interesting issues.

Most notably it demonstrates that through the complex interactions of gender with other social variables - ie race and class - masculinity can act not only as a mechanism for oppressing women but also certain groups of men. WHile the interview is fake, the attacks she isalleged to have made on black males coincide with a common image of black and working class men as men as failed 'providers'. Such an attack is not only routed in their racial identity or economic position, but is also a *gendered* attack since it refers to expectations they are allegedly failing to fulfill as men.

YSR
3rd February 2007, 23:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 09:47 am
Doesn't that just make her racist and sexist? Or do only white women want to marry white men as some sort of "inherent instinct"? :rolleyes:


No.

Her (apparently untrue) words indicate that she is anti-black. She's (hypothetically) really rich and trying to get the last privilege that she's denied as a black woman, that of being white.


And what the fuck is "acting in a very white fashion" anyway?

Acting in the interests of upholding white privilege.