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Black Dagger
2nd February 2007, 15:07
Gay + Iraqi = Dead
By Doug Ireland, TomPaine.com

Posted on February 1, 2007, Printed on February 1, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/47457/

The following was written for Gay City News -- New York's largest gay weekly -- and appears in its current issue, published last week.

For the very first time, an official United Nations human rights report released last week has confirmed the "violent campaigns" against Iraqi gays and the "assassinations of homosexuals in Iraq."

"Attacks on homosexuals and intolerance of homosexual practices have long existed, yet they have escalated in the past year," says the latest bi-monthly Human Rights Report of the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq (UNAMI), released on January 16. "Islamic groups and militias have been known to be particularly hostile towards homosexuals, frequently and openly engaging in violent campaigns against them. There have been a number of assassinations of homosexuals in Iraq," the report says.

Including a section entitled "Sexual Orientation" for the first time, the 30-page report goes on to say that the UNAMI Human Rights Office "was also alerted to the existence of religious courts, supervised by clerics, where alleged homosexuals would be 'tried,' 'sentenced' to death, and then executed."

"The trials, presided over by young, inexperienced clerics, are held ... in ordinary halls. Gays and rapists face anything from 40 lashes to the death penalty," the UNAMI report says, citing a report by the Institute for War and Peace Reporting, adding: "One of the self-appointed judges in Sadr City believes that homosexuality is on the wane in Iraq. 'Most [gays] have been killed and others have fled,' he said. Indeed, the number who have sought asylum in the U.K. has risen noticeably over the last few months ... [This judge] insists the religious courts have 'a lot to be proud of. We now represent a society that asked us to protect it not only from thieves and terrorists but also from these [bad] deeds.'"

Among a number of assassinations detailed in the UNAMI report, it says that "at least five homosexual males were reported to have been kidnapped from Shaab area in the first week in December by one of the main militias. Their personal documents and information contained in computers were also confiscated. The mutilated body of Amjad, one of the kidnapped, appeared in the same area after a few days."

Gay City News first broke the story about the systematic murder of Iraqi gays last March. The Badr Corps -- the military arm of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), the country's most powerful Shiite political group -- launched a campaign of "sexual cleansing," marshaling death squads to exterminate homosexuality, following a "death to gays" fatwa issued in October 2005 by Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the 77-year-old chief spiritual leader of all Iraqi Shiite Muslims.

Late last year, the Badr Corps -- whose members up until then had been paid their salaries by Iran -- was integrated into the Iraqi national police under the Ministry of the Interior, and its death squad members now have full police powers and wear police uniforms, which they don to carry out murders of gays.

Death squads of the Mahdi Army, the armed militia under the control of fundamentalist Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, have also carried out assassinations of gays.

The UNAMI report says that, "The current environment of impunity and lawlessness invites a heightened level of insecurity for homosexuals in Iraq."

One can get a vivid idea of that climate from a conversation this reporter, through a translator, recently had with Hussein, 32, a gay man living with his married brother's family in Baghdad.

"I've been living in a state of fear for the last year since Ayatollah Sistani issued that fatwa, in which he even encouraged families to kill their sons and brothers if they do not change their gay behavior," he said. "My brother, who has been under pressure and threats from Sistani's followers about me, has threatened to harm me himself, or even kill me, if I show any signs of gayness."

Hussein had already lost his job in a photo lab because the shop owner did not want people to think that he was supporting a gay man.

"Now I'm very self-conscious about my look and the way I dress -- I try to play it safe," said Hussein, who is slightly effeminate. "Several times I was followed in the street and beaten just because I had a nice, cool haircut that looked feminine to them. Now I just shave my head."

Indeed, even the way one dresses is enough to get a gay Iraqi killed.

"Just the fact of looking neat and clean, let alone looking elegant and well groomed, is very dangerous for a gay person," Hussein said. "So now I don't wear nice clothes, so that no one would even suspect that I'm gay. I now only leave home if I want to get food."

One of Hussein's best friends, Haydar, was not long ago found shot in the back of the head at a deserted ranch outside the city. "Some say he was shot by a family member in an act of honor killing; some say he was shot by those so-called death squads," Hussein said. "Everyone says it's easy these days to get away with killing gays, since there is no law and order here."

All Hussein thinks about is getting out of Iraq.

"Things were bad under Saddam for gays," he said, "but not as bad as now. Then, no one feared for their lives. Now, you can be gotten rid of at any time."

The UNAMI report was hailed for its recognition of the plight of Iraqi gays by Ali Hili, a 32-year-old Iraqi gay man in exile in the United Kingdom who is coordinator of the London-based Iraqi LGBT group, which has a network of supporters and informants throughout Iraq who have helped document the sexual cleansing campaigns targeting homosexuals.

Speaking from London, Hili told me that the UNAMI report helps show how "the new Iraq is denying the right of every homosexual human being to exist and suppressing them ever since the invasion, and it gets worse every day."

The work of the Iraqi LGBT group was cited in the UNAMI report, which noted that "26 of their members have been killed since 2003. This includes the murders in 2006 of two minors, 11-year-old Ameer and 14-year-old Ahmed, because of their alleged sexual orientation -- even though both were reportedly forced into child prostitution. Another two young women were murdered in Najaf."

A request to the U.S. Department of Defense press office in the Pentagon for comment on the UNAMI report went unreturned. In the past, Hili and the Iraqi LGBT group have reported that when gays went to U.S. occupying authorities in Baghdad's Green Zone requesting protection, they were treated with contempt and derision.

To help support Iraqi gays, or for more information, go to Iraqi GLBT's Web site.

Doug Ireland writes the blog, Direland.
© 2007 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
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Messiah
2nd February 2007, 15:49
And so, freedom marches on. Don't it taste good, Iraq? Mmmm.

Tragic, pathetic, sickening...what can one say? Things are bad in war zones for anyone, but especially for minorities of any sort.

Cheung Mo
3rd February 2007, 01:54
This is why Chavez must not deal with Iran. Islamist (and Hell, Zionist) fucks are our enemies: Just like they were in Iran and in Afghanistan.

manic expression
3rd February 2007, 04:16
Yeah, sadly enough this is hardly surprising at all. The fate of homosexuals, women who don't cover their face, minorities (there is a LOT of racism, even to the point were African-American soldiers are being targeted first and foremost by some insurgent groups) and anyone who someone has a problem with (read: just about everyone) is almost a given at this point.

Black Dagger
3rd February 2007, 07:32
I've moved this thread back to the politics forum.

Please do not move it again.

This is not a theoretical discussion about homophobia, it is as the politics forum description states:

"news from around the world and how this effects our struggle against capitalism and oppression."

The operation of groups supported by many members of this forum in the name of 'anti-imperialism' needs to be discussed, but not as ghettoised 'gay rights' issue or simply a discussion of homophobia, the issue is much broader than that like the forum description states, how 'this effects our struggle against capitalism and oppression."' Who we support, who we dont, or what kind of support we choose to give.

grove street
3rd February 2007, 11:11
Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 03, 2007 01:54 am
This is why Chavez must not deal with Iran. Islamist (and Hell, Zionist) fucks are our enemies: Just like they were in Iran and in Afghanistan.
Your right Iran does have lots of faults and injustices, but the people of Iran deserve protection from U.S imperalism. Denying the people protection/help because of the acts of their government is not an attack against the government , but an attack against the people. Just look at Palestian and all the people suffering there because of the sactions that were placed, when Hamas was voted in office, but refused to recognise Israel. The sactions have done nothing, but strenghthen Hamas and make Palestinan lives even worse.

The Iranian theocracy is a dying regime, it's hated by the majority of youth in Iran who make up the majority of the country. The regime will eventually out live it'self when the youth come of age and take power. By not defending Iran from U.S imperalism, you are denying the youth of Iran their future country, because their country will be in the hands of Haliburton and corporate America in general.

Enragé
3rd February 2007, 11:25
Originally posted by grove street+February 03, 2007 11:11 am--> (grove street @ February 03, 2007 11:11 am)
Cheung [email protected] 03, 2007 01:54 am
This is why Chavez must not deal with Iran. Islamist (and Hell, Zionist) fucks are our enemies: Just like they were in Iran and in Afghanistan.
Your right Iran does have lots of faults and injustices, but the people of Iran deserve protection from U.S imperalism. Denying the people protection/help because of the acts of their government is not an attack against the government , but an attack against the people. Just look at Palestian and all the people suffering there because of the sactions that were placed, when Hamas was voted in office, but refused to recognise Israel. The sactions have done nothing, but strenghthen Hamas and make Palestinan lives even worse.

The Iranian theocracy is a dying regime, it's hated by the majority of youth in Iran who make up the majority of the country. The regime will eventually out live it'self when the youth come of age and take power. By not defending Iran from U.S imperalism, you are denying the youth of Iran their future country, because their country will be in the hands of Haliburton and corporate America in general. [/b]
i have to agree

if Iran isnt protected from US imperialism lots of Iranians will perish, including homosexuals.

Luís Henrique
3rd February 2007, 13:36
Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 03, 2007 01:54 am
This is why Chavez must not deal with Iran. Islamist (and Hell, Zionist) fucks are our enemies: Just like they were in Iran and in Afghanistan.
Good grief.

But should Chávez deal with the United States? With Brazil? With Canada, perhaps?!

Luís Henrique

Black Dagger
3rd February 2007, 13:54
Originally posted by grove street+--> (grove street)The regime will eventually out live it'self when the youth come of age and take power. [/b]

And then what?

Are the 'youth of Iran' social revolutionaries?

What will be the difference between now Iran and Iran run by the 'youth'? How do you know what the differnences will be? What are you basing it on?

Generational change is meaningless if its just more social conservatism (read: heterosexism, patriarchy etc.) and religion (they regularly come hand in hand); saying 'but... there'll be a young ruling class' is like saying, 'but... you'll ha've got a 'nice' slave driver!' It's still a fuckin' boss.


Originally posted by grove [email protected]

By not defending Iran from U.S imperalism, you are denying the youth of Iran their future country, because their country will be in the hands of Haliburton and corporate America in general.

You dont see to have any belief in the exploited and oppressed peoples of Iran :unsure:

Implicit to your argument is that the working class of Iran is somehow (???) incapable of liberating itself whilst under a more capitalistic economy...

Which in practice of coruse means support the current theocractic regime <_<

Why?

Because if we don&#39;t the Iranian working class will somehow be neutralised by transnational corporations, and the people will be doomed to be the subjects of an aged ruling class; i don&#39;t buy it.


NKOS
If Iran isnt protected from US imperialism lots of Iranians will perish, including homosexuals.

A lot of Iranians already perishing because of the current regime, ESPECIALLY queers&#33;


Afdhere Jama, editor of Huriyah, an e-zine for Queer Muslims, said his contacts in Iran affirm that the two youths hung in Mashad were lovers.

“The first day I found out, I called my Iranian contacts from Huriyah,” Jama said. “All agreed on the fact that these boys were murdered for being queer. One of my contacts who has been to gay parties in Mashad swears the boys were long-term lovers, and another source told me one of the boys’ family members outed the couple.”

This reporter has also had e-mail correspondence over the last 10 days with the editors in Teheran of an Iranian underground publication for Iranian gays—who asked that neither their names nor the name of their publication be cited, as they are fearful of the heightened repressive atmosphere for gay and lesbian people there. They, too, assert the rape charge was trumped up and that the two executed youths were lovers.

And other anonymous sources in Iran are suggesting the hangings may well have been a legally-disguised “honor killing,” which in Islamic cultures is frequently inflicted by families on their own kin who have engaged in same-sex relations.
http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_432/iranian...esquestion.html (http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_432/iraniansourcesquestion.html)

These two men - both of whom were minors at the time of their alledged crime - the younger being 14/15 - have been confirmed as being a couple, and they were executed, is it just a coincidence that same-sex relationships are illegal and punishable by death in Iran? That over 4000 gay people have been executed in Iran since the revolution? All for &#39;rape&#39; no doubt.

Luís Henrique
3rd February 2007, 14:13
Originally posted by black [email protected] 03, 2007 01:54 pm
A lot of Iranians already perishing because of the current regime, ESPECIALLY queers&#33;&#33;&#33;
And, yet, the same is happening in "liberated", "free", "democratic", Iraq.

Imperialism is about assymetry; the United States (and Europe, and Japan) do not "imperialise" third world countries to turn them into westernlike consumerist paradises.

Much on the contrary, their prefered interlocutors here are the Pinochets, Somozas, and Musharrafs of the world.

Luís Henrique

Black Dagger
3rd February 2007, 14:17
Originally posted by Luís Henrique+--> (Luís Henrique)And, yet, the same is happening in "liberated", "free", "democratic", Iraq.[/b]

Exactly, meaningful liberation will not come from a new national ruling class.*


Luís Henrique

Imperialism is about assymetry; the United States (and Europe, and Japan) do not "imperialise" third world countries to turn them into westernlike consumerist paradises.

Much on the contrary, their prefered interlocutors here are the Pinochets, Somozas, and Musharrafs of the world.


Totally agree.



*Leo would be proud :lol:

Enragé
3rd February 2007, 14:29
A lot of Iranians already perishing because of the current regime, ESPECIALLY queers&#33;


no shit, but that isnt the point now is it.

The point is that under the current circumstances opposing US agression against Iran, and thereby implicitly supporting the Iranian regime, is the best thing to do for the people in Iran since as you said


meaningful liberation will not come from a new national ruling class.*

Hate Is Art
3rd February 2007, 14:40
Your right Iran does have lots of faults and injustices, but the people of Iran deserve protection from U.S imperalism. Denying the people protection/help because of the acts of their government is not an attack against the government , but an attack against the people.

We should support the leftist workers of Iran, not the government. I don&#39;t give a shit about their extremist religious government, or even if it&#39;s dieing to be replaced with the &#39;youth&#39; unless the youth are promoting a leftist agenda for change then they will still be oppressed.

Xiao Banfa
3rd February 2007, 20:55
I think gay rights will take a long time to come into fruition in Iraq.
Practically all parties and organizations have a homophobic stance.

We shouldn&#39;t give the opportunist Sadr any support. His first loyalty is to his wacky Shia "I am the Mahdi" bullshit.

He&#39;s not interested first and foremost in kicking out the americans. He straddles the divide between being anti-US and co-operating with the mafia government.

I&#39;d say he&#39;s more interested in getting his pussy millitias to slit sunni throats.

The Islamic Army in Iraq and The underground Ba&#39;ath Party as well as (sensible) leftists are the elements of the resistance we should be supporting.

Moqtada Sadr has successfully manipulated a lot of people into believing he is a reliable anti-imperialist when he is more interested in his sectarian religious goals.

He is a fucking rattlesnake who shouldn&#39;t be trusted.

grove street
4th February 2007, 06:26
Originally posted by black rose+February 03, 2007 01:54 pm--> (black rose @ February 03, 2007 01:54 pm)
Originally posted by grove street+--> (grove street)The regime will eventually out live it&#39;self when the youth come of age and take power. [/b]

And then what?

Are the &#39;youth of Iran&#39; social revolutionaries?

What will be the difference between now Iran and Iran run by the &#39;youth&#39;? How do you know what the differnences will be? What are you basing it on?

Generational change is meaningless if its just more social conservatism (read: heterosexism, patriarchy etc.) and religion (they regularly come hand in hand); saying &#39;but... there&#39;ll be a young ruling class&#39; is like saying, &#39;but... you&#39;ll ha&#39;ve got a &#39;nice&#39; slave driver&#33;&#39; It&#39;s still a fuckin&#39; boss.


grove [email protected]

By not defending Iran from U.S imperalism, you are denying the youth of Iran their future country, because their country will be in the hands of Haliburton and corporate America in general.

You dont see to have any belief in the exploited and oppressed peoples of Iran :unsure:

Implicit to your argument is that the working class of Iran is somehow (???) incapable of liberating itself whilst under a more capitalistic economy...

Which in practice of coruse means support the current theocractic regime <_<

Why?

Because if we don&#39;t the Iranian working class will somehow be neutralised by transnational corporations, and the people will be doomed to be the subjects of an aged ruling class; i don&#39;t buy it.


NKOS
If Iran isnt protected from US imperialism lots of Iranians will perish, including homosexuals.

A lot of Iranians already perishing because of the current regime, ESPECIALLY queers&#33;


Afdhere Jama, editor of Huriyah, an e-zine for Queer Muslims, said his contacts in Iran affirm that the two youths hung in Mashad were lovers.

“The first day I found out, I called my Iranian contacts from Huriyah,” Jama said. “All agreed on the fact that these boys were murdered for being queer. One of my contacts who has been to gay parties in Mashad swears the boys were long-term lovers, and another source told me one of the boys’ family members outed the couple.”

This reporter has also had e-mail correspondence over the last 10 days with the editors in Teheran of an Iranian underground publication for Iranian gays—who asked that neither their names nor the name of their publication be cited, as they are fearful of the heightened repressive atmosphere for gay and lesbian people there. They, too, assert the rape charge was trumped up and that the two executed youths were lovers.

And other anonymous sources in Iran are suggesting the hangings may well have been a legally-disguised “honor killing,” which in Islamic cultures is frequently inflicted by families on their own kin who have engaged in same-sex relations.
http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_432/iranian...esquestion.html (http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_432/iraniansourcesquestion.html)

These two men - both of whom were minors at the time of their alledged crime - the younger being 14/15 - have been confirmed as being a couple, and they were executed, is it just a coincidence that same-sex relationships are illegal and punishable by death in Iran? That over 4000 gay people have been executed in Iran since the revolution? All for &#39;rape&#39; no doubt. [/b]
The majority of youth in Iran are pro secular, Iran is already a Captalist country and wherethere it will remain Captalist or become Socialist is up to the people of Iran and not us, but it&#39;s important to know that the majority of anti-government/pro secular movements are leftist. Iran has a long history of leftist pro Socialist movements, the Iranain revolution was originally a Communist revolution before it was hijacked by the Mullahs.

The majority of people in Iran may hate their government, but they hate America even more and are willing to do anything to protect their country from U.S invasion even if it means siding with the government. Iranians know first hand what it is like to live under U.S imperalism, when they lived under the U.S puppet Shah, leader of one of the most brutal dictatorships ever known in modern Middle Eastern history making the current theocracy look like a paradise. This is why Iranians fought so bravely against America&#39;s puppet Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war, a million Iranians sacrificed their lives fighting against U.S imperalism and I&#39;m sure that another million are willing to do the same thing if America invades.

The occasionaly gay being executed every few times a year is nothing to the massive amounts of lives that will be lost if America decideds to invade Iran.

Severian
4th February 2007, 09:35
Originally posted by Tino [email protected] 03, 2007 02:55 pm
We shouldn&#39;t give the opportunist Sadr any support. His first loyalty is to his wacky Shia "I am the Mahdi" bullshit.

He&#39;s not interested first and foremost in kicking out the americans. He straddles the divide between being anti-US and co-operating with the mafia government.

I&#39;d say he&#39;s more interested in getting his pussy millitias to slit sunni throats.

The Islamic Army in Iraq and The underground Ba&#39;ath Party as well as (sensible) leftists are the elements of the resistance we should be supporting.
Oh, so instead of supporting the Shi&#39;a militia that is cutting Sunni throats we should support the Sunni militia that is cutting Shi&#39;a throats. Yup, Washington&#39;s divide-and-conquer operation is working great. Maybe unintentionally, but they&#39;ve managed to get most of the Muslim world at each other&#39;s throats.

Obviously both groups of sectarians are more interested in their conflict with each other than in opposing the occupation. May I remind you that it&#39;s the Sunni "resistance" which began the mass killings of people for belonging to the wrong sect and eventually succeeded in provoking Shi&#39;a retaliation.

No, it&#39;s not in the interest of the working class to support any group of sectarian mass-murderers: we need to promote class unity.


The occasionaly gay being executed every few times a year is nothing to the massive amounts of lives that will be lost if America decideds to invade Iran.

What makes these two things counterposed? Executing gay people does not exactly strengthen the defense of Iran from imperialism; the reverse is true.

Luís Henrique
4th February 2007, 11:23
Originally posted by grove [email protected] 04, 2007 06:26 am
Iranians know first hand what it is like to live under U.S imperalism, when they lived under the U.S puppet Shah, leader of one of the most brutal dictatorships ever known in modern Middle Eastern history making the current theocracy look like a paradise.
Let&#39;s put something clear: Iran is still living under imperialism, no matter how "rebellious" the ayatollahs like to fancy themselves. Iran is an oil exporter, whose economy is firmly embbeded in the international imperialist network.

But, of course, you are right about "Shah" Pahlevi, and this is an important thing to say, giving the enormous amount of ideological bleach that the western bourgeoisie wastes on this particular criminal.

Luís Henrique

Cheung Mo
4th February 2007, 16:34
Originally posted by Luís Henrique+February 04, 2007 11:23 am--> (Luís Henrique @ February 04, 2007 11:23 am)
grove [email protected] 04, 2007 06:26 am
Iranians know first hand what it is like to live under U.S imperalism, when they lived under the U.S puppet Shah, leader of one of the most brutal dictatorships ever known in modern Middle Eastern history making the current theocracy look like a paradise.
Let&#39;s put something clear: Iran is still living under imperialism, no matter how "rebellious" the ayatollahs like to fancy themselves. Iran is an oil exporter, whose economy is firmly embbeded in the international imperialist network.

But, of course, you are right about "Shah" Pahlevi, and this is an important thing to say, giving the enormous amount of ideological bleach that the western bourgeoisie wastes on this particular criminal.

Luís Henrique [/b]
I have no delusions about the Shah: But what&#39;s the point in defending Islamists when they have used violence and brutality against leftists (sometimes with U.S. support, sometimes not...) as soon as they&#39;ve achieved powers.

It&#39;s like what I say about Afghanistan:

It&#39;s better to kill Islamists and warlords like the Soviets were doing than feminists and intellectuals like their Washington-backed Islamist opponents were doing.

grove street
5th February 2007, 01:08
Originally posted by Cheung Mo+February 04, 2007 04:34 pm--> (Cheung Mo @ February 04, 2007 04:34 pm)
Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 04, 2007 11:23 am

grove [email protected] 04, 2007 06:26 am
Iranians know first hand what it is like to live under U.S imperalism, when they lived under the U.S puppet Shah, leader of one of the most brutal dictatorships ever known in modern Middle Eastern history making the current theocracy look like a paradise.
Let&#39;s put something clear: Iran is still living under imperialism, no matter how "rebellious" the ayatollahs like to fancy themselves. Iran is an oil exporter, whose economy is firmly embbeded in the international imperialist network.

But, of course, you are right about "Shah" Pahlevi, and this is an important thing to say, giving the enormous amount of ideological bleach that the western bourgeoisie wastes on this particular criminal.

Luís Henrique
I have no delusions about the Shah: But what&#39;s the point in defending Islamists when they have used violence and brutality against leftists (sometimes with U.S. support, sometimes not...) as soon as they&#39;ve achieved powers.

It&#39;s like what I say about Afghanistan:

It&#39;s better to kill Islamists and warlords like the Soviets were doing than feminists and intellectuals like their Washington-backed Islamist opponents were doing. [/b]
I beleive that we should support pro-secular and leftist movements in Iran, but at the same time we should protest and fight against any U.S backed invasion of Iran, unless it&#39;s supported by the majority of people in Iran and I personally think that is highly unlikely.

I&#39;m sure many of you here hated Saddam, but still protested against the war.

No one deserves to be subjected to the horrors of an unwanted war no matter how evil their government is. The people of Iraq didn&#39;t want it and neither do the people of Iran.

Remember we are Socialists, Anarchists, Marxists, Communists ect, it is our job to help all people of the world and give our support to any pro left peoples movement, but we are not war mongers and imperalists, we can&#39;t go around invading countries that we don&#39;t like and we can&#39;t force people to change their government and adopt our views.