religion?

[Sand Castle]

I was just reading about Leninism and what I read never really said too much about religion. Is there freedom of religion in any forms of Communism, in specific Leninism? Sorry if this question is annoying.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 11:55 pm
I was just reading about Leninism and what I read never really said too much about religion. Is there freedom of religion in any forms of Communism, in specific Leninism? Sorry if this question is annoying.
Shortly no, and religious institutions, and publications were all banned in the USSR, and every other Communist nation, that was based on Marxist-Leninism.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by Cryotank Screams+January 30, 2007 09:57 pm--> (Cryotank Screams @ January 30, 2007 09:57 pm)
[email protected] 30, 2007 11:55 pm
I was just reading about Leninism and what I read never really said too much about religion. Is there freedom of religion in any forms of Communism, in specific Leninism? Sorry if this question is annoying.
Shortly no, and religious institutions, and publications were all banned in the USSR, and every other Communist nation, that was based on Marxist-Leninism. [/b]
Umm, no? The Russian Revolution gave freedom of religion to Protestants and Muslims. In fact the Russian Revolution spawned an early form of Muslim liberation theology [Sultan Galiev comes to mind].

[Janus]

There would be no organized religion in communism but what people do with their personal time is their own business. However, most of us believe that religion would be obsolete in an advanced, communist society to the point that it would probably only be studied for its historical value.

As for Leninism, most Marxist-Leninist states banned open religious expression.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 31, 2007 12:06 am
Umm, no? The Russian Revolution gave freedom of religion to Protestants and Muslims. In fact the Russian Revolution spawned an early form of Muslim liberation theology [Sultan Galiev comes to mind].
It is a fact, that in the USSR open and public religious expression was banned aside from during WWII or the "patriotic war," when Stalin opened the churches back up, that is to my knowledge the only time when religion was allowed in the USSR, and people who lived in russia during the USSR have said to me, that religion and religious institutions were banned, whether or not people practiced religion on there on time, and did so privately doesn't change this.

[apathy maybe]

As I understand it freedom of religion was in the constitution of the USSR, along with freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_...he_Soviet_Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Soviet_Union)

That said, whether or not they actually had these things in reality is a different matter.


Originally posted by 1936 Constitution of the U.S.S.R.
Article 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of antireligious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.From http://www.politicsforum.org/documents/con...n_ussr_1936.php (http://www.politicsforum.org/documents/constitution_ussr_1936.php)

[MrDoom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 03:55 am
I was just reading about Leninism and what I read never really said too much about religion. Is there freedom of religion in any forms of Communism, in specific Leninism? Sorry if this question is annoying.
There is freedom from religion.

[RedLenin]

Institutionalized religion would not exist, but people would be free to believe whatever they want. People can even meet in someone's house and read mythical ancient relics if they want to. I believe that, eventually, religion will become nothing more than a shameful relic of the past. As class society disapears religion, the opiate of the masses, will also disapear. The sooner the better in my opinion.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by Cryotank Screams+January 31, 2007 04:22 am--> (Cryotank Screams @ January 31, 2007 04:22 am)
Hopscotch [email protected] 31, 2007 12:06 am
Umm, no? The Russian Revolution gave freedom of religion to Protestants and Muslims. In fact the Russian Revolution spawned an early form of Muslim liberation theology [Sultan Galiev comes to mind].
It is a fact, that in the USSR open and public religious expression was banned aside from during WWII or the "patriotic war," when Stalin opened the churches back up, that is to my knowledge the only time when religion was allowed in the USSR, and people who lived in russia during the USSR have said to me, that religion and religious institutions were banned, whether or not people practiced religion on there on time, and did so privately doesn't change this. [/b]
This was so as to allow Stalin to replace the Church with a cult of personality around himself, thereby cementing his rule. It had nothing to do with Communism and everything to do with tyranny.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by Cryotank Screams+January 30, 2007 10:22 pm--> (Cryotank Screams @ January 30, 2007 10:22 pm)
Hopscotch [email protected] 31, 2007 12:06 am
Umm, no? The Russian Revolution gave freedom of religion to Protestants and Muslims. In fact the Russian Revolution spawned an early form of Muslim liberation theology [Sultan Galiev comes to mind].
It is a fact, that in the USSR open and public religious expression was banned aside from during WWII or the "patriotic war," when Stalin opened the churches back up, that is to my knowledge the only time when religion was allowed in the USSR, and people who lived in russia during the USSR have said to me, that religion and religious institutions were banned, whether or not people practiced religion on there on time, and did so privately doesn't change this. [/b]
Look up an article entitled The Bolsheviks and Islam.

[grove street]

When Karl Marx uses the phrase ''Religion is the opium of the masses''. It doesn't mean that religion should be banned. It means that religion is used by the masses as a way to escape from the harshness of reality. People turn to religion and especially in the past because it offered them the hope that when they die they will live in a place of peace and love, with no traces of ineqaulity and despear.

The negative part of this is that people get so caught up in the afterlife that they forget/overlook all the wrong in this life, telling themselves it doesn't matter that I'm poor or a slave in this life because when I die I will be in heaven.

The aim of Communism is to make this life a best as possible. When Communism is acheived and all forms of exploitation that existed under Captalism are gone then people won't turn to religion as a way to escape the injustices that they face in this life. People will still turn to religion in order to cope with the unknown and grief, but overall people will become more dependent on themselves and each other in order to overcome obstacles.

Religion will eventually play a background role in society, something that people practise out of tradition (Christmas, Hanakha ect) instead of away to cope with the injustices of life.

[Hate Is Art]

Marxism is a materialist philosophy based on real life and things which are scientifically quanitifiable, not idealist religious nonsense. Marxism though, is freedom, if people want to worship some mystical being they can, they just aren't Marxists.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by MrDoom+January 31, 2007 05:45 pm--> (MrDoom @ January 31, 2007 05:45 pm)
[email protected] 31, 2007 03:55 am
I was just reading about Leninism and what I read never really said too much about religion. Is there freedom of religion in any forms of Communism, in specific Leninism? Sorry if this question is annoying.
There is freedom from religion. [/b]
so if i were to proclaim "you are now free of your personal opinion" and thereafter prohibit you from speaking your mind....
that would be freedom?

yay for doublespeak