The Socialisation of Society - Rose Luxemborg

[Kez]

http://www.yfrc.org.uk/html/the_socialisat...of_society.html (http://www.yfrc.org.uk/html/the_socialisation_of_society.html)

Another Viewpoint from a true revolutionary
Views?

comrade kamo

[vox]

From the very first paragraph:

"The working class must above all else strive to get the entire political power of the state into its own hands. Political power, however, is for us socialists only a means. The end for which we must use this power is the fundamental transformation of the entire economic relations."

Would that more Leftists thought this way.

vox

[peaccenicked]

A step towards Lenin who would agree whole heartedly

[vox]

pk,

Did Lenin believe that the proles should have political power, or did he believe in "democratic" centralism?

It's an honest question.

vox

[peaccenicked]

both.

[vox]

Okay, fair enough.

If Lenin believed that the proles should have political power, why didn't they?

vox

[peaccenicked]

if you knew anything about history you would know that
the Soviets gave power to the bolsheviks to
conduct the civil war. 22 invading armies.
All power to the Soviets was the slogan of the bolsheviks. Nothing I have read indicates dishonesty in this matter.

[TheDerminator]

Vox
Democratic centralism, the big bogey of anarchists and workerists.
Democratic centralism, stems from a recognition, that the opposite decentralisation is not a feasible way of organising effectively, a political organisation, and likewise if you were to do a google search and put in central planning with business strategy, you would see centralisation is a major part of how any corporation is organised.
Okay, these are not democratic institutions, but a party can be a democratic institution, and practical logisitics require effective organisation. We are up against an extremely powerful enemy, and to organise just locally, is naive in the extreme, it is also not cost effective, and when you are building up from the ashes, you need a tight control over all your resources.
We have to be practical in our organisational capabilities, and not idealistic, the only way to galvanise resources effectively together has been through democratic centralism, and every bourgeois mainstream party has the same structure, although not using the same terminology as Lenin.
In Britain, there is the Labour, the Liberal and Conservative parties, and even the Liberal party is democratic centralist in its operations.
The elected leadership are in charge, and that is all there is to democratic centralism, because you cannot take out the word "democratic" even if that is the way it ended up, it was not democratic under Lenin, because the Communists were the minority, it was the revolution of the Communist Party, not the revolution of the people, it is not the mechanism of democratic centralism, that was at fault, but the fact that the Party controlled the people, instead of the people controlling the party, and these are two very different things.
Democratic centralism is an old bugbear of workerists, and if you are advocating the workerism, of power only from below as Dr JD Young would have it, then as nice as this seems and as fair as this seems, it is still playing into the hands of the enemy, because believe me, unlike you, they know the value of centralism, "democratic" and otherwise.
Meantime, you can organise in your local hood. Good luck!
derminated.