The word "nigga"

[Pirate Utopian]

im not to sure where to place this is i'll place it here.
what do the leftists think about black people calling eachother nigga?
how exceptable is the word? is it really diffrent from nigger?

discuss...

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 30, 2007 09:32 pm
im not to sure where to place this is i'll place it here.
what do the leftists think about black people calling eachother nigga?
how exceptable is the word? is it really diffrent from nigger?

discuss...
well. if they chose to call them selves that. I guess is fine. as longest they don't let others call them that. for example I know plenty of Black who allowed whites, mexicans and other races to referred them as "nigga" of course they're homies. BUT STILL. I think if you are a black man you shouldn't allow other people to call you a "nigga" even if is just slang.

I know now days it has become more of way to say "man" or "dude" but still. I don't use it. nor like it when non blacks use it around me. If blacks want to use that word. well that's their business. I doubt they use it to put them selves down"

after reading books by Malcolm X and Mumia i have a different look on that word. I think all blacks should be aware of it to. it be better if they didn't use it. but It's not as bad as a non black person usning it.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Well considering that it's derived from the word "negro", meaning "black", I think its use only accentuates the black-white divide in society and retards the process of the black community's integration into mainstream society. Thus I feel the word is inherently reactionary and Leftists must endeavour to halt its use immediately.

[ahab]

I never use that word, but I dont necessarilly think its bad for non-blacks to use it either, as long as its meant in a non-racist way. Using the word 'nigga' is just ghetto slang, which is becoming more and more popular. If a non-black hangs out with blacks and they use that word and the blacks dont care then I dont see a problem with it. I used it once while hangin out with a couple of my black buddies and they didnt care, I just felt uncomfortable saying it so I dont. But like I said its becoming more or less slang and I dont think thats bad. I'd rather hear it being used to say whats up instead of being used in a derogatory way

[Cyanide Suicide]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 04:50 pm
I think its use only accentuates the black-white divide in society and retards the process of the black community's integration into mainstream society. Thus I feel the word is inherently reactionary and Leftists must endeavour to halt its use immediately.
Yeah, I agree.

It only shows remnants of the times when segregation was a more powerful force than today, and it slows the process of integration like you said.

[Janus]

how exceptable is the word?
There's still some controversy over it but it's generally accepted by most black youths.


is it really diffrent from nigger?
Depends on the context but yes, it is usually meant as a term of endearment or fraternity akin to homie or brotha.

[Fawkes]

Though I never use the term, if black people deem it acceptable to use, than I have no problem with them using it. From what I understand though, most black people recognize the difference between "nigger" and "nigga". I think it's kind of stupid to refer to yourself as that though, just as I would find it stupid to call my white friends "crackers" or my gay friends "faggots".

[seraphim]

The word 'nigga' is not good I hope that black people will come to realise how demeaning it is to the struggles of their ancestors. You wouldn't see any other race using such offensive words as a term of endeerment.

[chitown_brotha]

i don't like the word,even if its a slang,especially when non blacks trying to use it,its like a trend now a days,everybody is almost using,except whites,even then,sum are trying to get a pass,fuck out a here,i never used it never will,my black friends call me nigga,even tho im not black,im trying to make em stop usin it,...but still i don't like the word.

[Guerrilla22]

Quite a few blacks want people to stop using the word also.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 03:50 pm
Well considering that it's derived from the word "negro", meaning "black", I think its use only accentuates the black-white divide in society and retards the process of the black community's integration into mainstream society. Thus I feel the word is inherently reactionary and Leftists must endeavour to halt its use immediately.
well said, I agree completely

It only the widens the white/black gap. It serves no real purpose.

[RGacky3]

Call anyone what you want. People are too sensitive to race issues. To the point to where if a celebrity says something racist its as if he's kicked a baby in the face, who cares if he's a bigot or not, one would hope the race he's racist again would'nt really care. For example when the guy from sinfield used the word nigger, there was such a big fuss about it, the most horrible things are said in comedy clubs in the name of humor and I don't see why thats any different? Whether he's a real racist or not should'nt really matter at all to any one, if he's funny he's funny.

This goes over to my concept of hate crimes, every violent crime is a hate crime.

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 06:30 am
Call anyone what you want. People are too sensitive to race issues. To the point to where if a celebrity says something racist its as if he's kicked a baby in the face, who cares if he's a bigot or not, one would hope the race he's racist again would'nt really care. For example when the guy from sinfield used the word nigger, there was such a big fuss about it, the most horrible things are said in comedy clubs in the name of humor and I don't see why thats any different? Whether he's a real racist or not should'nt really matter at all to any one, if he's funny he's funny.

This goes over to my concept of hate crimes, every violent crime is a hate crime.
Yea thats true, actually I think it makes the word that much more effective in a negative way if whoever its directed to (individual or group) takes it personally. If you just ignore it the word loses effect.

[MissLeftistRevolutionary]

I think its wrong. okay seriously, it shows disrespect, i dont care who says it, its completely uncalled for and out of line.

[La Comédie Noire]

Aslong as there is still racism, that word can never be diffused. "nigga" and "nigger" are in fact one in the same. They are both used to seperate black people from main stream society. Just because some, emphasis on some, black people use the word as a term of affection does'nt mean every black person is okay with the word, nor does it stop the history of the word. I think its more of an american culture term than a black term, I mean do black people in england call eachother "nigga"? belgium? Parts of Africa?

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 05:41 am
I think its wrong. okay seriously, it shows disrespect, i dont care who says it, its completely uncalled for and out of line.
So you dont care if a Black person is the person using the word, it's still 'disrespect[ful]', 'uncalled for and out of line'?

[Hampton]

Nigga and nigger are not the same. The "black and white divide" exists whether we like to admit it or not. And while stoppage of the word nigga might help that divide stop existing, it's just a blip on the map on what it will take to get rid of said divide. That being said, I have no problem when black people, who the word was used to describe, use the word, I have even used it myself from time to time. For all intensive purposes, it has become their word and they should be free to use it as they wish.

[Hiero]

What about a Black person calling a white person a "nigga"? Is that similar?

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 06:41 pm
What about a Black person calling a white person a "nigga"? Is that similar?
As a term of afffection?

[MissLeftistRevolutionary]

Originally posted by black rose+February 04, 2007 04:04 am--> (black rose @ February 04, 2007 04:04 am)
[email protected] 04, 2007 05:41 am
I think its wrong. okay seriously, it shows disrespect, i dont care who says it, its completely uncalled for and out of line.
So you dont care if a Black person is the person using the word, it's still 'disrespect[ful]', 'uncalled for and out of line'? [/b]
yes. i wouldnt think differently if a black person called another black person that. its still disrespectful to the individual receiving the insult.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by MissLeftistRevolutionary+February 05, 2007 04:43 am--> (MissLeftistRevolutionary @ February 05, 2007 04:43 am)
Originally posted by black rose+February 04, 2007 04:04 am--> (black rose @ February 04, 2007 04:04 am)
[email protected] 04, 2007 05:41 am
I think its wrong. okay seriously, it shows disrespect, i dont care who says it, its completely uncalled for and out of line.
So you dont care if a Black person is the person using the word, it's still 'disrespect[ful]', 'uncalled for and out of line'? [/b]
yes. i wouldnt think differently if a black person called another black person that. its still disrespectful to the individual receiving the insult. [/b]
Right, so you do really have no understanding of context whatsoever?

Nigga (the subject of this thread) is not an insult, its a term of affection - i'm sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

Did you read Hamptons post?


Hampton
Nigga and nigger are not the same. The "black and white divide" exists whether we like to admit it or not. And while stoppage of the word nigga might help that divide stop existing, it's just a blip on the map on what it will take to get rid of said divide. That being said, I have no problem when black people, who the word was used to describe, use the word, I have even used it myself from time to time. For all intensive purposes, it has become their word and they should be free to use it as they wish.

[MissLeftistRevolutionary]

Well whatever way you put it, you can't make me agree with yourself.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 04:57 am
Well whatever way you put it, you can't make me agree with yourself.
So your response to my post is... 'you cant make me agree with you!!!!'

I suppose backing up your argument is too much to ask? :rolleyes:

P.S.

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[MissLeftistRevolutionary]

Originally posted by black rose+February 04, 2007 07:00 pm--> (black rose @ February 04, 2007 07:00 pm)
[email protected] 05, 2007 04:57 am
Well whatever way you put it, you can't make me agree with yourself.
So your response to my post is... 'you cant make me agree with you!!!!'

I suppose backing up your argument is too much to ask? :rolleyes:

P.S.

Why do you have four accounts?

Red Tomato (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showuser=19176)
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It just is such a cruel word. If someone called you a nigger and you were black how would you feel ?? (i'm not black, but still..)

[La Comédie Noire]

I can agree with that actually. White people not excepting privilage will stop black oppression, more than black people discountinueing a word.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by miss leftist revolutionary+--> (miss leftist revolutionary)It just is such a cruel word. [/b]

No, it's not.

Nigga and 'nigger' are not the same, they have completely different uses as Hampton pointed out.

That you may think it's a 'cruel' word is irrelevant. Moreover, that you see no problem with telling a Black person off for 'insulting' themselves offensive.


missleftistrevolutionary

If someone called you a nigger and you were black how would you feel ?? (i'm not black, but still..)

It depends who they are, and which word they are using. If they are calling me a 'nigger' than more than likely id take offence, but if a Black friend etc. of mine was saying 'hey nigga!' i wouldnt be bothered.
This is what you dont seem to understand, or consider, 'nigger' and nigga are generally not used synonymously, one is a term of denigration the other is a term of endearment, its down to context.


Also, please do not ignore my question,


Why do you have four accounts?

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[Hiero]

Originally posted by black rose+February 05, 2007 01:17 am--> (black rose @ February 05, 2007 01:17 am)
[email protected] 04, 2007 06:41 pm
What about a Black person calling a white person a "nigga"? Is that similar?
As a term of afffection? [/b]

In anyway.

[Pirate Utopian]

why shouldnt it be?

[SanPatricio'sSoul]

I'm white so I don't feel this is something I'm really at liberty to comment about

[Pirate Utopian]

then why do you post on this thread?, besides im white too

[Janus]

New York declared the n-word off limits to all races Wednesday in a purely symbolic resolution prompted by the increasingly casual use of the slur in hip-hop music, comedy and street slang.

"People are using it out of context," said Leroy Comrie, a black city councilman who sponsored the unanimously passed measure. "People are also denigrating themselves by using the word, and disrespecting their history."

New York's resolution is not binding and merely calls on residents to stop using the slur. Leaders of the nation's largest city also hope to set an example.

Other municipalities have already passed similar measures in a debate that rose to a fever pitch late last year after "Seinfeld" actor Michael Richards spewed the word repeatedly at a comedy club in Los Angeles.
New York urges citizens not to use the word (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070301/ap_on_re_us/racial_slur;_ylt=An4sbGpLNEhUzs0EFbQ33HdvzwcF)

Looks like the state is trying to establish an official position on the use of the term.

[Pirate Utopian]

i wonder if Nas, Jay-Z, Mos Def, etc. will listen to that

[Sir_No_Sir]

I think the world would be a better place if everyone just had one day to say everything they wanted to. Nigga,nigger,honky,spic,etc. And yell fire in a croweded theatre. I think people would be mor relieved.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 10:44 am
I think the world would be a better place if everyone just had one day to say everything they wanted to.
What would that achieve?

[RASHskins]

So sir no sir you are supporting a whole day of unmitigated racism are you. I can see what your point is about getting rid of the awkwardness surronding the words but come on a whole day of racism will never justify that.

[RNK]

I'm white too, but I'm currently living with a black girlfriend and our 6 months old mixed-race kid. From her standpoint, nobody should say the N word, whether it's in a friendly manner ("a") or unfriendly ("er"). Like she put it, it would be wonderful if blacks could "take back" the word and turn it into one meaning friend or brother, but it simply isn't happening. With the level of racism and pain associated with the "er" variant of the word, there really isn't any excuse to be constantly saying it. Personally, I don't feel that any white person should ever say any variation of it. I recently had a Comrade tell me that he knows (white) people that use the N word, and that black people he also knows don't care.. I assured him that they most likely do care, however much they try and hide it.

[Socialist Dave]

Have any of you heard of Wittgenstien? When he talked about language he said that it was what cultures used to express themselves. Therefore, as cultures evolve so does language (Thats why if you read Shakespeare its almost like reading another language) and the meaings of words change. For example 95% of the time when someone uses cool, they don't mean it in the tempreture sense. By the same thread when most people use the word 'nigger' they don't mean it in a derogatory way. So I think really you shouldn't get worked up about what people say, its what people mean that counts.

[Stone]

The word "nigga"

There is no such word as "nigga". It's actually spelled "nigger". Blacks do not distinctly pronounce the word as there are millions of whites in the south with an accent similar to that of blacks and likewise pronounce "nigger" with a silent -r. The use of the word is unacceptable because the context in which it is condescending and insulting.

[rouchambeau]

White people shouldn't get to make judgment on such an issue. This is like white people telling Native Americans whether or not their (the whites') school mascot is appropriate.

[Stone]

White people shouldn't get to make judgment on such an issue.

By your logic, white people should not have supported civil rights legislation?

[rouchambeau]

Wrong. Try again.

[Stone]

White people shouldn't get to make judgment on such an issue.

Who exactly are you to tell people of a certain race what they can and cannot do?

[comrade_x]

A word is just a word!!!! if it offends you than its your problem.....words can only bother you if you let them.....

Random:i'm italian....my father is old school and refers to "White" people as crackers......always gets a laugh out of me.....lol

[Political_Chucky]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 08:05 pm
A word is just a word!!!! if it offends you than its your problem.....words can only bother you if you let them.....

Random:i'm italian....my father is old school and refers to "White" people as crackers......always gets a laugh out of me.....lol
And thats why your an idiot. The history of the word makes it much more then JUST a word...