Stop antirussian imperialist shield!

[kookie]

http://english.cri.cn/2947/2007/01/29/[email protected] Warsaw, Poland eng.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WeXsp5G1dI -film
Nie chcemy tarczy antyrakietowej w Polsce! (We don't want the shield in Poland!)

Nechceme americké protiraketové základny v České republice!
We don't want american shield in Czech Republic!

http://www.nezakladnam.cz/

http://www.nezakladnam.cz/images/vaclavak/nezakladnam-vaclavak.jpg
Anti shield protestors in Prague!



Despite the feelings of people both Czech and Polish goverment is ready for talks with US.

[RedAnarchist]

I didn't think America still saw Russia as much of a threat anymore.

[Janus]

According to the US, they're not meant for Russia but for "rogue states" such as Iran.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1101...up-protest.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11014-us-antimissile-shield-stirs-up-protest.html)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 07:37 am
According to the US, they're not meant for Russia but for "rogue states" such as Iran.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1101...up-protest.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11014-us-antimissile-shield-stirs-up-protest.html)
who would believe the words come from a senior US official? <_<
do the US want to start a new cold war by making some shit like this?

[Janus]

who would believe the words come from a senior US official?
It&#39;s not a matter of trust as it is identifying which countries are the greater threat. It&#39;s highly doubtful that Russia will be attacking the Czech Republic or Western Europe any time soon. Sure, Russia does feel threatened by this but even they acknowledge that it is meant to counter the Iran or North Korea threat.

[Knight of Cydonia]

why would Russia attacking Czech Rep. or Wester Europe (which country precisely?).
And counter the North Korea? i don&#39;t think that US have the "balls" to counter NK, but Iran? most certainly...coz there&#39;s a lot of you know...oil.

[Janus]

why would Russia attacking Czech Rep. or Wester Europe (which country precisely?).
Western Europe in general. There certainly was a threat back during the Cold War which caused Reagan to begin funding research on this technology but now it&#39;s pretty clear that Russia has no such plans.


i don&#39;t think that US have the "balls" to counter NK
Countering&#39;s one thing but invading is certainly another.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I didn&#39;t think America still saw Russia as much of a threat anymore.

In a stunning display of the hypocrisy of the U.S. government, U.S. Vice President, Dick Cheney delivered a speech in Lithuania in May in which he raised sharp criticisms of what he called Russia’s “lack of democracy” and “use of energy sources to ‘blackmail’ other countries”.

In the speech, which was delivered at the “Baltic and Black Seas Democracies Forum” – attended by the heads of numerous former Soviet republics and ex-bureaucratic socialist Eastern European countries, as well as Germany and Scandinavian countries – the international war criminal Cheney lashed out at the Russian government for “unfairly and improperly restrict[ing] the rights of people.” Without a doubt, president Vladamir Putin’s gangster-style rule of Russia has been anything but democratic, but as we’ll show, that has nothing to do with Cheney’s public denunciation.

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Cheney went on to say that “In Russia today, opponents of reform are seeking to reverse the gains of the last decade.” If course, what he meant by “reforms” was the destruction of the USSR, the complete roll-back of social protections that were won by the exploited masses in its formation (like free, quality health care and education, full equality for women, and guaranteed housing and employment), and the privatizations, or selling to the highest bidder, of vast industries which under socialism were owned by the Soviet people as a whole. The “reforms” that Cheney laudes have directly lead to a drastic decrease in the standard of living in all of these countries, so much so that life expectancy has even fallen dramatically in Russia. For capitalists like Cheney, the overthrow of socialism and foundation of capitalism, and the opening of the economies of Russia and the other former Soviet Republics to foreign investment, with all the suffering that has brought for the people of those countries, are seen as “gains.”

But this double-speak is nothing considering that, after leaving Lithuania, Cheney traveled to Kazakhstan – a former Soviet republic in Central Asia which has been ruled by the dictator Nursultan Nazarbayev since the dismantling of the USSR 15 years ago – where he remained absolutely silent about “democracy.”

That’s right, Dick Cheney, the great fighter for democracy, had no criticisms to raise against Nazarbayev, whose oppressive rule has been marked by corruption, fixed elections and the assassination in February of the leader of Kazakhstan’s main bourgeois opposition party. Indeed, Nazarbayev, and a close group of his friends and family, have monopolized the country’s industries for their own benefit. It has also been reported that preparations are underway to transfer power to one of Nazarbayev’s sons when he decides to “retire.”

So why no denunciations from the former Halliburton CEO Cheney? It’s simple. Kazakhstan contains vast oil fields which Nazarbayev has opened wide to U.S. oil giants – including none other that Haliburton, that runs oil-field service operation there&#33; As well, Nazarbayev has allied his country with the U.S. in their imperialist campaign in Central Asia, a key part of the “War on terror,” which is aimed at establishing American dominance in the oil rich region.

Cheney’s visit to Kazakhstan came just a short time after the Bush administration he belongs to laid out the red carpet at the White House for Ilham Aliyev, the iron-fisted ruler of Azerbaijan, whose record is the same – or worse – than Nazarbayev. The U.S. government has no criticisms of Aliyev either, because the conditions in which the Azerbaijani people live are of no importance to the U.S. capitalists class; but plans for the reception of tankers full of U.S. bound oil from North Caspian oil fields in Azerbaijan – which will bypass Iran and Russia – are.

Source (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?38)

That talks a little about the competition between the two..

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 08:13 am
Countering&#39;s one thing but invading is certainly another.
Invading? did the US had made a statement or something about that? any source?

[Janus]

Invading? did the US had made a statement or something about that? any source?
No, my point was that the US has countered North Korea by exerting political and economic pressures. They certainly "have the balls" to do this but they have no plans for an invasion.

[ComradeR]

Relations between the US and Russia have deteriorated over the Iran issue, Russia has many ties with Tehran and just recently sent a billion dollars worth of SAMs to Iran despite the US lead sanctions. I personally think this move by the US is meant to send a message to Russia about Iran. Warning Moscow to stay out of the war with Iran the US is planning.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 04:13 pm
I personally think this move by the US is meant to send a message to Russia about Iran. Warning Moscow to stay out of the war with Iran the US is planning.
and do you think Russia gonna kept quite and stay out of it?

and Janus, did the US has already claiming some embargo on North Korea?

[cantona]

Ha-ha, USA and Russia calling each other imperialist and un-democratic...

http://static.flickr.com/40/91729433_8b0420c6da_m.jpg

[Guerrilla22]

The Us will say anything to justify its proliferation of weapons, next they&#39;re going to be telling Canada that Greenland poses a serious threat to their sovereignty.

[Janus]

and Janus, did the US has already claiming some embargo on North Korea?
Yes, the US has an embargo on North Korea which is partly responsible for its isolationism.

[mac1905]

Sory the topic was by me because I couldn&#39;t log via my nick so create another.

The &#39;antirocket&#39; shield is simply a weapon of american imperialism against Russia, also it is making quiet peacful and free of al-queda attacks Czechia and Poland as a 1 one target. In Czech Republic more than 60 % of people are against the shield and in Poland I think that the level might be similar although there weren&#39;t polls.