Bush:a pretty smart guy

[The Bitter Hippy]

(don't restrict me yet! this is a good commie post!)

Anyhow. I was reading in the iran getting nuked thread that lots of people seem to think that george bush and his cronies are stupid. Or even just not particularly intelligent.

This kinda perplexed me, as i know lots of these people saying that bush is dumb are intelligent leftists. The i realised: People who claim that bush is an idiot are misguided. He's only an idiot if you assume his motivation and objectives are "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" or whatever crap the slaveowners wrote in the 1700s.

But if you realize that the bush administration's objective is making rich people richer, it all makes sense. American involvement (and thus profiteering) in the middle-east is assured for at least a decade, thanks to bush's war in iraq.

It also means that america have a large force occupying what will become the world's largest reserves of proven crude, because of the output difference between iraq and saudi arabia. Guess who's going to benefit from that? (it's the ultra-rich)

Next up: our favourite uncle Arms Dealer! The 'defence' budget of the bush administration (if you include the emergency funds voted through a powerless congress) is up there with the cold war expenditure.

He even had a kind thought for the ultra-rich drug barons when he fucked afghanistan over and released the worlds largest opium fields. (and then they grow cannabis in the non-poppy season...those druglords in afghanistan have an incredibly profitable crop rotation, AND they manage to grow one of the best plants on earth for the soil. {that's cannabis, by the way})

and two words: Reconstruction Contracts.

Soon, after iran gets attacked, the entire melting pot will be overturned and the middle east will be well...bloody complicated. (more so than right now).

The israelies, being clever, have gotten themselves a slice of the pie by bribing all levels of american government through various lobbying agencies, and so they also get to Capital-ize on the shitstorm. Big commissions for big israeli military aid programmes for big israeli wars, are going to go into big swiss bank accounts.

Once you stop thinking about electorates, the national interests and other such things, the Bush presidency becomes one of the most succesful, inspired ones yet.

Best of all, he&#39;s managed to give the rich tax-breaks, and pay for all this with workers&#39; taxes&#33; (well, the ones not on the poverty line despite holding two jobs) *Jee Whizzz, isn&#39;t capitalism GREAT&#33;* <_<

So there&#39;s my piece. Bush, for all his faults, is far from stupid. He is concious of the true interests of his class, and knows just how to pursue them. Because think about it: american&#39;s aren&#39;t going to rise up against their ruling class because of him. OK, republicans may not get in for decades, but who cares? the democrats are no different. The economic interests of the american ruling class aren&#39;t being harmed, it&#39;s not their money being thrown away in the middle east, and the homeland security contracts more than make up for lost foreign business. Like Robert Peel, (i would say reagan but he was a silly patriot) George Bush is a Class Concious Capitalist. The worst kind.

If he was a proletarian, i get the feeling he&#39;d be here with us.

this may have been talked about before, but i couldn&#39;t find any like posts. (sorry if it has)

[Demogorgon]

Actually the man himself is an idiot by all accounts. The people around him are smart though and that is why they are the dangerous ones.

[Fawkes]

I recognize that somebody is smart, but I think it&#39;s his advisors that do all the thinking for him.

[Cyanide Suicide]

Yeah, but I think the reason most people think he is an idiot is because those are his goals. Not because he&#39;s not achieving them.

Also, I really don&#39;t think you can give that much credit to him specifically. I think it&#39;s the people that are more behind the scenes that do the majority of the work.

[The Bitter Hippy]

well i&#39;m kinda inclined towards that myself, but for one thing.

He has to have something that makes the others keep him on board. And i don&#39;t think it&#39;s his election-winning capability. If he wasn&#39;t at least in part responsible for the successes of his government, then why would they let him lead?

So maybe he&#39;s not the driving intellectual force, but perhaps instead he provides the glue that holds the team together.

Cleverness doesn&#39;t just mean having more intellect than trotsky.

or, they are just keeping him around as a fall-guy to take to trial in a year or two. In which case, replace Cheney+Rice with bush in all the above.

[Severian]

The main reason people seem to think he&#39;s stupid is because of the way he talks on TV. But that&#39;s not stupidity - it&#39;s just that he thinks his audience is stupid, and he&#39;s talking down to us.

[ComradeR]

I agree with you TBH.
It&#39;s true many people see Bush as an idiot, but in reality both him and his lackeys are brilliant strategists when it comes to the long term goals of their class interests. It&#39;s not exactly a secret that the worlds oil supplies are dwindling, in 10-20 years nearly all the worlds oil will have to come from the middle east. The US bourgeoisie are looking to the future of their interests, and putting the necessary pieces in place now so they will be able to continue their global dominance in the long run.

[Janus]

I don&#39;t think Bush is actually an idiot but that due much of the liberal press seems to characterize him that way due to his public persona. Obviously, an idiot couldn&#39;t have easily become the president of the world&#39;s only superpower.

Bush is obviously thinking in the interests of the ruling class but it seems to me that the Iraqi invasion was more of an irrational action than anything else as there doesn&#39;t seem to be any end in sight. I think that Bush&#39;s reign has weakened the power structure of the ruling elite not only in the sense that there is greater unrest and discontent in the US but also due to the declining agreement of how they have been handling the national affairs.

[Question everything]

He got straight Ds through college :o ... people, he is an Idoit... plain and simple :P ... the reason people stick with him is he is a shill, he rode into office on the money his dad&#39;s money, and his dad&#39;s (as well as Reagan&#39;s) friends... in conclusion the same trigger-happy (or should I said red-button happy) people in the warroom (fighting might I add the same goddamn "war on terror" Reagan declared in 1981) as the ones back in 1981, and republican (president) or democrat (president) those people have been there ever since

[cb9's_unity]

Besides giving billions to haliburton, bush hasn&#39;t done shit for his class. The bourgeois is weaker today because of fractioning than it ever has.

Bush is nothing more than a stupid stupid imperialist. As far as i know capitalists haven&#39;t got a drop of oil out of iraq. The ironic thing is that pure stupidity makes this war look as though it was never imperialist. If companies actually benifited from the war then people may question the real motives of the war but ordinary people get to caught up in talking about how mismaniged the war was.

[The Bitter Hippy]

Janus and cb9: The fact that iraq has turned into a nightmarish quagmire is, in my estimation, a landmark victory for the american ruling clas. Bush has, at a stroke, comitted US forces and influence to the region for at least a decade. He also managed to destabilize all the countries around iraq. This means more troops, more contracts and more personal gain for the ultra-rich.

No end is in sight, because an end to the conflict means an end to rich men becoming richer men.

And companies DO benefit from the war. Everyone hears about halliburton, but there are so many others. The US army needs food, water, clothing, bullets, bombs, new guns, new aircraft, spare parts. All of this is sourced in america, and benefits american companies. Wars are a mechanism by which modern governments can favour their own industry to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, without breaching WTO rules. (not that too many mind that anyway).

[Kia]

Bush may be unable to speak fluently or cohesively, made a utter mess of Iraq, destroyed american foreign policy, and much much more...but i totally agree with The Bitter Hippy (thats twice now)..he is no idiot. He is a rather inept politician but he is a great businessman. Think of america as a large corporation and you will realize that Bush has done a fantastic of job of making the rich richer and keeping the poor poorer. Many of Bush&#39;s biggest supporters have gained millions (even billions) of dollars from the mess he has created. Ontop of that Bush has some brilliant (evil) men working for him. Chaney should have been sent to prison and executed by now for all the atrocities he has commited, Karl Roves was somehow able to get him elected Twice&#33;, the list goes on and on. To us (the left and most of the world) he looks like a complete idiot because in politics.......HE IS. He has 0 understanding of how to work with the rest of the world nor does he know how to take advice..even from his own minions. We all see him as an idiot because he&#39;s a capitalist and doesn&#39;t give shit all about humanity...only the &#036; and making the &#036; means anything to him. In the end Bush will have made millions for his supporters and royally fucked up everything he disliked.

As i said in the Iran Nuke post...he is not dumb enough to launch nukes...if he was.....id be terrified. <_<

[Question everything]

He got straight Ds through college :o


He is an Idiot&#33;&#33;&#33; he just has Reagan&#39;s and Bush Sr.&#39;s advisors on his side&#33;&#33;&#33; and they all know what company the work for&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Anyone who thinks Bush is not a complete numbskull should read &#39;Dumbass&#39; by Jules Carlysle; it contains 500 pages of stupid, brainless and witless things Bush has said over the last 5 or 6 years -- yes, 500 pages of them&#33;

http://www.amazon.com/DUMBASS-Jules-Carlysle/dp/0978164601

But, he is merely a figure-head; the US ruling-class makes its own decisions -- he just rubber stamps them.

[Question everything]

thanks for the back up... but I don&#39;t think you even have to look that far, type George Bush in on google and you will find 168,000,000. considering how many people hate him at least 90% must be anti-Bush sites... the rest are probably on gardening stuff...

[Janus]

The fact that iraq has turned into a nightmarish quagmire is, in my estimation, a landmark victory for the american ruling clas. Bush has, at a stroke, comitted US forces and influence to the region for at least a decade. He also managed to destabilize all the countries around iraq. This means more troops, more contracts and more personal gain for the ultra-rich.
Not exactly, these kinds of irrational decisions are only going to incite more dissent against the ruling class. Something that is not in the latter&#39;s interest.


it contains 500 pages of stupid, brainless and witless things Bush has said over the last 5 or 6 years -- yes, 500 pages of them&#33;
Yeah, Bush gives off a very bad public persona through his talks and actions.

[The Bitter Hippy]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 30, 2007 05:18 pm
it contains 500 pages of stupid, brainless and witless things Bush has said over the last 5 or 6 years -- yes, 500 pages of them&#33;

this is because he doesn&#39;t need to be a good speaker.

I have already acknowledged that he&#39;s not a trotsky-style master politician with the vocabulary of a large dictionary. The point i&#39;m trying to make is that this is unimportant. In a politician who wants to do what most politicians do (get elected, make reforms that they think will make the country better, hide their corruption and generally get off on lording it over people), it would be important.

In a class warrior like bush, this is meaningless. He uses the funds at the disposal of his class and the cultural hegemony to seize power. Why bother with persuading people when an election is won by the person with the most cash?

true, rove made it easier, but that was just the manipulation of the media dominated by the ruling class.

what i&#39;m saying, rosa and question, is that yes, bush is a woefully inadequate politician.

But that&#39;s because he isn&#39;t a politician at heart. Politicians are motivated by a lust for power, and delusions of patriotism or reformism that give them credibility. Bush has none of that. He isn&#39;t bound by the ropes that hold the consciences of other contemporaries. He is an out-and-out Class Warrior. He has taken the fight to the proletarians, without them noticing.

This can be supported by analysing the actions and outcomes of the bush presidency. First off, he has made a complete idiot out of himself. Something no politician would ever countenance. He knows that most people in the world consider him to be a moronic puppet. Another thing most politicians would go to great lenghts to disprove.

Then, the iraq war. Everyone, especially the legions of well-informed, well-trained, and bloody effective CIA and Pentagon planners, knew exactly what would happen in iraq. This was going in direct conflict with the patriotic national interest, as it is seen in the traditional sense (economic prosperity, foreign popularity, domestic docility.) A &#39;patriot&#39; would have saved his &#39;great nation&#39; from the iraq humilitation, and would have carved out some effective and workable, if eventually meaningless, middle east peace accord. Cue praises all around, electoral success, and rich men not becoming as rich as they have.

Next, the demonization of islam. A key thing to remember about bush is that the weapons and tools of his class include religion. Therefore, he&#39;s undone years of slow secularization, and created an atmosphere of fear, intolerance and hatred. In the short term, this has led to a decline in general quality of life (scared people aren&#39;t happy). In the long term, it will hold back &#39;national&#39; objectives such as world peace, middle eastern harmony, yadda yadda. Not the actions of a politician.

However, in the short term he has powerfully increased the potency of the religious spear, which was rusting in a pool of tolerance, secularism and enlightenment. In the long term, he will bring up a generation of confused, scared, intolerant and relatively christian young people. Theses are the actions of a class warrior.

So what i&#39;m saying, rosa and question, is that yes. Bush is a woefully incompetent, stupid and shortsighted poltician.

But in the same way, Marx was a woefully incompetent, stupid and shortsighted bhuddist monk.

(and for many of the above posters: in the first post, i referred almost always to "the bush administration" or "the bush presidency" or "bush and his cronies". I&#39;ve stopped doing that, because i can&#39;t be bothered. Just read bush as {bush, rice, cheney, rove, wolfowitz, perle and co.}. It boils down to the same thing)


-reply to just.posted post by janus-:

>>"Not exactly, these kinds of irrational decisions are only going to incite more dissent against the ruling class. Something that is not in the latter&#39;s interest."<<

I don&#39;t agree there. The american population, and the world in general, won&#39;t suspect the class, they&#39;ll suspect the individuals. They&#39;ll burn effigies of him in the streets, but they won&#39;t realize that nancy pelosi, hilary clinton and howard dean are members of that same class, and just as culpable.

If all it took was disastrous foreign policy and bad home governance to ignite class conciousness and class warfare, we would have seen both things common to the proletariat a long, long time ago.

[Question everything]

I don&#39;t agree there. The american population, and the world in general, won&#39;t suspect the class, they&#39;ll suspect the individuals. They&#39;ll burn effigies of him in the streets, but they won&#39;t realize that nancy pelosi, hilary clinton and howard dean are members of that same class, and just as culpable.

If all it took was disastrous foreign policy and bad home governance to ignite class conciousness and class warfare, we would have seen both things common to the proletariat a long, long time ago.

I agree, this is true... but still at least Bush send a few more people over to the "far" left, me for example...


(and for many of the above posters: in the first post, i referred almost always to "the bush administration" or "the bush presidency" or "bush and his cronies". I&#39;ve stopped doing that, because i can&#39;t be bothered. Just read bush as {bush, rice, cheney, rove, wolfowitz, perle and co.}. It boils down to the same thing)

I have been agreeing with you there however I give more credit to the cronies than to the "master mind" (normally I&#39;d refer to Reagan as the master mind but now he is dead :D, here however it is Bush jr.)... Bush himself is an idoit a puppet, but he makes a good puppet... I still blame those people who have been there since the 80s, the CEOs, the batistas, Bush sr.&#39;s cronies...



In a class warrior like bush, this is meaningless. He uses the funds at the disposal of his class and the cultural hegemony to seize power. Why bother with persuading people when an election is won by the person with the most cash?

bush is no class warrior, Lou Dobbs is a class warrior (how that bastard can rant on and on to us about the way the middle class is disappearing and still support the gouvernement is amazing) , Bush is just a puppet who pretends to be a down to earth, "all american"... while Sr.&#39;s and Reagan&#39;s boys pull the stings...



In the long term, it will hold back &#39;national&#39; objectives such as world peace, middle eastern harmony, yadda yadda. Not the actions of a politician.

Bush is a CEO and a puppet first and foremost nobody will argue against that...

[Luís Henrique]

Say what you wish, a guy who is able to use the isolationism of his constituents as a tool to prop up an interventionist policy cannot be dim.

Luís Henrique

PS. Let me quote the supporters of former Brasília&#39;s right wing governor, Joaquim Roriz, in a banner responding to the elitist pseudo-intellectual leftists of the city, who used to dismiss their leader as an idiot:


Originally posted by Rorizist thugs
"Nóis é anarfabeto, mais nóis sabe ganhá eleição"

(Us are ilytirate, but us know how 2 win them elexions)

[Question everything]

Can&#39;t a smart guy be controling the puppet? Bush is an Idiot, those behind him (by that I mean the ones pulling the strings) are not...