Return of Communism

[the_sociallist]

The Russia of today is no better for the worker, once again opportunity and freedom is held by the greedy politicians who took control of the means of production following the collapse of the Soviet Union, while the average citizens suffered and continues to suffer.

So since the foundation f sociallism still exists in Russia, what does everyone think the chances are of a Communist state returning in Russia?

[MrDoom]

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'Communist state' is an oxymoron.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:55 pm
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'Communist state' is an oxymoron.
LOL. i was thinking the same thing when I read that

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 07:55 pm
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'Communist state' is an oxymoron.
I agree, plus I feel that comrades need to get over this nostalgia, and concentrate on making revolutions happen today, in their own areas, instead of trying to create one in another one abroad for the sake of sentimentalism, and nostalgia.

[CrimsonTide]

So what are the chances of a Communist Revolution in Russia? Perhaps after a long, drawn-out war over oil between Russia and the U.S., they'll go back to their roots. That's how the first Revolution got going after all (the big war part, at least).

[Janus]

what does everyone think the chances are of a Communist state returning in Russia?
Ignoring the oxymoron, I would say that at the moment they are probably better than in the US or some of the other developed nations. There's a lot of discontent in Russia from which a future mass movement can be built upon though I fear that some of this hatred is being channeled in a negative way through xenophobia,etc. But I think that the Russian people are more or less tired of their corroding living conditions and the weakness of their society and I hope that this anger will be used against the actual enemies: the repressive ruling class.

[the_sociallist]

well said....communist state is dead and will be for awhile.

Do you think sociallist based programs would help to improve the average citizens quality of life. Similiar to Canada or France? :)

[Janus]

Do you think sociallist based programs would help to improve the average citizens quality of life.
They certainly help to improve living conditions and the quality of life as seen in Sweden and other more socialistic nations. However, the fundamental power structures are not changed as capitalism is still allowed to remain intact.

[the_sociallist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 04:52 am
QUOTE].... the fundamental power structures are not changed as capitalism is still allowed to remain intact.
True. but it plants the seed of sociallism......

[Clarksist]

It is a non-issue.

The plight of the Russian worker is the same as all other worldwide industrial workers, except that most saw the collapse of the Soviet Union firsthand. This does not mean that they will most likely try to reconstruct it when capitalism is rejected (hopefully), but rather... leftism may seem more "viable" seeing as it will be looked at with a nostalgia or at least "better than now". Hopefully we won't see another Leninist debacle, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

[the_sociallist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 05:18 am
It is a non-issue.

The plight of the Russian worker is the same as all other worldwide industrial workers, except that most saw the collapse of the Soviet Union firsthand. This does not mean that they will most likely try to reconstruct it when capitalism is rejected (hopefully), but rather... leftism may seem more "viable" seeing as it will be looked at with a nostalgia or at least "better than now". Hopefully we won't see another Leninist debacle, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
Of Russians that I spoke with on my last trip to St. Petersburg, most having seen lived on both sides of the Iron Curtain prefered the way things use to be....as opposed to the way they are now. They talked about how under Communism they had more freedom and were able to do more than they can now.

I think the possibility of it's rebirth is still alive and well!

[the_sociallist]

If You couldn't already tell I support the left in Russia.

[Janus]

True. but it plants the seed of sociallism......
Not necessarily. By effecting reforms and yielding certain concessions, capitalists seek to lessen the need for a strong worker's movement. It's like tossing a bone to your dog. Simply put, communism and socialism are not going to be grow in these types of environments. It is only when living conditions fall and the welfare state begins to drop former reforms that the seeds of communism are sown.

[ComradeR]

Communist state
I think you mean a Socialist state.


So since the foundation f sociallism still exists in Russia, what does everyone think the chances are of a Communist state returning in Russia?
I think with the way things are going there is a fairly good chance of it, and in all probability we may see one in the next decade or so if a strong leftist movement takes hold. But the only real danger to a possible revolution in Russia is the growing far-right fascist movements that are gaining power there.

[the_sociallist]

There is strength in numbers....I think the next revolution with be a lot more bloodier than the onein 1917. But rememebr that the soliders the right wingers use...will most likely come from the people. If you can do as the bolsheviks did and get the military on your side...than the revoltion is pretty much won.

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 02:00 pm
If you can do as the bolsheviks did and get the military on your side...than the revoltion is pretty much won.
The sad thing now is there is no Bolshevik Party.IMO there is no chance for a socialist revolution in Russia for now. What people right now have there is a nostalgia for Soviet Union which in my opinion is dead for good. Our task is to learn from it and try to build a new socialist movements in countries where we live.

[Clarksist]

Originally posted by the_sociallist+January 29, 2007 12:26 am--> (the_sociallist @ January 29, 2007 12:26 am)
[email protected] 29, 2007 05:18 am
It is a non-issue.

The plight of the Russian worker is the same as all other worldwide industrial workers, except that most saw the collapse of the Soviet Union firsthand. This does not mean that they will most likely try to reconstruct it when capitalism is rejected (hopefully), but rather... leftism may seem more "viable" seeing as it will be looked at with a nostalgia or at least "better than now". Hopefully we won't see another Leninist debacle, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
Of Russians that I spoke with on my last trip to St. Petersburg, most having seen lived on both sides of the Iron Curtain prefered the way things use to be....as opposed to the way they are now. They talked about how under Communism they had more freedom and were able to do more than they can now.

I think the possibility of it's rebirth is still alive and well! [/b]
The possibility is there, but I think that another Marxist-Leninist revolution would just destroy the entire Leftist movement. If Russia became another "Soviet Empire" then it would definitely take us back to square one again.

Hopefully, some kind of socially progressive anarchist groups get into their Leftist scene and shake something up. One thing that is very effective about anarchist groups is that they have a way of easing up Leninists to more libertarian viewpoints.

[Janus]

If you can do as the bolsheviks did and get the military on your side
The Bolsheviks formed their own military. It's not like the Czar's army swung the odds in the Bolshevik's favor by mass defecting. It's simply too dangerous to keep the former military intact with the same command structure as the revolution would pretty much have to rely on a bunch of corrupt generals. Rather, we should focus on building our own militias and defenses and hopefully we will be able to convince of the regular soldiers to come to our side. After all, the majority of the standing army is made up of the working class.

[Question everything]

Of Russians that I spoke with on my last trip to St. Petersburg, most having seen lived on both sides of the Iron Curtain prefered the way things use to be....as opposed to the way they are now. They talked about how under Communism they had more freedom and were able to do more than they can now.

I think the possibility of it's rebirth is still alive and well!

Wow, now I can say that even stalinism is better than capitalism

[Xian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 04:08 am
Hopefully, some kind of socially progressive anarchist groups get into their Leftist scene and shake something up. One thing that is very effective about anarchist groups is that they have a way of easing up Leninists to more libertarian viewpoints.
Are you referring to easing up on the dictatorship?

[Janus]

Are you referring to easing up on the dictatorship?
Anarchists do not support a dictatorship of the proletariat in the Marxist sense; thus "easing up" is more or less an understatement.