Brutality of Iraqi Army

[Intifada]

I didn't see this reported anywhere else.

Exclusive: Iraqi army brutality (http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=4444)

This is the freedom and justice brought to Iraq by Bush and Blair.

[Publius]

I didn't see this reported anywhere else.

Exclusive: Iraqi army brutality (http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=4444)

This is the freedom and justice brought to Iraq by Bush and Blair.

Yeah, because the Iraqi army really was so much better before Bush and Blair came...

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 09:07 pm

I didn't see this reported anywhere else.

Exclusive: Iraqi army brutality (http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=4444)

This is the freedom and justice brought to Iraq by Bush and Blair.

Yeah, because the Iraqi army really was so much better before Bush and Blair came...
Likewise, it seems to be soo much worse.

Old boos. New boss. Sopot the difference, anyone?

[Enragé]

yea

under the new boss everything's going to hell while under the old one at least you could lead a normal life if you stayed away from politics

[Publius]

Likewise, it seems to be soo much worse.

It would seem that way to you, because you're ignorant.



Old boos. New boss. Sopot the difference, anyone?

Yes.

The new boss doesn't torture people with drills, or beat them wires, or any of the innumerable atrocities you could look up in 5 minutes, if you actually gave a shit about the truth, which you don't.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 09:38 pm
The new boss doesn't torture people with drills, or beat them wires, or any of the innumerable atrocities you could look up in 5 minutes, if you actually gave a shit about the truth, which you don't.
What makes you say that? There could be any number of atrocities going on right now that we're not being told of. This is just the stuff that was allowed to leave Iraq.

[colonelguppy]

so you're just going to assume this is happening? awesome.

[loveme4whoiam]

so you're just going to assume this is happening? awesome.
Well if you take into account the brutality that has been recorded, its hardly a big leap to assume the excesses of the old regime are being carried on by the new one, is it?

[Publius]

What makes you say that? There could be any number of atrocities going on right now that we're not being told of.

And this 'could' be a media hoax and the Iraqi army may be serving its prisoners tea and crumpets.

A lot of things 'could' be the case. It's just kind of funny you leap to one side and not the other...


This is just the stuff that was allowed to leave Iraq.

How was this 'allowed' to leave Iraq? Is all information out of Iraq checked or something? Do you know what you're talking about, or are you just bullshitting?

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 12:03 am
And this 'could' be a media hoax and the Iraqi army may be serving its prisoners tea and crumpets.

A lot of things 'could' be the case. It's just kind of funny you leap to one side and not the other...
It's not bullshit. America has sent Afghanis to Uzbekistan to be tortured, so I doubt the US would have any qualms in handing over suspected insurgents over to the Iraqi government because they're not legally able to torture people.


How was this 'allowed' to leave Iraq? Is all information out of Iraq checked or something? Do you know what you're talking about, or are you just bullshitting?

The military does all in its power to censure the media.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 09:54 pm
so you're just going to assume this is happening? awesome.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...1651789,00.html (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1651789,00.html)

hmm?

[ComradeR]

The new boss doesn't torture people with drills, or beat them wires, or any of the innumerable atrocities you could look up in 5 minutes, if you actually gave a shit about the truth, which you don't.
Wow are you living in ignorance? or are you just plain stupid?
The regime Bush and Blair installed and hail as a "great democrocy" is made up of many who are known to ether be connected to, or directly command militias which tortures and kills people using those same methods, but on a much greater scale then it was under Saddam. Not to mention that the Iraqi army and police have also been tied to the torturing and murdering of civilians. And lets not forget that the "great liberators" are also known to use torture in interrogations.


Yep it's so much better for the Iraqis now :rolleyes:

[Publius]

Wow are you living in ignorance? or are you just plain stupid?
The regime Bush and Blair installed and hail as a "great democrocy" is made up of many who are known to ether be connected to, or directly command militias which tortures and kills people using those same methods, but on a much greater scale then it was under Saddam.

:lol:

Yeah, we know all those militias are invading neighboring countries and gassing ethnic minorities every other day.

Sorry for even insinuating otherwise.

:lol:

What's really funny is that the worst militias, the most brutal, are the ones opposed to the US. Are you US funded militias (I'm humoring you here) blowing up cafes? Child care centers? Beheading people on tape?

The questions answer themselves and in your case they answer to the fact that you're an idiot.



Not to mention that the Iraqi army and police have also been tied to the torturing and murdering of civilians. And lets not forget that the "great liberators" are also known to use torture in interrogations.

True statement: Abu Gharaib is a much more hospitable place now than it was under Saddam. Simple fact.

Are you living in ignorance? or are you just plain stupid?



Yep it's so much better for the Iraqis now :rolleyes:

Did I say it was?

Or are you, like a dumbass, assuming that I support the war just because I uttered a few true, incontrovertible statements?

[black magick hustla]

Although I do not know who is more brutal, Saddam or the new government, i do know that under saddam there werent fucking islamic militias killing each other because of differences in sects. the fact is that the americans catalyzed why they say they are fighting against--teorriroism.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Yeah, we know all those militias are invading neighboring countries and gassing ethnic minorities every other day.

Sorry for even insinuating otherwise.

your government hasnt given them a chance yet, or any of the weapons they gave saddam

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 02:41 pm


Wow are you living in ignorance? or are you just plain stupid?
The regime Bush and Blair installed and hail as a "great democrocy" is made up of many who are known to ether be connected to, or directly command militias which tortures and kills people using those same methods, but on a much greater scale then it was under Saddam.

:lol:

Yeah, we know all those militias are invading neighboring countries and gassing ethnic minorities every other day.

Sorry for even insinuating otherwise.

:lol:

What's really funny is that the worst militias, the most brutal, are the ones opposed to the US. Are you US funded militias (I'm humoring you here) blowing up cafes? Child care centers? Beheading people on tape?

The questions answer themselves and in your case they answer to the fact that you're an idiot.



Not to mention that the Iraqi army and police have also been tied to the torturing and murdering of civilians. And lets not forget that the "great liberators" are also known to use torture in interrogations.

True statement: Abu Gharaib is a much more hospitable place now than it was under Saddam. Simple fact.

Are you living in ignorance? or are you just plain stupid?



Yep it's so much better for the Iraqis now :rolleyes:

Did I say it was?

Or are you, like a dumbass, assuming that I support the war just because I uttered a few true, incontrovertible statements?
do you like ignoring shit which doesnt suit your ideas?

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...1651789,00.html (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1651789,00.html)

"Human rights abuses in Iraq are now as bad as they were under Saddam Hussein and are even in danger of eclipsing his record, according to the country's first Prime Minister after the fall of Saddam's regime.

'People are doing the same as [in] Saddam's time and worse,' Ayad Allawi told The Observer. 'It is an appropriate comparison. People are remembering the days of Saddam. These were the precise reasons that we fought Saddam and now we are seeing the same things.'"

[Publius]

Although I do not know who is more brutal, Saddam or the new government, i do know that under saddam there werent fucking islamic militias killing each other because of differences in sects.

Such a cynical view of statecraft...

Are you sure you don't work for the Bush administration?


the fact is that the americans catalyzed why they say they are fighting against--teorriroism.

So instead of blaming radical Islamist terrorism on radical Islamist terrorists, you blame them on America?

Wow.

[Publius]

do you like ignoring shit which doesnt suit your ideas?


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...1651789,00.html (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1651789,00.html)

"Human rights abuses in Iraq are now as bad as they were under Saddam Hussein and are even in danger of eclipsing his record, according to the country's first Prime Minister after the fall of Saddam's regime.

'People are doing the same as [in] Saddam's time and worse,' Ayad Allawi told The Observer. 'It is an appropriate comparison. People are remembering the days of Saddam. These were the precise reasons that we fought Saddam and now we are seeing the same things.'"

My contrarianism gets me into trouble again....

FYI: I opposed the Iraq war from the start.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by NKOS+January 27, 2007 06:56 am--> (NKOS @ January 27, 2007 06:56 am)
[email protected] 26, 2007 09:54 pm
so you're just going to assume this is happening? awesome.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...1651789,00.html (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1651789,00.html)

hmm? [/b]
i didn't deny it, i just wanted a little evidence.

[Enragé]

So instead of blaming radical Islamist terrorism on radical Islamist terrorists, you blame them on America?

Wow.

the reason why radical islamism appeals to so many people is because of western interference with the middle east.

Islam, originally, was the result of the Arabs trying to reclaim a (proud) identity

[colonelguppy]

the sunni-shiite conflict extends way before western influence.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 06:59 pm
the sunni-shiite conflict extends way before western influence.
err yea

but thats not where the radical-moderate divide lies

Hezbullah is shia and radical, the iraqi government is predominately shia and "moderate"
Hamas is sunni and radical, the saudis would be judged "moderate"


if you said that in relation to the civil war-ish shit in iraq, sunni and shia used to intermarry, work together etc (under saddam).
In other countries, too, the situation is like that. Sure its not like the sunni-shia divide is non-existant, but they're just not cutting eachother's heads off.

[Intifada]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 09:07 pm
Yeah, because the Iraqi army really was so much better before Bush and Blair came...
That really is beyond the point.

Bush and Blair claimed, after it emerged that no WMDs would ever be found, that they were invading Iraq so as to "liberate" the Iraqi people from the brutality of Saddam Hussein's regime.

I have failed to see any real "liberty" and "justice", only more brutality and the relentless shedding of blood.

Indeed, Ayad Allawi (when he was leader) commented that the abuse in Iraq was worse than that found under Saddam.

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 05:07 pm

So instead of blaming radical Islamist terrorism on radical Islamist terrorists, you blame them on America?

Wow.
of course, you sillygoose.

western imperialism has everything to do with radical islamism in the same way much crime has everything to do with the inequalities of capitalism.

[black magick hustla]

Are you sure you don't work for the Bush administration?

yes i am commander of the second brigade

[Guerrilla22]

Hoorary for the enlightenment of bourgeois Western democracy!