a survey for cappies

[encephalon]

I'm positive a thread like this has been posted before, but I'm curious about the current strain of OI kiddies out there. Sooo...

What class do you belong to? How much do you make, if you work for a wage? What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? What do you do for entertainment? What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms? Do you have children? Anything else about you?

---

Please, be entirely honest.. it isn't as though you're going to suddenly give us an epiphany if you say you're a fifty year old factory worker, and we already dislike you so you aren't going to convince us to like you more. I'm simply curious as to where you're coming from. I'm guessing there's about the same class-membership 9and average age) here for OI as there is for the rest of the board, but I don't know for sure.

Wheres yous alls comings froms?

[Tupac-Amaru]

What class do you belong to?
Bourgeoisie.
How much do you make, if you work for a wage?
Im a student; dont work for a wage.
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft?
I dont. Hardly every log on. But i occasionally like to argue with commies when im bored.
What do you do for entertainment?
Getting drunk, going to clubs, drinking Dom Perignon, smoking ganj, watching tv, etc.
What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms?
Liberal (in the classical sense of the term)
Do you have children?
Nah man!
Anything else about you?
I collect luxury watches...

[wtfm8lol]

What class do you belong to? i dunno..i'm not extremely rich but i'm definitely in no need of money
How much do you make, if you work for a wage? when i'm not at uni, i work for $10/hour but the job is more for learning than money
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? boredom, needed another forum to troll to break my addiction from the last one
What do you do for entertainment? forum trolling, video games (mostly fps), being a jerk etc
What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms? libertarianism
Do you have children? neg
Anything else about you? i am awesome

[colonelguppy]

middle class i guess? although though i do have some savings invested in mutual funds, does that make me bourgeois? i used to work in pizza delivery, then i quit because i moved to kansas for school, now i work part time at a grocery store and go to school. i wouldn't say i spend a ridiculous amount of time here, but i guess i do come here out of boredom or a desire for intelligent conversation. for fun, i read and play music and get really drunk 3 or 4 nights a week. politically, i would just describe myself as liberal.

no kids, i can't stand kids.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 04:08 pm
1. Working class.
2. 13.50 an hour.
3. I like you commies.
4. Watch movies, play video games, have sex, and drink alot of beer.
5. Far left Democrate.
6. Yes 2 kids.
7. Theres is nothing else about me.
Interesting. I guess your definition of far-left is different to ours, after all you put Democrat on the end.

But if you're far-left, working class with children, why do you support capitalism? I'm interested in your ideology. What does far-left Democrat actually mean? Are you a socialist at all? Do you like big government or small? And so on.

[encephalon]

middle class i guess? although though i do have some savings invested in mutual funds, does that make me bourgeois?

No, unless the revenue thereof is a very large source of your income.


am an American Democrate and i wish they more like the Social Democrates in Europe. I believe in big government. I support capitalism cuz it is the only choice right now. In America you guys represent 1 % of the population. It will take decades and decades and decades for you build the number of poeple you need to overthrow the government. I am a realist more than anything else it will decades and decades for us to move to where Europe is today. America is more right wing than left. Change takes time. You cant force change down peoples throats all that does is piss people off.

I think a great many of us agree with the fact that it will take a very long time; our political orientation is not based on overthrowing the government in five years, as far as I know (and most of us would probably find this to be a terrible idea in practice, given the current social climate). We aren't communists, anarchists and everything in-between because it's the easiest thing to be, especially in the states.

Most of us are waiting for change, not trying to force it (most marxists, at least, would contend that you can't force it). But we aren't going to be silent any more than the establishment is going to be silent, nor will we refuse to act if the occassion arises (which is unlikely to happen in our lifetimes, although there's a small possibility of it happening in the lifetime of the younger members here).

We do what we think is best to promote change--over which we have a wide array of different views. Some of us try to organize, some think the "culture of rebellion" is the way to go, others take it one person at a time on a selective and personal basis, some want to blow things up right now and others just want to sit and talk about it. The one unifying principle between all of us is that we're anti-capitalist, anti-reformist. For the most part, I haven't seen that shoved down anyone's throat in the US.

[Question everything]

I know were you're coming from, patton, but I don't think everyone is trying to shove leftism down your throat, all I know is that the world right now needs change, perhaps not as far as many on this site hope to take it, but if we keep going the way we are something is going to give, gouvernement estimates that in forty years, america's "heartland" will be a desert and due to changes in the gulf stream, northern europe will look like Greenland. Thousands of people are getting layed-off, and North-Americans are send thousands of Dollars to China which will probably help expand the chinese military... I can go on and on like this patton, I'm not asking you become a Communist or Anarchist, I'm just saying that you should not just sit back and watch the world get destroyed, protest, vote for a moderate third party, anything... just do something...

[Coggeh]

1.Working Class
2. Don't work yet, Still in school (16yrs old)
3.I'm a socialist
4.The usual .. just lazing about and sports and stuff
5.Democratic Socialist-Trotskist
6.I'm 16 (O_o)
7.meh

[Coggeh]

i know it was for cappies but i thought meh .. i was bored :)

[t_wolves_fan]

I'm positive a thread like this has been posted before, but I'm curious about the current strain of OI kiddies out there. Sooo...

I'll play along.


What class do you belong to?

According to the economic data, the upper class. My wife and I's combined income is on the top qunitile.


How much do you make, if you work for a wage?

I am salaried, but my pay rate based on 40 hours is around $28/hr.


What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft?

Boredom and the fact that I am a political junkie.


What do you do for entertainment?

Read history and non-fiction, and I am a rabid sports fan (college, mostly).


What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms?

I'm sick of both parties. I am a moderate socially libertarian, fiscally conservative Republican-leaning independent.


Do you have children?

Yes, a baby boy.


Anything else about you?

Until age 5 I was definitely in the lower class, until age 13-14 I was in the working class. Thanks mom and dad.

[metalero]

this is a very interesting thread in OI, keep it up cappies.

[Publius]

What class do you belong to? Middle.
How much do you make, if you work for a wage? I don't work, student.
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? See above.
What do you do for entertainment? Read, listen to music, think.
What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms? Iconoclasm.
Do you have children? No.
Anything else about you? I don't have any set of definable viewpoints. I've pretty much given up on those.

[Knight of Cydonia]

*get bored*


Originally posted by Publius
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? See aboveWhere? :huh:

What the fuck is Iconoclasm?

[Publius]

Where? :huh:


I don't have a job.



What the fuck is Iconoclasm?

Pick up a dictionary.

[razboz]

Originally posted by knight of cydonia+January 28, 2007 04:42 pm--> (knight of cydonia @ January 28, 2007 04:42 pm)
[email protected] 28, 2007 11:21 pm
Pick up a dictionary.
i&#39;m asking you not the dictionary, butthead <_< [/b]
Good point. TO avoid further confusion and because idiotic arguments about definitions of word annoy me here is what an iconoclast is:


n.

1. One who attacks and seeks to overthrow traditional or popular ideas or institutions.
2. One who destroys sacred religious images.

from http://www.answers.com/topic/iconoclast

Which sounds like an interesting concept to me. Whats the difference between this and Nihilism i wonder?

[Publius]

i&#39;m asking you not the dictionary, butthead <_<

Iconoclasm. Contrarianism. Question everything. Support nothing. I don&#39;t hold a bunch of well-defined beliefs, I just like to oppose things.

I&#39;m opposed to religion and I like to argue the point. I&#39;m opposed to current policies. I&#39;m opposed to communism.

I&#39;m even opposed to the things I believe in, in that I try to harbor opposing views and think them through.

I&#39;m an anti-ideologue, I like to think.

[black magick hustla]

arent you like 17 anyway

i am also 17

[razboz]

Originally posted by patton+January 29, 2007 03:02 pm--> (patton &#064; January 29, 2007 03:02 pm)
[email protected] 25, 2007 07:47 am
I&#39;m positive a thread like this has been posted before, but I&#39;m curious about the current strain of OI kiddies out there. Sooo...

What class do you belong to? How much do you make, if you work for a wage? What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? What do you do for entertainment? What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms? Do you have children? Anything else about you?

---

Please, be entirely honest.. it isn&#39;t as though you&#39;re going to suddenly give us an epiphany if you say you&#39;re a fifty year old factory worker, and we already dislike you so you aren&#39;t going to convince us to like you more. I&#39;m simply curious as to where you&#39;re coming from. I&#39;m guessing there&#39;s about the same class-membership 9and average age) here for OI as there is for the rest of the board, but I don&#39;t know for sure.

Wheres yous alls comings froms?
What about you commies tell us the samething? [/b]
I think this has already been dressed somewhere else on the board (Chit Chat or something).

But hey here i go:

Class: Unsure

Politics: Anarchist

Occupation: Student

Income: see above

Why im on Revleft: i love you guys :D

[Qwerty Dvorak]

I&#39;m bored.

What class do you belong to? Middle, I guess.
How much do you make, if you work for a wage? I don&#39;t work, I&#39;m studying for my Leaving Cert at the mo.
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? I are commie&#33;&#33;
What do you do for entertainment? Read, listen to music, ponder, rawk teh internets
What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms? Marxist.
Do you have children? No.
Anything else about you? Not really.

[Pirate Utopian]

im also bored...

What class do you belong to? Middle, I guess.
How much do you make, if you work for a wage? I don&#39;t work, I&#39;m in school
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? to learn and talk with fellow leftists
What do you do for entertainment? Read, listen to music, use a computer, watch movies
What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms? Marxist-Leninist
Do you have children? No, im 16&#33;
Anything else about you? i like south park

[Enragé]

I was not talking being forced down anyones throat in the U.S. I was talking more about what happened in the Soviet Union. They forced change on population that did not want it.


Well, the population were those who actually rose up. They did want change, just not the kind of tyrannical nonsense the Sovjet Union degenerated into.


anyway

What class do you belong to?
Working class, money-wise (lower) middle class.

How much do you make, if you work for a wage?
Its about 4.25 euros an hour. Thats like, &#036;6.50? (dont know the exchange rate). Apart from that im still at highschool, last year.

What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft?
Lately i havent been spending that much time on it at all ^^ It kinda comes and goes. Anyway, because this is a great place to discuss with fellow revolutionary leftists, and to develop one&#39;s understanding of communist, anarchist etc theory.

What do you do for entertainment?
I play the guitar, football ("soccer"), hang out with friends, see some bands, drink, and the opposite sex ofcourse :wub:

What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms?
ugh, specific?
Well, i&#39;m anti-sectarian except towards nutcase marxist-leninists (stalinists), and distrustful of marxist-leninists in general.
The best description of me would be a libertarian communist with trotskyist sympathies, and above all i try to transcend the useless divides on the revolutionary left without forsaking the principles which should stand at the core of the revolutionary left.

Do you have children?
Nope.

Anything else about you?
err
IM MOVING TO AMSTERDAM&#33;
HAH&#33;
BEAT THAT :wub:

[Jazzratt]

I&#39;m bored as well, and people may as well know who/what they&#39;re arguing with when I trounce them.

What class do you belong to? Proletariat.
How much do you make, if you work for a wage? I&#39;m a student but I can make, like, £50 or so doing real small gigs and maybe a tenner if I busk for a bit.
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? A place to test all my wonderful new insults and to learn about leftism.
What do you do for entertainment? This for the most part, play music, listen to music or hang around with my mates getting drunk.
What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms? That&#39;s a bastard of a question, possibly >H Technocratic Marxism.
Do you have children? Not to my knowledge.
Anything else about you? THough I like to insult people and encourage them to commit suicide I do not like threatening people on the internet. It&#39;s stupid.

[wtfm8lol]

What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? A place to test all my wonderful new insults and to learn about leftism.

lol "lets see how many combinations of the words "badger" and "****" i can make&#33;"

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 01:55 am

What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? A place to test all my wonderful new insults and to learn about leftism.

lol "lets see how many combinations of the words "badger" and "****" i can make&#33;"
Oh fuck of and die, twatwedge. No one asked your opinion did they?

[wtfm8lol]

Oh fuck of and die, twatwedge. No one asked your opinion did they?

lol, go cry you little *****

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 02:19 am

Oh fuck of and die, twatwedge. No one asked your opinion did they?

lol, go cry you little *****
:lol: Originality in it&#39;s purest form. Tell me, do you ever get tired of projecting? When you finally haul yourself away from the computer and face your ugly, pimpled loser face in the mirror on your way to bed where you will masturbate furiously to a picture of Ayn Rand before crying onto your copy of Atlas Shat at the empty, hollow failure that is your life will you finally admit to yourself that the world would be much better if you stabbed yourself through the eyes with rusty nails and then leapt off the nearest convienient high building?

[La Comédie Noire]

What class do you belong to?: Proletariat.
How much do you make, if you work for a wage?: &#036;7.50 an hour
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft?: Umm When I can get on I do, I don&#39;t call how much time I spend here "ridiculous" by any strech of the imagination.
What do you do for entertainment?: I hang with my friends or girl friend, do drugs, watch movies, make movies or write.
What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms?: Marxist - Leninist.
Do you have children? Came close once.
Anything else about you? I&#39;m rather absent minded sometimes.

[wtfm8lol]

laugh.gif Originality in it&#39;s purest form.

no no, i think you beat me with
Oh fuck of and die although i must admit, twatwedge was quite original, and its quality reflects on its pathetic pile of shit of a creator.


Tell me, do you ever get tired of projecting?

no. do you get tired of being boring and not funny?


When you finally haul yourself away from the computer and face your ugly, pimpled loser face in the mirror on your way to bed where you will masturbate furiously to a picture of Ayn Rand before crying onto your copy of Atlas Shat at the empty, hollow failure that is your life will you finally admit to yourself that the world would be much better if you stabbed yourself through the eyes with rusty nails and then leapt off the nearest convienient high building?

no. why do you put so much effort in to your insults when they all come out like shit in the end? although perhaps you&#39;ve forgotten that the main objective in insulting someone is to make him feel worse about himself and instead just do it because you&#39;re one of those sad assholes who isn&#39;t funny at all but is convinced she&#39;s the most hilarious person in the world and constantly finds herself being the only one laughing at her own jokes but doesn&#39;t notice and whose ego is strengthened enormously on every rare occasion that some other dimwitted moron finds a joke of hers worthy of a small chuckle

[Kia]

Alright alright enough insults..twits. :D

Bored (also) so i might as well ...
What class do you belong to?
My family is Middle class (could be said upper middle class due to our income...but that doesnt fit my parents work.)
How much do you make, if you work for a wage?
Currently I dont work, A student. (interesting how many of us are students)
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft?
Its a place to discuss politics (leftist especially) and im rather interested in the subject.
What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms?
Anarchist. (first time I&#39;ve ever stated that here).
What do you do for entertainment?
The usual student stuff. I read the news alot and spend as much time with friends as possible (not enough).
Do you have children?
Nope.
Anything else about you?
Im british by birth, live in America, and I now have no nationality. I count myself to be a beginner in anarchist theory and need to spend more time reading about it. Also im a highschool dropout, even though i had a Gpa of 3.5. So dont judge dropouts immediately..we&#39;re not all idiots.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 02:25 am

:lol: Originality in it&#39;s purest form.
And what about you is original in any way?

An angry, drug-abusing, working-class student who thinks she knows everything and likes to insult people.

In other words, a typical loser.

There&#39;s only about 5 million of you here in the states. You can&#39;t walk by a bus stop or order at the counter of a Kentucky Fried Chicken without running into a cookie-cutter, conformo clone of you.

Please stop pretending that you&#39;re original, that anything you say has any shock value, or that any of your opinions or even your existence matters in any way because it doesn&#39;t.

Fulfill your role in life and implement your defense mechanisms by flaming away.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+January 30, 2007 02:04 pm--> (t_wolves_fan &#064; January 30, 2007 02:04 pm)
[email protected] 30, 2007 02:25 am

:lol: Originality in it&#39;s purest form.
And what about you is original in any way? [/b]
Most things.


An angry, drug-abusing, working-class student who thinks she knows everything and likes to insult people. I won&#39;t deny I&#39;m angry, but you would be too if you had the ability to read and understand marx. I would like to dispute the idea that someone can &#39;abuse&#39; a recreational drug by using it recreationally, I would like you to tell me exactly how I&#39;m &#39;abusing&#39; drugs simply by taking them. I also would like to dispute the idea that I think I know everything, as it&#39;s a concept incongrous with my being a student - what would I be trying to learn if I knew everything?


In other words, a typical loser. Considering this is coming from some shitheap that pretends to be an improtant policy bigwig online so they can troll a forum I really don&#39;t think it&#39;s a valid criticism.


There&#39;s only about 5 million of you here in the states. You can&#39;t walk by a bus stop or order at the counter of a Kentucky Fried Chicken without running into a cookie-cutter, conformo clone of you. Really? You&#39;ve met and had a conversation with all 5 million people that you can make these ridiculous claims? If there were, in fact, 5 million angry communists do you honestly think that you wouldn&#39;t have your back pressed to the fucking wall?


Please stop pretending that you&#39;re original, that anything you say has any shock value, or that any of your opinions or even your existence matters in any way because it doesn&#39;t. Look, I&#39;m really sorry that your wife has left you or you&#39;re getting over alcholism or whatever the fuck your problem is but there is no need to take it out on me is there? Still, at least all the time you&#39;re writing this you&#39;re not beating your kids or whatever the fuck it is you do as a hobby.


Fulfill your role in life and implement your defense mechanisms by flaming away. No one has a &#39;role&#39; in life you bourgoise prick.

I know your kind too, there are less of you but you have more money. You&#39;re all pathetic parodies of human beings. Rare as it is for me to resort to emotional insults but I&#39;m prepared to say that your kind are not burdened with real compassion or any sort of conscience - sure you may be able to feel an empty replica of what ordinary people refer to as guilt but you&#39;ll never understand any remorse because you think that just because you&#39;re white, hetrosexual, male and bourgeoise the world owes you everything and not only that it owes you everything on a plate of gold with a garnis hof the blood seat and tears of the working class. Your kind try to justify their existance simply because they know that if they didn&#39;t people would see beyond your stupid charade of usefullness and bayonet you through the fucking skull. Your kind start most of their idiot rants with "I&#39;m not racist but...", "I&#39;m not homophobic but..." or "I&#39;m no misogynist but..." but you would never give up your white privelege, your straight privelege or your male privelege. I don&#39;t see your kind because they are afraid of walking the streets I walk, they think the poor are all out to steal from them and I don&#39;t weep for them if this fear becomes true, because frankly what they have belongs to the poor, the ones who work for your kind to continue eating caviar and drinking champagne & goostear cocktails. The only thing I can say in your favour is that you give me an abundance of material when I go out and do stand up gigs.

You&#39;re a monumentally poor excuse for a person, your irrelevent reply to this, though vastly amusing to you will be thought provking to most members of this messageboard, the thoughts being provked being "What is this piss-dragon doing here?" or "Why hasn&#39;t this tosser killed himself yet". Personally my thought will be "Oh for fuck&#39;s sake, he hasn&#39;t left yet".

[t_wolves_fan]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/images/smilies/violin.gif

[Question everything]

since every one else is posting here I may as well to...

Class- petty bourgouse

Job- Student

what led you to spent so much time on revleft- alot of reasons, the two main ones to find out about politics and I&#39;m bored

where I Align myself politically- I don&#39;t know I&#39;m the worlds first catholic communist, so I&#39;ll settle for socialist or leftist :unsure:

what do I normally do for entertainment- umm... :unsure: any thing to kill the time, do stuff with friends :) , read, play games on the net, :D and chat with you guys :wub: ( :P ) and laugh my ass of at idiots :lol: which there is a surprising amout of on this forum :P

do you have children- no

Anything else- I&#39;m bored :mellow:

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by patton+January 29, 2007 07:36 pm--> (patton @ January 29, 2007 07:36 pm)
[email protected] 29, 2007 07:28 pm

How much do you make, if you work for a wage? I don&#39;t work, I&#39;m studying for my Leaving Cert at the mo.
RedStar1916 what is a leaving cert? ;) [/b]
The exams you take before you go to college/university. Your performance in these exams determines whether or not you go to college, and what college course you get into.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 04:23 am
The exams you take before you go to college/university. Your performance in these exams determines whether or not you go to college, and what college course you get into.
Good luck to you then ;)

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by knight of cydonia+January 30, 2007 09:28 pm--> (knight of cydonia @ January 30, 2007 09:28 pm)
[email protected] 31, 2007 04:23 am
The exams you take before you go to college/university. Your performance in these exams determines whether or not you go to college, and what college course you get into.
Good luck to you then ;) [/b]
Thanks&#33;&#33; I&#39;ll need it if I&#39;m to get any of my first choices.

[t_wolves_fan]

Indeed, good luck RedStar.

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 02:04 pm
There&#39;s only about 5 million of you here in the states.
Not a bad number at all by any account. But still loosing to the number of stuck up pricks on the internet who feel putting down people they will never met in oh so predictable ways is clever.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 12:46 am
pricks on the internet who feel putting down people they will never met in oh so predictable ways is clever.
Do you have the same complaint about Jazzratt, since she makes it clear 2-3 times a day that&#39;s one of her primary goals here?

Or does it only apply to folks like me?

[razboz]

Originally posted by patton+January 31, 2007 03:38 pm--> (patton @ January 31, 2007 03:38 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 02:49 am

[email protected] 31, 2007 12:46 am
pricks on the internet who feel putting down people they will never met in oh so predictable ways is clever.
Do you have the same complaint about Jazzratt, since she makes it clear 2-3 times a day that&#39;s one of her primary goals here?

Or does it only apply to folks like me?
I agree with you there is a double standard here. The commies can say whatever they want us but we have to watch what we say. I have i had 4 warnings 1 more and i am gone, the last one was for calling a commie a nerd which is totally stupid. :blink: [/b]
Well thats kind of the point of restricting people to OI. This is the Revolutionary Left messageboard, not the "We&#39;re Open to Everyone Including Capitalists and Fascists Message Board"

The point being there is a double standard on this board because people who actually care about people have double standards about people who don&#39;t.

[wtfm8lol]

I have i had 4 warnings 1 more and i am gone, the last one was for calling a commie a nerd which is totally stupid. blink.gif

i have four as well..two for spamming (one i guess was justified) and one for flaming and one for homophobia of all things

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 04:22 pm
The point being there is a double standard on this board because people who actually care about people have double standards about people who don&#39;t.
Which is a long way to say you&#39;re a hypocrite.

It&#39;s funny that you claim license to caring about people, that&#39;s the oldest trick in the book.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by Demogorgon+January 31, 2007 12:46 am--> (Demogorgon @ January 31, 2007 12:46 am)
[email protected] 30, 2007 02:04 pm
There&#39;s only about 5 million of you here in the states.
Not a bad number at all by any account. But still loosing to the number of stuck up pricks on the internet who feel putting down people they will never met in oh so predictable ways is clever. [/b]
Oh and I didn&#39;t mean 5 million communists.

We could have the American communist convention at a local Chuck-E-Cheese.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+January 31, 2007 05:56 pm--> (t_wolves_fan @ January 31, 2007 05:56 pm)
[email protected] 31, 2007 04:22 pm
The point being there is a double standard on this board because people who actually care about people have double standards about people who don&#39;t.
Which is a long way to say you&#39;re a hypocrite. [/b]
I think what he meant to say was:
"We apply different standards to people depending on their beliefs." or something similar, at least that&#39;s what I do. If your beliefs are shit, so are you.


It&#39;s funny that you claim license to caring about people, that&#39;s the oldest trick in the book. Most people would recognise a desire to create an egalatarian society is by definition caring about people. Unlike your "everyone for themselves, I&#39;m entitled to all the pie" approach - which is a deep love of the self.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by patton+January 31, 2007 10:50 pm--> (patton @ January 31, 2007 10:50 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 09:51 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 05:56 pm

[email protected] 31, 2007 04:22 pm
The point being there is a double standard on this board because people who actually care about people have double standards about people who don&#39;t.
Which is a long way to say you&#39;re a hypocrite.
I think what he meant to say was:
"We apply different standards to people depending on their beliefs." or something similar, at least that&#39;s what I do. If your beliefs are shit, so are you.


It&#39;s funny that you claim license to caring about people, that&#39;s the oldest trick in the book. Most people would recognise a desire to create an egalatarian society is by definition caring about people. Unlike your "everyone for themselves, I&#39;m entitled to all the pie" approach - which is a deep love of the self.
Thats not fair though, if you guys start flaming us we should be able to start flaming you guys right back. [/b]
No, you are here as tolerated guests not as fellow members, that we respect you enough to allow your posting is the concession we make.

Personally though I think warning points for flaming not matter who is flaming are stupid. However that is not the overall view of this website.

I have been warned for flaming one restricted member, but that was because the mod had a massive hard on for them.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 11:53 am

I have i had 4 warnings 1 more and i am gone, the last one was for calling a commie a nerd which is totally stupid. blink.gif

i have four as well..two for spamming (one i guess was justified) and one for flaming and one for homophobia of all things
i said something was gay and i got warned. pretty fuckign lame.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by colonelguppy+February 01, 2007 01:46 am--> (colonelguppy @ February 01, 2007 01:46 am)
[email protected] 31, 2007 11:53 am

I have i had 4 warnings 1 more and i am gone, the last one was for calling a commie a nerd which is totally stupid. blink.gif

i have four as well..two for spamming (one i guess was justified) and one for flaming and one for homophobia of all things
i said something was gay and i got warned. pretty fuckign lame. [/b]
Of course you did. We do not tolerate homophobia that salient.

[t_wolves_fan]

I think what he meant to say was:
"We apply different standards to people depending on their beliefs." or something similar,

Right, which is hypocrisy.


Most people would recognise a desire to create an egalatarian society is by definition caring about people.

They&#39;d be wrong. Being paternalistic doesn&#39;t mean you care, it means you want control. You&#39;re exhibit "A" of that.

[cormacobear]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 01:47 am
I&#39;m positive a thread like this has been posted before, but I&#39;m curious about the current strain of OI kiddies out there. Sooo...

What class do you belong to? How much do you make, if you work for a wage? What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft? What do you do for entertainment? What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms? Do you have children? Anything else about you?

---

Please, be entirely honest.. it isn&#39;t as though you&#39;re going to suddenly give us an epiphany if you say you&#39;re a fifty year old factory worker, and we already dislike you so you aren&#39;t going to convince us to like you more. I&#39;m simply curious as to where you&#39;re coming from. I&#39;m guessing there&#39;s about the same class-membership 9and average age) here for OI as there is for the rest of the board, but I don&#39;t know for sure.

Wheres yous alls comings froms?
1. Proletariat

2. combined household income 25,000- 30,000

3. Atempting to expand the leftist on-line network, to debate and expand my knowledge of leftist political philosophy.

4. Listen to Audio University lectures, play DnD

5. Democratic Socialism

6. hope to have a baby this year

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+January 31, 2007 08:49 pm--> (Jazzratt @ January 31, 2007 08:49 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 01:46 am

[email protected] 31, 2007 11:53 am

I have i had 4 warnings 1 more and i am gone, the last one was for calling a commie a nerd which is totally stupid. blink.gif

i have four as well..two for spamming (one i guess was justified) and one for flaming and one for homophobia of all things
i said something was gay and i got warned. pretty fuckign lame.
Of course you did. We do not tolerate homophobia that salient. [/b]
yeah the definition of the word gay couldn&#39;t have multiple meanings, could it? i&#39;m definately a homophobe.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by colonelguppy+February 01, 2007 07:52 am--> (colonelguppy @ February 01, 2007 07:52 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 08:49 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 01:46 am

[email protected] 31, 2007 11:53 am

I have i had 4 warnings 1 more and i am gone, the last one was for calling a commie a nerd which is totally stupid. blink.gif

i have four as well..two for spamming (one i guess was justified) and one for flaming and one for homophobia of all things
i said something was gay and i got warned. pretty fuckign lame.
Of course you did. We do not tolerate homophobia that salient.
yeah the definition of the word gay couldn&#39;t have multiple meanings, could it? i&#39;m definately a homophobe. [/b]
If you use &#39;gay&#39; to mean anything other than homosexual or incredibly happy then yes, you are using language offensive to a lot of queers. Even if you don&#39;t intend it, it&#39;s best to avoid it. This is the reason I don&#39;t say "That&#39;s so negroid" when I wish to express my distaste at something.

Wanker.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 01:06 pm

If you use &#39;gay&#39; to mean anything other than homosexual or incredibly happy then yes, you are using language offensive to a lot of queers. Even if you don&#39;t intend it, it&#39;s best to avoid it. This is the reason I don&#39;t say "That&#39;s so negroid" when I wish to express my distaste at something.

Wanker.
While I agree it makes sense to avoid language that offends people, I cannot help but be reminded by your post of the conversation in 1984 where Winston&#39;s coworker is talking about the Newspeak dictionary and how it will eventually make thoughtcrime impossible.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+February 01, 2007 02:14 pm--> (t_wolves_fan @ February 01, 2007 02:14 pm)
[email protected] 01, 2007 01:06 pm

If you use &#39;gay&#39; to mean anything other than homosexual or incredibly happy then yes, you are using language offensive to a lot of queers. Even if you don&#39;t intend it, it&#39;s best to avoid it. This is the reason I don&#39;t say "That&#39;s so negroid" when I wish to express my distaste at something.

Wanker.
While I agree it makes sense to avoid language that offends people, I cannot help but be reminded by your post of the conversation in 1984 where Winston&#39;s coworker is talking about the Newspeak dictionary and how it will eventually make thoughtcrime impossible. [/b]
I do see the parralells there.

Oh and in response to your earlier accusation that treating people differently is hypocrisy: you have a fucking weird concept of hypocrisy. There is nothing incongrous to our belief system in treating those who oppose it in a less than welcoming fashion.

COuld you explain how egalatarianism and paternalism are synonyms please?

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 02:27 pm
I do see the parralells there.


I&#39;m shocked.


COuld you explain how egalatarianism and paternalism are synonyms please?

Sure. You think that by making everyone "equal" (according to your definition of equal), you are making their lives better for them because they are not capable of doing it themselves.

That&#39;s why you think people who have beliefs that differ from yours need to be "corrected". They need to agree with you, for their own good.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+February 01, 2007 08:06 am--> (Jazzratt @ February 01, 2007 08:06 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 07:52 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 08:49 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 01:46 am

[email protected] 31, 2007 11:53 am

I have i had 4 warnings 1 more and i am gone, the last one was for calling a commie a nerd which is totally stupid. blink.gif

i have four as well..two for spamming (one i guess was justified) and one for flaming and one for homophobia of all things
i said something was gay and i got warned. pretty fuckign lame.
Of course you did. We do not tolerate homophobia that salient.
yeah the definition of the word gay couldn&#39;t have multiple meanings, could it? i&#39;m definately a homophobe.
If you use &#39;gay&#39; to mean anything other than homosexual or incredibly happy then yes, you are using language offensive to a lot of queers. Even if you don&#39;t intend it, it&#39;s best to avoid it. This is the reason I don&#39;t say "That&#39;s so negroid" when I wish to express my distaste at something.

Wanker. [/b]
i don&#39;t know about where you live, but in america the word has taken on several different meanings and context is usually good enough for most poeple to figure out what you&#39;re talking about. i don&#39;t think negro has quite gotten to that level yet.

but wait, you can say queers in direct referrence to homosexuals but i can&#39;t refer to something as gay?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 02:37 pm

COuld you explain how egalatarianism and paternalism are synonyms please?

Sure. You think that by making everyone "equal" (according to your definition of equal), you are making their lives better for them because they are not capable of doing it themselves.
The whole point is that they can do it for themselves. They simply have to know about it as an alternative - and capitalism has used ignorance as a defense against class struggle for years until we get idiots like you who have no idea what communism is defending your pointless outdated system.


That&#39;s why you think people who have beliefs that differ from yours need to be "corrected". They need to agree with you, for their own good. If somone holds a beleif that is false they should be taught wrong that is true. What the fuck is wrong with that sentence, dipshit?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 06:11 pm
i don&#39;t know about where you live, but in america the word has taken on several different meanings and context is usually good enough for most poeple to figure out what you&#39;re talking about. i don&#39;t think negro has quite gotten to that level yet.

SOrry but saying "gay can mean lame" doesn&#39;t excuse it. You know full well that queers will always be offended at the idea that they are synonymous with things that are bad.I bet you can&#39;t wait until negro has gotten to that level so you can be insulting to black people too.


but wait, you can say queers in direct referrence to homosexuals but i can&#39;t refer to something as gay? Yes, what is wrong with this - queer is not a homophobic term - it is a reclaimed word. If you called me queer I&#39;d probably kick your fucking head in, but if another LGBT person refered to me as queer it would be fine.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 06:18 pm
The whole point is that they can do it for themselves.
With your benevolent and enlightened guidance, right High Priestess?

:lol:



If somone holds a beleif that is false they should be taught wrong that is true.

How drunk/high were you when you wrote that...uh..."sentence"?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+February 01, 2007 07:53 pm--> (t_wolves_fan @ February 01, 2007 07:53 pm)
[email protected] 01, 2007 06:18 pm
The whole point is that they can do it for themselves.
With your benevolent and enlightened guidance, right High Priestess?

:lol: [/b]
WHat the fuck do they need guidance for, they can do it themselves. They simply need to know what the alternative is to capitalism.




If somone holds a beleif that is false they should be taught wrong that is true.

How drunk/high were you when you wrote that...uh..."sentence"? Fairly.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 07:55 pm

How drunk/high were you when you wrote that...uh..."sentence"? Fairly. [/quote]
You spend a lot of time drunk or high, don&#39;t you.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 07:57 pm


How drunk/high were you when you wrote that...uh..."sentence"? Fairly.
You spend a lot of time drunk or high, don&#39;t you. [/quote]
Sorry, did I invite you to start asking me personal questions, first about my childhood now about my choice of recreational activity. It&#39;s quite creepy actually, and you&#39;re a married man.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 08:07 pm

Sorry, did I invite you to start asking me personal questions, first about my childhood now about my choice of recreational activity. It&#39;s quite creepy actually, and you&#39;re a married man.
Yeah but snap psychoanalytical judgements are a hobby of mine.

Let&#39;s try it this way: how much weight should I put into an economic/political theory that is advocated by someone who is quite often high and seems to take great pleasure in hurling childish insults?

At the very least, can you understand why that would make some people skeptical?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+February 01, 2007 08:16 pm--> (t_wolves_fan @ February 01, 2007 08:16 pm)
[email protected] 01, 2007 08:07 pm

Sorry, did I invite you to start asking me personal questions, first about my childhood now about my choice of recreational activity. It&#39;s quite creepy actually, and you&#39;re a married man.
Yeah but snap psychoanalytical judgements are a hobby of mine.

[/b]
Try something more interesting. Self harm, perhaps?


Let&#39;s try it this way: how much weight should I put into an economic/political theory that is advocated by someone who is quite often high and seems to take great pleasure in hurling childish insults? I don&#39;t know, what&#39;s the economic/political theory. Whether someone drinks or takes drugs does not affect the feasablity of a socioeconomic system.


At the very least, can you understand why that would make some people skeptical? Yes. They are being illogical.

[colonelguppy]

SOrry but saying "gay can mean lame" doesn&#39;t excuse it. You know full well that queers will always be offended at the idea that they are synonymous with things that are bad.

most intelligent gay people should realize that the word in its most common use has nothing to do with them or their lifestyles, and if they are still offended, fuck em they&#39;re not worth worrying about.


I bet you can&#39;t wait until negro has gotten to that level so you can be insulting to black people too.

how did you get so good at judging peoples intentions over the internet about things they&#39;ve never talked about? god damn i wish i could do that.


Yes, what is wrong with this - queer is not a homophobic term - it is a reclaimed word.

queer isn&#39;t a homophobic term? this is news.

note that i don&#39;t actually care about "offensive" words, i just don&#39;t like the inconsistencies.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

most intelligent gay people should realize that the word in its most common use has nothing to do with them or their lifestyles, and if they are still offended, fuck em they&#39;re not worth worrying about.
I&#39;m sorry, you are comparing something to a homosexual and the understanding is that you are trying to discredit it. It follows that you believe homosexuals to be inferior in some way, to the extent that even verbal association with homosexuality is implicative of inferiority in your eyes. You, sir, are a raging homophobe and do not deserve to speak.


queer isn&#39;t a homophobic term? this is news.
Only to you. The word queer has actually been "reclaimed" by the gay community in recent years.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 10:12 pm

SOrry but saying "gay can mean lame" doesn&#39;t excuse it. You know full well that queers will always be offended at the idea that they are synonymous with things that are bad.

most intelligent gay people should realize that the word in its most common use has nothing to do with them or their lifestyles, and if they are still offended, fuck em they&#39;re not worth worrying about.
:huh: "In it&#39;s most common use", what the fuck are you babbling about? It is most often used in place of homosexual, because that sounds too scientific (I guess). Unless, somehow the debate around Gay Marriage is actually about Shitty Marriages and I&#39;ve been confused.



I bet you can&#39;t wait until negro has gotten to that level so you can be insulting to black people too.

how did you get so good at judging peoples intentions over the internet about things they&#39;ve never talked about? god damn i wish i could do that. You&#39;re the one who chose to point out that it hadn&#39;t "quite got to that level" implies that you think it&#39;s possible for it to get to that level and considering you seem to have no problem in offending people, doubtless - maybe - a little relish in doing it as well. Not that it matters.



Yes, what is wrong with this - queer is not a homophobic term - it is a reclaimed word.

queer isn&#39;t a homophobic term? this is news. Well, I&#39;m glad you&#39;re catching up with us, once you&#39;ve got over the changes brought about in the late 90s do feel free to ask about the turn of the millenium.


note that i don&#39;t actually care about "offensive" words, i just don&#39;t like the inconsistencies. There are no inconsistancies, you used a term for homosexual in a derogatory fashion and I have used a different term in a positive/neutral fashion.

[colonelguppy]

I&#39;m sorry, you are comparing something to a homosexual and the understanding is that you are trying to discredit it.

no i&#39;m not, its common vernacular and most don&#39;t make the connection to homosexuals when i use it. how are so many people good at judging my intentions over the internet for things i&#39;ve never talked about?


It follows that you believe homosexuals to be inferior in some way, to the extent that even verbal association with homosexuality is implicative of inferiority in your eyes

no it doesn&#39;t. it implies that i use a word that has multiple meanings in modern english.


You, sir, are a raging homophobe and do not deserve to speak.

no i&#39;m not. when have i ever conveyed any view point remotely homophobic?


Only to you. The word queer has actually been "reclaimed" by the gay community in recent years.

is there some kind of convention that i&#39;m not invited to where people get together and decide what words are and aren&#39;t offensive?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

I don&#39;t know of any dictionary that defines "gay" as an adjective meaning "of inferior quality".



is there some kind of convention that i&#39;m not invited to where people get together and decide what words are and aren&#39;t offensive?
It&#39;s called the gay pride movement; no points for guessing why you weren&#39;t invited.

[colonelguppy]

:huh: "In it&#39;s most common use", what the fuck are you babbling about? It is most often used in place of homosexual, because that sounds too scientific (I guess). Unless, somehow the debate around Gay Marriage is actually about Shitty Marriages and I&#39;ve been confused.

i phrased that wierd, i meant in the way i used it earlier. as in, lets say me and a friend get out of the exam, and he says "that essay question was confusing, that was soo gay". is he literally thinking of gay people in a negative connotation and using that to describe the test? no, it&#39;s just a word. while it probably did evolve out of homophobic origins, the way it is used now is completely beyond that.


You&#39;re the one who chose to point out that it hadn&#39;t "quite got to that level" implies that you think it&#39;s possible for it to get to that level and considering you seem to have no problem in offending people

no, get to that level as in people use it without the intent to offend and thus no gets offended because the words uses and meanings have evolved. i never said i had no problem offending people, but if people do get offended for idiotic reasons i&#39;m not going to lose any sleep over it. i think it&#39;s stupid for people to get offended by just words regardless of context, if the debate comes down to that point lets just get end it here.


There are no inconsistancies, you used a term for homosexual in a derogatory fashion and I have used a different term in a positive/neutral fashion.

and so what if i did as long as there was nothing derogatory to gay people in the context?

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 07:55 pm
I don&#39;t know of any dictionary that defines "gay" as an adjective meaning "of inferior quality".


... which is why i said it was vernacular.




is there some kind of convention that i&#39;m not invited to where people get together and decide what words are and aren&#39;t offensive?
It&#39;s called the gay pride movement; no points for guessing why you weren&#39;t invited.

because i&#39;m strait?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

... which is why i said it was vernacular.
Sorry, didn&#39;t see that. Irrelevant really, considering that the word gay is commonly acknowledged to mean homosexual when used in such a context, by quite probably everyone except you. Tell me, from where is the word gay, as an adjective meaning "of inferior quality", derived?


because i&#39;m strait?
Is "strait" also vernacular? ;)

[Qwerty Dvorak]

and so what if i did as long as there was nothing derogatory to gay people in the context?
But there was something derogatory to gay people, in that you used homosexuality as an example of something of inferior quality.

It would be a lot like me saying "that&#39;s as stupid as colonelguppy". Quite obviously an insulting statement.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 08:32 pm



Sorry, didn&#39;t see that. Irrelevant really, considering that the word gay is commonly acknowledged to mean homosexual when used in such a context, by quite probably everyone except you. Tell me, from where is the word gay, as an adjective meaning "of inferior quality", derived?

well, i would assume that originally it did have homophobic roots, but in the way that most poeple i know use it, the meaning has gone beyond that.


Is "strait" also vernacular? ;)

probably.


But there was something derogatory to gay people, in that you used homosexuality as an example of something of inferior quality.

It would be a lot like me saying "that&#39;s as stupid as colonelguppy". Quite obviously an insulting statement.

well, "colonelguppy" hasn&#39;t exactly gone through the linguistic evolution that "gay" has. my point is that in most cases (including mine), the use of the word "gay" to describe something as undesirable, the connection is not made to gay people.

although i suppose that to hetero sexual people that the gay lifestyle is undesirable to them personally, so describing something that is undesirable as "gay" may not necessarilly connotate homophobia even if it is a direct referrence... i&#39;m also drunk so that may or may not make any sense at all :)

[encephalon]

well this thread deteriorated quite well.

[t_wolves_fan]

Nobody asked me a question about my survey answers.

[Chicano Shamrock]

Around 90% of Americans view voteing for 3rd partys as wasteing there vote cuz they think they no shot of ever getting into office. I like the Green party and have thought about voteing for them in past. I certainly will think about voteing for them next election.
Yes but you have to realize that only 30% of the people in the US vote. That means that 70% are either seeking for something to vote for or they are so pissed off about the non-democracy that they don&#39;t vote. I don&#39;t believe that voting will do anything personally because the capitalists own the voting booths but 70% is the majority. They have you fooled on the TV to thinking 90% of the US won&#39;t go for a third party but that is only 90% of 30%.

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

Originally posted by Chicano [email protected] 17, 2007 09:36 pm


Around 90% of Americans view voteing for 3rd partys as wasteing there vote cuz they think they no shot of ever getting into office. I like the Green party and have thought about voteing for them in past. I certainly will think about voteing for them next election.
Yes but you have to realize that only 30% of the people in the US vote. That means that 70% are either seeking for something to vote for or they are so pissed off about the non-democracy that they don&#39;t vote. I don&#39;t believe that voting will do anything personally because the capitalists own the voting booths but 70% is the majority. They have you fooled on the TV to thinking 90% of the US won&#39;t go for a third party but that is only 90% of 30%.
It could also be because a good percentage of the population is under the age of 18... Or doesn&#39;t have citizenship... Or doesn&#39;t care about politics enough to vote... Or for some reason or another can&#39;t get to a voting station.

Don&#39;t fool yourself into thinking that 70% of the population of the US is just going to jump on the Leftist bandwagon because only 100 million of 300 million people in this country vote in presidential elections. We have a considerable amount of work to do here before any mass representation here is possible.

Getting back to the original purpose of this thread...

What class do you belong to?
Petit-Bourgoisie would be a good estimate. My rents help me out w/ school and they&#39;re both higher-level non-governmental state employees.

How much do you make, if you work for a wage?
More or less averages out to &#036;13-16 an hour. But I&#39;m a university student, and I only work part-time.

What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft?
I don&#39;t spend a ton of time here, but I drop by from time to time.

What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms?
Sort of difficult to say. I believe in a multi-party state with a strictly Socialist constitution. E.g. people could elect representatives from different factions of the greater Socialist movement, at least at first until the system can be more greatly decentralized. I&#39;m quite non-sectarian overall, however I am adamant about the diversity of Socialism and despise cookie-cutter Communist theory intended to be universal in its application.

What do you do for entertainment?
Hookah, movies, reading, I&#39;m a music junkie...

Do you have children?
Nahhhh... I&#39;m only 21 so I have at least a few more years before that goes down.

Anything else about you?
I&#39;ve been to 3 colleges in 3 years and I hate school. But I have a bit of an intellectual superiority complex and I feel like I&#39;ll be taken much more seriously if I graduate with my bachelor&#39;s. Plus I&#39;m Chicano and an Atheist. People REALLY won&#39;t take me seriously w/o a degree lmao.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Thats not fair though, if you guys start flaming us we should be able to start flaming you guys right back.
Yeah but you can&#39;t because this is capitalism, Malte has the property rights and he doesn&#39;t like you, so shut the fuck up you moron.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 07:48 pm

Thats not fair though, if you guys start flaming us we should be able to start flaming you guys right back.
Yeah but you can&#39;t because this is capitalism, Malte has the property rights and he doesn&#39;t like you, so shut the fuck up you moron.
just because this is capitalism doesn&#39;t mean you guys have to be complete dicks

[Publius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:48 am



Yeah but you can&#39;t because this is capitalism, Malte has the property rights and he doesn&#39;t like you, so shut the fuck up you moron.

It&#39;s been said, accurately, that you can tell a person&#39;s morality by how they treat those that cannot defend themselves.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by colonelguppy+February 22, 2007 03:04 am--> (colonelguppy @ February 22, 2007 03:04 am)
[email protected] 21, 2007 07:48 pm

Thats not fair though, if you guys start flaming us we should be able to start flaming you guys right back.
Yeah but you can&#39;t because this is capitalism, Malte has the property rights and he doesn&#39;t like you, so shut the fuck up you moron.
just because this is capitalism doesn&#39;t mean you guys have to be complete dicks [/b]
I think, maybe, some of that was said tongue in cheek.


It&#39;s been said, accurately, that you can tell a person&#39;s morality by how they treat those that cannot defend themselves. Generally I insult them on message boards, which must make me an eeeeee-vil person. :lol:

[Lenin's Law]

Originally posted by Question [email protected] 30, 2007 08:39 pm
where I Align myself politically- I don&#39;t know I&#39;m the worlds first catholic communist, so I&#39;ll settle for socialist or leftist :unsure:

The worlds first catholic communist?? <_<

Ever heard of Latin America? :blink: :blink:

[Lenin's Law]

I believe in big government. I support capitalism cuz it is the only choice right now. In America you guys represent 1 % of the population.

Hate to break it to you, but "far left" liberal Democrats don&#39;t make up much more either.

If are going to play percentages, shouldn&#39;t you change your political philosophy?


It will take decades and decades and decades for you build the number of poeple you need to overthrow the government. I am a realist more than anything else it will decades and decades for U.S. to move to where Europe is today. America is more right wing than left.

Not necessarily, Nostradamus, though it is interesting how you believe you can see the future.

Take a quick glance at history: look at how the attitude of the country changed from one of the most conservative decades (the 50s) turned into one of activism and militancy in the late 60s/early 70s.

Take a look at Russia: for a long time considered the most backward, most reactionary, country in Europe. Home of the iron-fisted rule of the Czar, no one would have guessed Russia would be the home of the world&#39;s first proletarian revolution, but it was.

Actually, there are quite a lot of interesting parallels between pre-1917 Russia and the US: Both large countries, being led by unpopular rulers into unpopular wars with the possibility of a greater conflict in the near-future, discontent within certain layers of the military, both considered by advanced capitalist standards the home of reaction and the most right-wing country in the advanced capitalist world. Though notice how quickly the 1905 Russian revolution (where peasants and workers held up pictures of the Czar, wore crosses on their chest, and believed that only if the Czar heard their complaints things would change) turned into 1917.

In short, as material conditions change, so too can people&#39;s minds change; ideas which were once shunned and scorned can be tolerated, considered seriously and even accepted. It happened before, there is precedent for this, in even the most backward and reactionary of nations. And there is overwhelming evidence that great change will happen again, perhaps once more in what was considered the heart of conservatism and reaction.

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What class do you belong to?
I eschew traditional class systems.
How much do you make, if you work for a wage?
Sorry, student.
What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft?
I like to debate, see others viewpoints, help them see mine, rant about why I dislike Che.
What do you do for entertainment?
Writing, reading, music (write/listen).
What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms?
Bernie Sanders (Independent-New Hampshire) or the late great Scoop Jackson (D-Washington). I can&#39;t stand the current parties, any of them.
Do you have children?
Bit young for those.
Anything else about you?
I respect Trotsky a great deal.

[pusher robot]

What class do you belong to?

I consider myself to be working/middle.

How much do you make, if you work for a wage?

I am salaried, but my pay averages to around &#036;20/hr depending on performance.

What led you to spending a ridiculous amount of time on revleft?

Boredom, and a desire to figure out what makes you guys tick.

What do you do for entertainment?

The same things most people do. Movies, music, drinking, dancing, bowling, counterstrike. Etc, etc.

What, exactly, would you align yourself with politically, in specific terms?

I would be considered in most regards to be a libertarian. I am morally opposed to the initiation of the use of force against individuals. I am not, however, an absolutist. I strongly believe in the superiority of logic over emotion as a method of reasoning.

Do you have children?

No, I am a bachelor.

Anything else about you?

I am an attorney.

[Edit: fix typo]

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Also I don&#39;t mind being an ambassador for my ideology. I&#39;m happy to respectfully answer honest questions, to further the goal of mutual understanding.

[apathy maybe]

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[RNK]

It&#39;s funny that most/all capitalists claim they&#39;re here "because they&#39;re bored", as if they actually expect anyone to believe that any more than they themselves do.

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Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 03:39 pm
It&#39;s funny that most/all capitalists claim they&#39;re here "because they&#39;re bored", as if they actually expect anyone to believe that any more than they themselves do.
What do you suppose my actual reason is?

[pusher robot]

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