white pride

[Red October]

a friend of mine, who is normally a reasonable person, found this document and now advocates "white pride":


You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey", "Gringo" and you think it's OK.

...But when I call you Kike, Towelhead, WOP, Camel Jockey, Gook, Nigger or Chink you call me a racist.

-You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

-You have the United Negro College Fund.

-You have Martin Luther King Day.

-You have Black History Month.

-You have Cesar Chavez Day.

-You have Yom Hashoah

-You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi

-You have the NAACP.

-You have BET.


-If we had WET(white entertainment television) ...we'd be racist.

-If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.

-If we had white history month... we'd be racist.

-If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we'd be racist.

-If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we'd be racist.

-In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.

-Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them... they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.

-You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.



I am white.

I am proud.

But, you call me a racist.



Why is it that only whites can be racists?

thoughts on this?

[SecurityManKillJoy]

Of course, the reason that movements made by other races are fine is because they are still trying to defend themselves in the race-war started by whites. If whites start making their own 'pride days', they are only continueing the war in the first place that whitey started, and other races still feel the heat and still need to defend themselves in a variety of ways.

Whites needs to back off, whether it be their white-pride days, their reverse-racism, their attempts to compensate races with money, etc. Whites started the race-war, the best whites can do is stop making it worse, and if they want pride, they should do it in private instead of publically, which only agitates the old race-war (even though, of course, various wars based on ideas always have an economic and class content to them). Of course they can also try and help unite workers in class-war and thus help in ending the need for race-defense, but race still needs to be considered, because many people still wage idea-based wars in general without much class affiliation, except on race-bases or whatever other idea.

[Fawkes]

All of those bullshit pride months and Affirmative Action type things are racist.

[Hampton]

Didn't AA come about by Executive Order 10925 by JFK? That's gotta racist.

Isn't it racist to eliminate black/latino/native american history from textbooks?I suppose including them is reverse racism?

[Revalation]

Yep that pisses me off that if your black and have black pride thats ok and if you have white pride your racist and it's justified by saying the black people where opressed for years they need this to be equal bullshit every race has racists and to say white people have more or are more racist than any other is just wrong and very much untrue. But my race dos'nt define me I don't consider myself to be white as tho thats a tribe I belong to. The sooner we realise that one day there will only be one race, a mixture of all races the better. Race and religion are what the fat cats use to keep the working classes from coming together they are the tools that keep us opressed just as hitler stopped the working class uniting by confincing the german people that the jews where why they were poor and lived badly. Does a race war give the avrage man an equal share of life? no!!! But a class war will so those few that have the money and power use these things to divert the attention and sadly for years it has worked

[Revalation]

to even entertain the idea of race is racist we are all humans why is'nt that enuff

[Red October]

yes, i think pride in yourself based on the amount of pigment in your skin is pretty retarded. race has no effect on how good a person is or what they are capable of.

[Cyanide Suicide]

MLK Day and a "White Pride" Day don't compare though. MLK Day isn't a black pride day, it's a day to remember a great man for his contributes to humanity, to people of all colors.

But I do agree, having pride for one's race is lame.

[TheGhostOfTomJoad]

Martin Luther King Day is not a "race holiday", its to remember a great man and his goals of racial equality, a fight that is still continuing today. I would have to agree with him on some points, though. If there were a "White pride month", it would be immediately labeled as racist. That's exactly why all those "insert race here" pride days should be eliminated. And the BET too. :P

[Hampton]

When James Brown sang "I'm black and I'm proud" it was because for centuries black people have been considered inferior because of the color of their skin. So to finally take pride in the color of your skin is important and certainly not lame.

Yes, we all want a colorblind society, but when society tells you that you are ugly because you are dark, to finally take pride in that is the first step.

[pandora]

"If we had white history month... we'd be racist."

What a freakin idiot, mofo it's white history year, and MLK day, heck didn't they schedule the Golden Globes the same day, the only day of the year that even recognizes that people not white even exist. Oh and the racists get their hackles up every year about it. I didn't see Fox doing MLK day coverage, like Turkey day, but more on that later.

Let's see:
Christmas [white guy--if us Jews are White],
Easter [same white guy], President's Day,
Washington and Lincoln's B-days,
Memorial and Vetern's days, until recently mostly concerned with whites except for a few units.
Valentine's Day (Greeks, they're white right--cornerstone of white society), Groundhog Day--no person of color made that up
4th of July get me some corndogs and some Papst Blue Ribbon.
Halloween --witches and warlocks-but related to witch trials and Samhain in guess where, Northern Europe.
Thanksgiving: Celebrated only by white side, Native people DO NOT CELEBRATE THIS, guess why?
Because they gave those white people food to make it through the year and were slaughtered as a result.
If you want to change a holiday, I elect to change Thanksgiving to Genocide Day, do that and we'll think about MLK Day, but first lets add Malcom X and Ghandhi Day as well.

The names of the year: Roman: real white.
The days of the week, etc.
The year itself, hey I'm of the Jewish persuasian isn't around 5777 or something, no it's 2007, which is wait, the birth of that one white guy in the empire of those other white guys.

You were pissed about what? Hell you own time itself! And expect Hindus and Buddhists from the other continents to follow your history, don't you think they have their own important dates? Like Buddha's Enlightenment Day, Tara Day, Je Tsongkhapa Day, Days to celebrate their own Gods and Goddesses like Shiva?

You can not appreciate how frustrating trying to practice as a Jew or Buddhist is in Western society outside of a few areas, work, school, everything, if you try to practice or do retreat you are seen as lazy or making excuses, but the kids take off a month for Christian holidays.

The numbers are Arabic though, and a lot of the logic is from Africa

[bezdomni]

There is White Entertainment Television...it's called every channel on TV!

There are organizations for whites to advance their lives...they are called "prestigous universities".

There is a White History Month - it's every month that isn't black history month...and even then, the "black history" that you learn is only like...George Washington Carver inventing peanut butter. You never hear about the BPP or Huey Newton or anything.

[rouchambeau]

Oh god. My dad forwarded this to me a few weeks ago. I damn near threw up when I read it.


Yep that pisses me off that if your black and have black pride thats ok and if you have white pride your racist
Well, the truth can hurt. Really, Revalation, I don't think you understand your place in society. You are white. That means that you have a whole plethora of privileges that non-whites do not. When someone challenges your privilege and says that white people are not the kings of the world, you get too defensive. You have to understand that you, as a white person, are on the top of the power structure. In order for there to be equality you must get off your high horse.

[Revalation]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 04:19 am
Oh god. My dad forwarded this to me a few weeks ago. I damn near threw up when I read it.


Yep that pisses me off that if your black and have black pride thats ok and if you have white pride your racist
Well, the truth can hurt. Really, Revalation, I don't think you understand your place in society. You are white. That means that you have a whole plethora of privileges that non-whites do not. When someone challenges your privilege and says that white people are not the kings of the world, you get too defensive. You have to understand that you, as a white person, are on the top of the power structure. In order for there to be equality you must get off your high horse.
did you read the rest of what I had to say? obviously not what pisses me of is the fact that people define themselves by colour. And the fact that black people hate amongst race like the some lighter ones dont like darker ones same rings true of asians look at the way the japs treat the chinese why is'nt enuff to be human? because people like you are to bitter

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Revelation+--> (Revelation)obviously not what pisses me of is the fact that people define themselves by colour.[/b]

It's possible for oppressed peoples to define themselves by colour and class ya know, either way, maybe you should ask why conscious black folk 'pisses' you off?

Oh and, for emphasis:


Hampton
When James Brown sang "I'm black and I'm proud" it was because for centuries black people have been considered inferior because of the color of their skin. So to finally take pride in the color of your skin is important and certainly not lame.

Yes, we all want a colorblind society, but when society tells you that you are ugly because you are dark, to finally take pride in that is the first step.

[Revalation]

because men that insist crawling is there hertiage will never walk nuff said!!

[Black Dagger]

I'm sorry, but not everyone has the privilege of being colour-neutral or being able to ignore the issue of race in their day-to-day lives.

[Revalation]

Originally posted by black [email protected] 27, 2007 03:14 am
I'm sorry, but not everyone has the privilege of being colour-neutral or being able to ignore the issue of race in their day-to-day lives.
privilege?

[Black Dagger]

white privilege (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=54963)

[Revalation]

bull

[seraphim]

Pride sucks wether it's white, black, yellow...............

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 02:13 am
bull
It was great debating with you, lets do it again sometime <_<

[bcbm]

You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey", "Gringo" and you think it&#39;s OK.

...But when I call you Kike, Towelhead, WOP, Camel Jockey, Gook, Nigger or Chink you call me a racist.

When someone is called "cracker" it hardly has the same weight as being called any of those other words because whites have long been at the top and suppressed, conquered, enslaved and murdered those who were not like them. Obviously racism in all forms should be challenged, but attempting to justify your racism because of somebody else&#39;s is counterproductive.


You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

White segregationist policies created the massive black ghettos in many urban cities during the 20th century. These policies ended at roughly the same time as deindustrialization hit, causing jobs and the middle and upper classes to leave the ghetto. This has precipitated a break down in social cohesion and organization which ultimately results in violence. This is true of all people in such areas, whatever their skin color.


You have the United Negro College Fund.

And? Whites are still more likely to go to college because most whites receive a better education and attend schools that aren&#39;t falling apart. Funds such as this are a response to historically low college enrollment by blacks.


You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.

You have President&#39;s Day and Columbus Day, not to mention Thanksgiving, and I&#39;d say the motherfuckers celebrated at those did a whole hell of a lot worse things than King or Chavez.


You have Yom Hashoah

I suppose genocide is a minor issue? And considering I had to google this, is it really that prominent?


You have Ma&#39;uled Al-Nabi

You have Christmas, Easter, All Saint&#39;s Day.... do I need to continue?


You have the NAACP.
You have BET.

If we had WET(white entertainment television) we&#39;d be racists.

These sort of statements ignore historical reality and the complexity of US race relations. These statements would have validity if everyone started on an even playing field and some were recognized more, or whatever, but that is certainly not the case in the US. I also direct you to this article:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...on/12386697.htm (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/12386697.htm)


If we had white history month, we&#39;d be racists.


Look at most general K-12 curriculums and tell me that every month is not already "white history month" with a straight face.


If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we&#39;d be racists.

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we&#39;d be racists.

Once again ignoring historical reality.


In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

Your race doesn&#39;t need to assert itself or its "rights" because it is at the top.


You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you&#39;re not afraid to announce it.

But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

Because you are. Pan-white nationalism has no historical base in anything except as a racist response to other oppressed nationalisms in an attempt to legitimate its own racism. Black pride is not racism, its taking pride in your people that have been suppressed and denied their own history. White pride has no such base. Furthermore, white pride seeks to divide and disempower, while other nationalisms seek to unite and empower.



I am white.
I am proud.

White as pan-aryanism does not exist. You are a racist.


But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?

Others can be racist, but this is an attempt to spread more racism, not work against racism.

[Black Dagger]

Excellent post bcmc, great job&#33; :D

[bcbm]

Originally posted by black [email protected] 28, 2007 01:32 pm
Excellent post bcmc, great job&#33; :D
I copied and pasted it from the last time this bullshit was posted... shhh. ;)

[SanPatricio&#39;sSoul]

Ok here is the difference between White and Black pride in the United States........

Whites have the priviledge of knowing their ancestory, while Blacks don&#39;t. I don&#39;t think anybody looks down upon someone having pride in their Irish or Italian ancestory. Plus people from Europe come from a host of different cultures and backgrounds. Pan-Aryanism has never been a reality outside of White Power circles.

Black people on the other hand don&#39;t have this priviledge. Whites have never had a Diaspora. So since Black people&#39;s culture was literally striped away from them and they were forced to keep the few traditions they remembered and basically start up their culture through slavery. Pan-Africanism is the attempt to get some of that culture back, but it is ultimately impossible for any Black male in the United States that didn&#39;t immigrate from somewhere to trace back their ancestory to their particular country or tribe of origin. Race is practically the only thing these people can use to be in solidarity with each other.

By the way I don&#39;t subscribe to the idea of being color blind. Blindness of anything is undesirable. What I prefer is to accept and embrace other cultures. It is literally impossible for a human being to look at another human being and not classify them by race or height or whatever. It isn&#39;t in any way racist if I accept someone as being a different race than me as long as I don&#39;t view my own race as superior or anybody as inferior

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Cyanide [email protected] 25, 2007 01:09 am
MLK Day and a "White Pride" Day don&#39;t compare though. MLK Day isn&#39;t a black pride day, it&#39;s a day to remember a great man for his contributes to humanity, to people of all colors.

But I do agree, having pride for one&#39;s race is lame.
MLK day is a sedative given by whites to conceal a need for a Malcom X day.

[Revalation]

Originally posted by black rose+January 28, 2007 06:54 pm--> (black rose @ January 28, 2007 06:54 pm)
[email protected] 29, 2007 02:13 am
bull
It was great debating with you, lets do it again sometime <_< [/b]
i&#39;m sorry but I just cant be bothered i&#39;m not racist and i dont approve of racial pride. infact im not even gonna use the word race anymore.

[Comrade Marcel]

Anyone who doesn&#39;t understand this yet really needs to start learning and get their fucking white privleged asses in fucking gear.

Revalation, I seriously doubt your intentions on this board.

[Revalation]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 29, 2007 10:28 pm
Anyone who doesn&#39;t understand this yet really needs to start learning and get their fucking white privleged asses in fucking gear.

Revalation, I seriously doubt your intentions on this board.
whats that supose to mean? because I don&#39;t feel guilty for somthing I have no part of? or beacuse I refuse to be part of the problem and recoginise race/

[rouchambeau]

i&#39;m sorry but I just cant be bothered i&#39;m not racist and i dont approve of racial pride. infact im not even gonna use the word race anymore.
You can think it will go away if people just ignore it. Hell, that&#39;s the worst thing you can do.

[Comrade Marcel]

"Pretending" you don&#39;t recognize race is a neat way for white people to try to make themselves feel special.

The reality is that while race is not a biological fact, it is a societal one. Race is a product of the society we live in. You can&#39;t just make it go away, so you have to recognize that people are put in racial categories and there are injustices as a consequence of it. You started this whole thread with the suggestion that there is such a thing as reverse racism... The whole fact that "reverse" is at the front should tell you what the cause of "racism" is in the first place.

White privilege cop-out in three easy steps:
Step 1: Pretend that people of colour can be racist too&#33;
Step 2: Pretend you don&#39;t really think race exists and that we are all the same, and that if everyone thinks like you it will all be ok&#33;
Step 3: Act stupid and innocent, and ask/beg for forgiveness. Blame everyone but yourself even though you have been told over and over that your opinions come from a white and privileged view.

Now, figure out why the richest people are white but most people in the world are people of colour. Figure out why skin colours, etc. are not really a races, but can be viewed in terms of class and nationality. Then figure out why even though race doesn&#39;t exist in biological/scientific terms, according to the dominant societies race does exist.

[YSR]

Originally posted by Revalation
or beacuse I refuse to be part of the problem and recoginise race

Vulgar constructionism in the house&#33;

Find me a person of color who recognizes that race is a social construction and then goes on to just pretend it doesn&#39;t have implications anyway because of the power dynamics applied to it and I&#39;ll eat my hat.

[red_orchestra]

---race doesn&#39;t mean a damn thing&#33; There is only one race and that is the human race...we are all brothers AND sisters.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 05:47 pm
---race doesn&#39;t mean a damn thing&#33; There is only one race and that is the human race...we are all brothers AND sisters.
I strongly suggest you re-read the sequence of posts above you :P

[Revalation]

race is only important to racists

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by SanPatricio&#39;[email protected] 29, 2007 06:44 am
Black people on the other hand don&#39;t have this priviledge. Whites have never had a Diaspora. So since Black people&#39;s culture was literally striped away from them and they were forced to keep the few traditions they remembered and basically start up their culture through slavery.


I&#39;m not refuting your point, but there are DNA tests available that can give people of any skin colour an idea of where their ancestors were from. However, these can be very expensive and would only be useful for two branches of their family - the mtDNA (maternal line - mother, grandmother, great grandmother etc) and the Y chromosomal (paternal - father, grandfather, great grandfather etc).

[Revalation]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 30, 2007 06:54 am
Step 1: Pretend that people of colour can be racist too&#33;


so you have to be white to be racist? man i&#39;m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but your a spoon&#33;&#33;&#33;

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by Revalation+January 30, 2007 03:00 pm--> (Revalation @ January 30, 2007 03:00 pm)
Comrade [email protected] 30, 2007 06:54 am
Step 1: Pretend that people of colour can be racist too&#33;


so you have to be white to be racist? man i&#39;m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but your a spoon&#33;&#33;&#33; [/b]
No offence, but I think he was being sarcastic.

[Honggweilo]

Originally posted by Revalation+January 30, 2007 03:00 pm--> (Revalation @ January 30, 2007 03:00 pm)
Comrade [email protected] 30, 2007 06:54 am
Step 1: Pretend that people of colour can be racist too&#33;


so you have to be white to be racist? man i&#39;m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but your a spoon&#33;&#33;&#33; [/b]
"There is no sp00n"

[red_orchestra]

Unfortunately, racism is a UNIVERSAL problem and not inherent in only white people. TRUST me&#33;&#33; After being SE Asia for 8 months and seeing white people being the victims of rip offs and scams simply because of skin colour...you know this is a deeper issue.

The word pharang in Thai means "white - outsider". Black people are considered to be unclean and are severally looked down upon. Services have even be denied to black people in Thailand as well...

[rouchambeau]

so you have to be white to be racist? man i&#39;m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but your a spoon&#33;&#33;&#33;
Yes. The way things stand now, only white people can be racist (at least that&#39;s how it is in much of the world). Racism is more than your simple, everyday prejudice. Anyone can be prejudiced about a person from a different group. However, racism is that basic prejudice plus institutional power (which belongs to white people).

[Cyanide Suicide]

Since when? According to all the dictionaries I&#39;ve ever seen racism is described as simply prejudice or discrimination based on race.

[rouchambeau]

According to all of the dictionaries that I have read, "black" is something that has a negative meaning*. I guess that means black is bad.

*See: black art, black death, blacken, black flag, blackguard, black hand, black leg, black list, blackly, black magic, black mail, black mark, black market, blackness, black sheep, and, of course, black.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 12:40 am
race is only important to racists
And people oppressed by racism, wouldn&#39;t want to forget about people who face social oppression would ya? :rolleyes:

[Revalation]

Originally posted by black rose+January 31, 2007 06:03 am--> (black rose @ January 31, 2007 06:03 am)
[email protected] 31, 2007 12:40 am
race is only important to racists
And people oppressed by racism, wouldn&#39;t want to forget about people who face social oppression would ya? :rolleyes: [/b]
you don&#39;t have to be black to be socialy oppressed

[Black Dagger]

Of course, but what is your point?

You were proposing that race is not important except to racists, how does that prove your assertion?

Race is &#39;important&#39; because billons of people are oppressed by racism the world over. &#39;Race&#39; may not exist in biological terms but it certainly does have an important social basis; people who are classifed socially as &#39;Black&#39;, &#39;Latin&#39;, etc. face structural oppression as members of these groups at the hands of capitalist white supremacy.

How are we meant to fight racism if we ignore the issue of race altogether? That is privileged crap, people who are actually structurally oppressed because of the racist capitalist system cannot pretend race doesn&#39;t exist, a socially-determined &#39;racial identity&#39; is for life, ignoring it wont prevent or help anyone or anything except white supremacy.

Ignoring the issue of race only serves to engrain current inequality, whilst leaving white privilege not only unchallenged but protected as well- a thoroughly reactionary position.

[rouchambeau]

you don&#39;t have to be black to be socialy oppressed

Now you&#39;re just deflecting the argument by using the suffering of people who have nothing to do with this thread.

[MissLeftistRevolutionary]

I believe all cultures/races should learn to live with each other in a calm, rational way. if they cannot, well, then, they should keep to themself and not harm the lives of others. i have to admit, i really hate racists though.

[SonofRage]

Race is a biological myth but a social fact. The fact is that "Whiteness" is an actificially created social construct - a system of privilege used to divide the working class.

As was written in the Bring the Ruckus proposal:

White supremacy is a system that grants those defined as "white" special privileges in American society, such as preferred access to the best schools, neighborhoods, jobs, and health care; greater advantages in accumulating wealth; a lesser likelihood of imprisonment; and better treatment by the police and the criminal justice system. In exchange for these privileges, whites agree to police the rest of the population through such means as slavery and segregation in the past and through formally "colorblind" policies and practices today that still serve to maintain white advantage. White supremacy, then, unites one section of the working class with the ruling class against the rest of the working class. This cross-class alliance represents the principle obstacle, strategically speaking, to revolution in the United States. Given the United States&#39; imperial power, this alliance has global implications.

"White Pride" is racist because there is no such thing as "White culture." To overthrow the white supremecist, capitalist state, we need to abolish whiteness.

[Patchd]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 06:42 pm
Unfortunately, racism is a UNIVERSAL problem and not inherent in only white people. TRUST me&#33;&#33; After being SE Asia for 8 months and seeing white people being the victims of rip offs and scams simply because of skin colour...you know this is a deeper issue.

The word pharang in Thai means "white - outsider". Black people are considered to be unclean and are severally looked down upon. Services have even be denied to black people in Thailand as well...
A lot of Thai people look down on black people a hell of a lot, as well as the Laotians and some even still discriminate against the ethnic Chinese populace.

There is a word in Thai; "eeh", which is a sort of impolite term for "the". For example, I may say, "eeh mah" which means "the (impolite) dog". This same word is also often used in front of black when referring to black people; "eeh dum". They would have stereotypical views of black people, usually being scared of them because they might rape them or something similar to that&#33;

The ethnic Chinese population that had immigrated in great numbers during the civil war were once discriminated a lot. My mum telling me how her and other Chinese pupils were given vulgar nicknames, and how the Chinese were refused jobs for being Chinese. Now though, the younger generation has got so used to the Chinese being in Thailand that they are rarely discriminated against.

Then you have the Laotian people (also, I should mention how a lot of Chinese-Thais, including my family in Thailand, look down on Thai and Laotian people) who are treated even worse than the Chinese/Europeans.

My family, and other Chinese (Taejiouw) families in Thailand look down a lot on the Thai people. In Taejiouw, they gave the Thai people the name, "Huangnang", which translates as "blown by the wind" (implying that they are almost like dust), and with the Laotian people, they would call them "lao-gia" which just means "child of a Laotian", but they use it in such a manner that it has become a derogatory word. The Caucasians are simply called "ung-mor", meaning red head.

[carpetcommie]

when you hear &#39;&#39;white pride&#39;&#39; you always think about nazis and racism(at least i do) maybe we shouldn&#39;t have something as general as that maybe we should have i don&#39;t know &#39;&#39;German pride day&#39;&#39; , &#39;&#39;Russia Pride day&#39;&#39; , &#39;&#39;English pride day&#39;&#39; to celebrate the custom and history of each nationality.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

It&#39;s a little offputting that even among the revolutionary left, there exists so much missunderstanding about race and even contempt for racial emancipation. Even those of you who understand the significance of nationalism in opposition to imperialism seem to view affirmative action and the NAACP as some kind of "double standard." Put down that Marx for just a moment, if you can, and pick up something by Angela Davis.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 05:21 am
when you hear &#39;&#39;white pride&#39;&#39; you always think about nazis and racism(at least i do) maybe we shouldn&#39;t have something as general as that maybe we should have i don&#39;t know &#39;&#39;German pride day&#39;&#39; , &#39;&#39;Russia Pride day&#39;&#39; , &#39;&#39;English pride day&#39;&#39; to celebrate the custom and history of each nationality.
Most countries have those already (national holidays); why on earth would we need more days dedicated to celebrating nationalism and the nation-state?

Why not a &#39;Burn German/Russian/English Pride&#39; Day?

[bcbm]

Most countries have those already (national holidays); why on earth would we need more days dedicated to celebrating nationalism and the nation-state?

I think he is referring to it in the context of immigration. I see nothing wrong with days dedicated towards celebrating different ethnic traditions.

[Black Dagger]

Ok, but German Pride Day? English Pride Day? :huh:

[bcbm]

Originally posted by black [email protected] 10, 2007 09:32 am
Ok, but German Pride Day? English Pride Day? :huh:
For immigrants, especially third or fourth generation, "German Pride" would simply be about celebrating the various aspects of German heritage still in their lives. Its based on ethnicity, not nationalism. Hell, we have Germanfest here every year.

[Stone]

There is White Entertainment Television...it&#39;s called every channel on TV&#33;


Actually, most of it is Jewish.[1] Observe shows like "Seinfeld".

Prime-time TV producers:
59% Jewish
27% Protestant
11% Catholic

Movie producers:
62% Jewish
20% Protestant
13% Catholic

1. John J. Harrigan, Empty Dreams, Empty Pockets: Class Bias in American Politics, p.141

[UndergroundConnexion]

most of the power, holydays, media etc. etc. are in the hands of the white catholic hands. Whats wrong with a "black history month" if the other 11 months are "white catholic history months"? Really ,this.

Many populations also have thier "national day" like in France 14th of july for example. Yet the blacks were brought to america as slaves, and thus their is no reason for them to celebrate independence or something like that bullshit, as they were still enslaved.

[A New America]

1: the "race war"? wtf is that shit? i have never heard of a "race war"
2: there are those of us white people who do live in poverty and cant afford college and that shit(the negro college fund is for black people who cant afford college) so why cant we have a college fund for every race as long as the applicants can prove their poverty
3: "White Pride" is not racist; "White Power" is racist. (get your terms straight)
4: most of the white racism against other "colors" ended around the 60&#39;s (although there are still a bunch of racist white organizations in existance like the kkk: since the late 1800s, neo-nazis: also considered a fascist orgainization, formed after the end of ww2 and others.)
5: i compell you to find a racist white person in your city. and when u do, look for a racist black person, a racist asian, a racist latino, etc.
6: as many of you have said, we should consider ourselfs not white black or asian, but human. we all share the same dna structure. we shouldnt call ourselves by "race" but by species. we are human and that is that.
i am done now.

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by A New [email protected] 09, 2007 08:12 am
1: the "race war"? wtf is that shit? i have never heard of a "race war"
2: there are those of us white people who do live in poverty and cant afford college and that shit(the negro college fund is for black people who cant afford college) so why cant we have a college fund for every race as long as the applicants can prove their poverty
3: "White Pride" is not racist; "White Power" is racist. (get your terms straight)
4: most of the white racism against other "colors" ended around the 60&#39;s (although there are still a bunch of racist white organizations in existance like the kkk: since the late 1800s, neo-nazis: also considered a fascist orgainization, formed after the end of ww2 and others.)
5: i compell you to find a racist white person in your city. and when u do, look for a racist black person, a racist asian, a racist latino, etc.
6: as many of you have said, we should consider ourselfs not white black or asian, but human. we all share the same dna structure. we shouldnt call ourselves by "race" but by species. we are human and that is that.
i am done now.
I highly recommend you read the thread on white privilege (and start to acknowledge yours) before you start claiming that racism is a thing of the past.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by A New America+--> (A New America)2: there are those of us white people who do live in poverty and cant afford college and that shit(the negro college fund is for black people who cant afford college) so why cant we have a college fund for every race as long as the applicants can prove their poverty[/b]

There&#39;s nothing wrong with the idea of scholarships based on &#39;poverty&#39; - these already exist, but that has nothing to do with whether or not scholarships should exist to try to roll back centuries of discrimination in education now does it?


Originally posted by A New America+--> (A New America)3: "White Pride" is not racist)[/b]

Right, so its just a coincidence that racists use slogans like &#39;white pride worldwide&#39; etc? That white pride is a staple of white nationalist (i.e. racist) ideology?

Having pride in a social construction which exists primarily in social contexts of oppression is reactionary to the core.


Originally posted by A New America
4: most of the white racism against other "colors" ended around the 60&#39;s

You cant be serious :wacko:

&#39;Most of the&#39; Racism doesnt exist anymore? Because you say so?

Tell that to the millions of Black and Brown victims of the pigs and &#39;justice system&#39;, laying up in prison or in graves, race certainly wasnt a factor when they got harrassed, beaten, and throw in cuffs by the pigs... or when they just happened to land a longer sentences than their white counterparts for comparable offences etc. etc.


Originally posted by A New America

(although there are still a bunch of racist white organizations in existance like the kkk: since the late 1800s, neo-nazis: also considered a fascist orgainization, formed after the end of ww2 and others.)

Right... so racism doesnt really exist but racist organisations do :rolleyes:
Since the &#39;1960s&#39; (the historic &#39;death&#39; of racism according to you) white nationalist organisations have been growing, and more importantly organising; the vanguard of racists in the US is probably more organised now than they have been in a long time.


A New [email protected]
5: i compell you to find a racist white person in your city. and when u do, look for a racist black person, a racist asian, a racist latino, etc.

What is your point? The existance of non-white racists is not comparable to the structural power wielded by white racists; that&#39;s the problem. Its not just racism, but the power (political, social, economic, cultural etc.) of the racists themselves as well that is problematic.


A New America
as many of you have said, we should consider ourselfs not white black or asian, but human. we all share the same dna structure. we shouldnt call ourselves by "race" but by species. we are human and that is that.

This is a thoroughly liberal approach to racism. Racism is a social phenomenon, it wont just magically disappear if we all close our eyes and chant &#39;im not Black im human&#33;&#33;&#33;&#39; Because racists dont care what you call yourself, to them, you&#39;re Black, Asian etc. Race EXISTS in a social context (though not biologically obviously), and until white supremacy has been destroyed and the &#39;white race&#39; as a social concept/privilege abolished, adopting a liberal colour-blind approach to racism will only reinforce and perpetuate racism.

If no one is white, if we&#39;re all &#39;just human&#39; does that mean white privilege doesnt exist? White supremacy is a phantom, a creation of the Black Liberation movement? We shouldnt bother critiquing it? Let alone fighting it? (since it doesnt exist??)

Taking the view that we&#39;re all &#39;just human&#39; from within a context of white supremacy (i.e our current society) is completely passive/reactionary in practice, &#39;race&#39;, privilege, white supremacy, racism --&#62; these things need to be confronted, challenged, struggled against - pretending that race isnt a REAL social category is the opposite of confrontation - its a position that should saved for a post-race society. In the mean-time, in a society ruled by white supremacy, emphasising the non-existance of &#39;race&#39; in social practice means remaining silent, leaving structural racism unchallenged (and thus reinforced).

[Ihavenoidea]

Originally posted by A New [email protected] 09, 2007 08:12 am

4: most of the white racism against other "colors" ended around the 60&#39;s
Are you out of your mind?

There is probably a more harmful kind of racism out there that is growin gand it is called the media influence. Steriotypes are growing with the help of the media, sublimminal government racism. The police, the KKK.. Both the fucking same thing.

The media actually encourages black people to be more like white people. Just by the charictures they use. They either make them out to be terrible ghetto-ridden criminals or encourage them that lighter skin is better.

Right now in japan one of the biggest products on the market is face whitener. LOL. Cream to lighten the skin appearance of your face. It is disgusting. They encourage that white is good and any other color is bad.

They doesnt necessarily have to be violence or outspoken white activists in order for there to be racism. It is everywhere if you just open your eyes. If you watch the movie CRASH. You will understand that.

It really showed how we are all a bit racist. Every one of us. Color, race, or occupation doesnt justify or make exceptions.


-Bella

[Guerrilla22]

: there are those of us white people who do live in poverty and cant afford college and that shit(the negro college fund is for black people who cant afford

Almost all institutions in the US have measures in place to help students from lower income families regardless of race. Affirmitive action benefits lower income people of all races as well.


"White Pride" is not racist; "White Power" is racist. (get your terms straight)

Oh really, what&#39;s the difference?


most of the white racism against other "colors" ended around the 60&#39;s

:lol: You don&#39;t seriously believe that do you?

[NewDawnForAll]

Hi, all. This is my first post, so I&#39;d like to say "HI."

On this topic of racism, Lenin said, "Racism is the worst manifestation of Bougoise Capitalism". It&#39;s been awhile since I&#39;ve read his works, but that is the gist of what he&#39;s said.

If I have time, I&#39;ll go to the library and get the exact quote. :)

[Underdog]

One reason is that white racism hurts people more than other kind beacuse whites have the power and the numbers to hurt other races socially and economicly. If whites immigrated to Africa or Asia then it would be a different story. Besides black history month barley compensates over 200 years of slavery and oppresion. Lastly every other month but black history month IS white history month Asians, Hispanics, Arabs and Native Americas dont have a special month so tell your friend to stop *****ing.

[israeli1986]

How could someone possibly object to Yom ha&#39;Shoah (ום השואה)? This is a national holiday only in Israel, and it is the Holocaust memorial day.

[ichneumon]

When someone is called "cracker" it hardly has the same weight as being called any of those other words because whites have long been at the top and suppressed, conquered, enslaved and murdered those who were not like them. Obviously racism in all forms should be challenged, but attempting to justify your racism because of somebody else&#39;s is counterproductive.

maybe that&#39;s cause you&#39;re not a cracker - "cracker" in the actual southeast US is a term of derision for poor whites. poor people have been on the bottom since feudalism. in any case, making fun of southern whites as being ignorant and stupid is still hate. how can you expect these people, hell, my people, to overcome racism when all of america openly ridicules them?

[Lenin II]

All racial pride is bullshit, same with racial holidays, affirmative action and everything else. Science has shown there is no such thing as "race" anyway. There is only one race, and that is the human.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 04:19 pm
All racial pride is bullshit, same with racial holidays, affirmative action and everything else.
Why lump &#39;racial pride, &#39;racial holidays&#39; and affirmative action all together? Not only is each a complex issue, they certainly have different goals and effects. Affirmative action for example is a key step is addressing centuries of racial discrimination across a broad range of areas - its&#39; helping to get people in the door - how is that bullshit? Surely that is better than just pretending like discrimination in education, labour etc. doesnt exist - that can only perpetuate economic disparities and thus racism.

Check this discussion on affirmative action: http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=57049

[Chrissy]

They need to stop whining and blaming other races, instead blame the people that turned the phrase white pride into something with racist connotation. Honestly in the history of america "white pride " was just an excuse for racism and religious intollerance. I have no problem if they want to be proud of whatever their race has accomplished, but it seems to always turn into something racist and ignorant because they hide behind the front of "white pride" to be racist against everyone else...

[KC]

Being white is defined negatively; it is defined as not being nonwhite. Having pride in being white means having pride in not being nonwhite; it&#39;s inherently racist.

[Ezan]

I understand where you’re coming from, but it is because you’re deriving the meaning of racism to an absolute definition without realising the reasons behind these race groups and celebration days.

It just so happens and because of no fault of you or I that it was White people that enslaved millions of Black people, with years of injustice that no one alive today could ever experience and never want to, what do you expect from the current generation to do?

When they live in a world where they are the minority, often singled out, deprived of an important part of their history from education, either growing up in a deprived area or know their family or friends are, experienced racism in all or some of its forms or know family and friends that have, what do you expect them to do?

Do you expect black people to ignore the truth, to pretend everything is equal in our world and live life without opening their eyes to the indifferences by living in a society where one race dominates?


You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live? Race is the scapegoat and people just generalise that argument too much, it annoys me. There are multiple factors that create and preserve the ghettos and being Black does not equate to it. Rather it is being poor, lack of education, good parenting ECT which is not down to race, as I know several non black people in ghettos or worst.

Do you see any rich people in ghettos? No. Everyone there is poor in terms of education and financial, not because they happen to be black


You have Martin Luther King Day Because he was a man who supported the equal rights of people regardless of their skin colour and helped to usher greater peace in his country and the world. Not because he was black. How is Easter? Christmas? Thanksgiving? Good? That’s great.


You have Black History MonthAsk yourself why first. Why do Black people created it? Ah yes because the lack of black history for people, but sure its ok keep your bias world. Your trying to tell me white people need white history month? Of course yes, because I never read about the British empire, American revolution, British royals and when I DO learn about the Holocaust all i was told was about Jewish people- ignore the non white people who were killed of course. Not to mention hardly touching on Black slavery or any kind of slavery, apart from white slavery in the industrial revolution in Britain.

But of course white people REALLY need white history month

In despite all of this i firmly believe that colour of your skin does not equate to race and that human beings are one race. If a bunch of intelligent aliens were discovered and to come to our planet, i firmly believe we would be looked upon as the human race, not human beings with hundreds of races.

Because that is what people are suggesting. If you are actually basing race on colour then your saying each everyone with different skin tone are of one race, in that case almost no one is of the same race.

Also having a brown skin colour does not equate to me being black and thus i do not see that as an identity. Rather it is the place you come from that is your heritage. How can i say being brown makes me who i am? when in truth i am born in Britain like my white friend, its not our colour that defines us but where we are born.

Too much people celebrate and ponder our differences of one another, rather than the vast similarities we all share.

[Tommy-K]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 24, 2007 10:35 pm
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey", "Gringo" and you think it&#39;s OK.

...But when I call you Kike, Towelhead, WOP, Camel Jockey, Gook, Nigger or Chink you call me a racist.

-You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

-You have the United Negro College Fund.

-You have Martin Luther King Day.

-You have Black History Month.

-You have Cesar Chavez Day.

-You have Yom Hashoah

-You have Ma&#39;uled Al-Nabi

-You have the NAACP.

-You have BET.


-If we had WET(white entertainment television) ...we&#39;d be racist.

-If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.

-If we had white history month... we&#39;d be racist.

-If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we&#39;d be racist.

-If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we&#39;d be racist.

-In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.

-Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them... they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.

-You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you&#39;re not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.



I am white.

I am proud.

But, you call me a racist.



Why is it that only whites can be racists?
The United Negro College Fund, Martin Luther King Day, Black History Month etc. are by no means compensation for the centuries of abuse black people faced.

Racism towards black people from white people has always been a huge problem.
Racism towards white people from black people, despite being just as bad, has never been a major problem in society.

I&#39;m not surprised black and asian students are forming their own clubs. Considering the abuse they face, it&#39;s probably a good idea for them to stick together. Considering it&#39;s mainy white people abusing them, if they form their own club, it looks like they are ganging up on the minorities, which let&#39;s face it, they probably are.

You can&#39;t compare racism towards black people to racism towards white people. We all know that historically, one is a much bigger problem then the other.


I&#39;d like to meet the arsehole who wrote this. He needs to brush up on his history before he starts making stupid claims that white pride isn&#39;t racist. Stupid ****.

[KC]

Racism towards black people from white people has always been a huge problem.
Racism towards white people from black people, despite being just as bad, has never been a major problem in society.

This is certainly true. But what&#39;s most interesting about this, and most important to fully grasp the issue of black-on-white racism, is that it&#39;s a reaction to white-on-black racism and a response to the racism that permeates society in general. White-on-black racism is the cause of black-on-white racism.

[EwokUtopia]

I heard somewhere that the difference between racial discrimination and racism is power. That, without power, prejudice against a race isnt really racism, it is just discrimination, but with power (economic, military, social) it is racism. This makes sense, because racism is a thing that limits people, not just a prejudice inside our heads. So, the practical example would be the black American who doesnt like white people would most likely not have any power to not hire them or not allow them to move into his apartment, while the white American would be much more likely to have this power over the black American.

Im using an American example because I have found that racism is far more accute in the US than it is in my country of Canada, and I have yet to travel abroad, so this is the best example I can think of. For instance, the views held by "A New America" arent just horribly reactionary, they are horribly common among White America. This is a media issue, when you see blacks on TV, they arent all suffering from oppression. Most likely, they are proud to be in the Ghetto, or they are rich and carry the mannerisms of WASP America. White kids see this on TV and never meet an African American until they are older, so they have this view that its not racist, its the way things should be. This is the problem. The Media is a huge adversary in the dynamics of modern White Power.

I have never actually met an African American (as in a black person from the United States) and only a few White Americans, but I grew up watching alot of American Television, and even on a few trips to the US, I find that race is so much of a bigger issue there than in Canada. Now, Im not saying it is a non-issue here, because racism bleeds my country as well (particularly mistreatment of indigenous peoples), but what I see in the US is so much worse. I have no idea what things are like in Britain and France, but the existance of human trash like Nick Griffon and Jean Marie le Pen can only mean its a huge issue there as well.

[rouchambeau]

I heard somewhere that the difference between racial discrimination and racism is power. That, without power, prejudice against a race isnt really racism, it is just discrimination, but with power (economic, military, social) it is racism.
Exactly&#33;