alternative words for "bourgeoise"

[R_P_A_S]

Im working on writing some stuff about communism. but the thing is that I'm trying to use more average reader friendly terms. something that they can immediately understand. so that they keep on reading. instead of being frustrated at the "old fashioned" words.

also if you guys know of any other words for other types of things that Marx uses a lot let me know.

[Pirate Utopian]

what about rulling class?

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 23, 2007 09:28 pm
what about rulling class?
i like that one. any more? :)

[Fawkes]

Assholes????

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 09:32 pm
Assholes????
LMAO! c'mon on now.. how about "rich people" i mean thats basically what a bourgeois is nah?

[manic expression]

The rich, the elite, the few, the aristocracy, the powerful, the bosses, the oligarchs...

Those are a few off the top of my head.

[More Fire for the People]

Bourgeoisie literally refers to the 'capitalists'.

[MrDoom]

Capitalists.


LMAO! c'mon on now.. how about "rich people" i mean thats basically what a bourgeois is nah?
Not neccessarily. There can be rich proletarians and poor bourgeoisie, though a poor bourgeoisie doesn't stay bourgeois long.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 23, 2007 10:17 pm
Bourgeoisie literally refers to the 'capitalists'.
Would "businessmen" be an accurate term? What about "corporationists" or something to that effect?

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by manic expression+January 23, 2007 04:19 pm--> (manic expression @ January 23, 2007 04:19 pm)
Hopscotch [email protected] 23, 2007 10:17 pm
Bourgeoisie literally refers to the 'capitalists'.
Would "businessmen" be an accurate term? What about "corporationists" or something to that effect? [/b]
No because businessmen includes the petty-bourgeoisie and corporationist exlcudes smaller capitalists.

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

I think "The rich" is easy for a normal person to visualize or no what your talking about, because I don't think anyone in the world can't figure out what a "rich person" is, while some people don't have a clear idea of "Capitalist" or "Ruling Class" or things like that.

[Ander]

I generally use "ruling class," "upper class," "social elites," etc.

[which doctor]

I use the word included to refer to the bourgeoisie and various other members of the ruling class.

I just finished writing about it in my blog: http://callmeanxious.wordpress.com/2007/01...d-the-included/ (http://callmeanxious.wordpress.com/2007/01/23/the-excluded-and-the-included/)

[Pawn Power]

While the rich often are bourgeoise they don't have to be. If you want to convey the meaning of the word you must use either it or its definition- those that own the means of production. If you use "the rulling class" it can refer to any time period and hence any form of rulling class; master, king, capitalist, etc.

[bezdomni]

Propertied class, exploiting class.

[50cal_words]

I dont think 'the rich' accurately defines a bourgeois, because: 1. Rich is subjective, and 2. The bourgeois control the proletarians, but that doesnt neccessarily imply they are rich. I would go with the ruling class...essentially. And one last, why are you trying to appeal to an audience that doesnt even understand 'bourgeois'? If neccessary, include a short dictionnary in the front, or put an asterix on it.

[Nemichka]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 09:32 pm
Assholes????
I love you, Fawkes.


I actually kind of like the word bourgeoise. I don't know why.
I think ruling class might be kind of hard to understand... If I read it, I would have no idea what you were talking about.

[encephalon]

corporate overlords.

[apathy maybe]

Personally I always use "ruling classes". Includes politicians, the rich, the capitalists, CEOs.

Forget being part of the "proletariat", if you're rich, your part of the ruling classes man. You have more power then me, you have a big interest in the status quo and frankly, I doubt that you want a revolution when you got it so good.

But that's just my opinion.

[Fawkes]

I love you, Fawkes.
:wub:

[Jazzratt]

Ruling clas/ Bosses/ Leaching classes are my favourites.

[BreadBros]

I would argue in favor of using "ruling class" as the best term. Its fairly easy to understand. More importantly in conveys the fact that the important facet of the bourgeoisie is not necessarily their raw material wealth but their position within society in which they dictate the very structure of society. They are a "class" of individuals that "rules" more than just rich people. It also includes the state appartus, politicians, the media etc. and other elements that are essentially tools of the bourgeoisie even if they themselves are not businessmen in the traditional sense.

[Fawkes]

I personally think "capitalists" is the best term for them besides bourgeoise of course.

[Cryotank Screams]

The exploiters, chain holders, capitalists, ruling class, and a new term I like a lot, and is dreadfully descriptive, is the leisure class.

[Fawkes]

Chain holders is pretty cool but it sounds to dramatic.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 08:35 pm
Chain holders is pretty cool but it sounds to dramatic.
I tend to be terribly dramatic, poetic, and flamboyant, in my writing, maybe that's why I use it? But at any rate, I wouldn't call it to dramatic, I say it does have a very valid charge, and evokes a certain image and emotion, that illustrates something more tangible, real, and thought provoking to the reader, and if met with effective factual and material basis, it can be an potent term.

[Fawkes]

I'm not denying that chain holders is not a good analogy for the bourgeoise, I just think that it would seem a little over-the-edge for a reader uneducated about socialism.

[CrimsonTide]

Originally posted by Cryotank [email protected] 28, 2007 12:28 am
The exploiters, chain holders, capitalists, ruling class, and a new term I like a lot, and is dreadfully descriptive, is the leisure class.
Wow, that's a good one.

I like: Parasites, Limousine Lords, Purse-stringers, purse-holders, greedbags, suits, shell-people (ie, 'they're just shells with no souls'), puppet masters, the backroomers, and the Chairmen (ie, 'of the Board').

"And you will know us by the trail of the dead" is a cool name for an indie rock group I heard a few years ago. It'd be *****in' to call the Bourgeous "The Dead Class".

[Knight of Cydonia]

i'd like to call them Leeches

[Ol' Dirty]

Call them all what you will,
It's us that they want to kill,
they're here and they're now,
but we'll kick em' out anyhow.

"The rich" is more populist a term, ithinks. The "elite" maybe, but one shouldn't use stuff like "the bourgoise" and "the proletariat" in a propaganda piece.

[MrDoom]

Enemy of the people.

[redcannon]

capitalists should do very well.

[Question everything]

my favorite word for them is assholes ;) the rich, capitalists and the ruling class are also good...