LEFT WINGERS

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

why do you feel the need to undermime good values and decency, why do you preach that everybody is the same, yet then treat people diffrent, you destroy national identity and support terrorist thinking, you are against your own countries, say you love freedom, yet admire dictatorships if they are "left wing", you also force what you think is moral, you say you dont think people should be controlled, yet in power you would not allow somebody to have racist feelings, you would not allow them to disagree with homosexuals, you would not allow thnigs that go against your "utopia" to be said in public and would most proberly get rid of personal religious beliefs

i mean what is up with you?

[JazzRemington]

Dude, the title of this thread and your name and how they appear in the forums in relation to one another is awesome. LEFT WINGERS Dont_Belive_Lies.

P.S. I think you spelt "believe" wrong.

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 10:32 pm
Dude, the title of this thread and your name and how they appear in the forums in relation to one another is awesome. LEFT WINGERS Dont_Belive_Lies.

P.S. I think you spelt "believe" wrong.
i know i spelt it wrong, but too late to change now!

you didnt say much, just hot air

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

i mean what is up with you?

well, i guess the game is up guys...you're right we want to enslave humanity

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 10:35 pm

i mean what is up with you?

well, i guess the game is up guys...you're right we want to enslave humanity
no, you dream of utopias, but you always end up just telling people what to do and forcing your moral views on people

[anti-theist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 10:35 pm

i mean what is up with you?

well, i guess the game is up guys...you're right we want to enslave humanity
If your a socialist..then basically, yes. You want to force people into an equality that is inherently awkward for humanity.

[Hate Is Art]

why do you feel the need to undermime good values and decency

Which are what exactly?


why do you preach that everybody is the same, yet then treat people different

We do not preach anything, we believe that everybody is equal, which is vastly different. What you mean by 'treat people different'


you destroy national identity, you are against your own countries

Good. Nations are an invention.


you support terrorist thinking

I don't quite understand this statement, and it's cliche but 'one mans terrorist etc etc'


say you love freedom, yet admire dictatorships if they are "left wing"

I, and am sure, many people on this board do not admire dictatorships. Whether they are left-wing or not. We have no interest in dictatorships at all. We seek emancipation from the class based system.


you also force what you think is moral, you say you dont think people should be controlled, yet in power you would not allow somebody to have racist feelings, you would not allow them to disagree with homosexuals, you would not allow thnigs that go against your "utopia" to be said in public and would most proberly get rid of personal religious beliefs

Moral? That's a horrible word. I think you'll find most of us the least judgemental and moralising people you've ever talked with. How can you stop someone from being a Racist? You can't outlaw it, only convince people it's irrational. Not allow people to disagree with homo-sexuals? What does that even mean.

Also, learn to spell and use correct punctuation and grammar yeah?

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

no, you dream of utopias, but you always end up just telling people what to do and forcing your moral views on people

actually, i think if you were to study Marxism or anarchism, you would find that, on the whole, completely the opposite is closer to the truth.

[Hate Is Art]

You want to force people into an equality that is inherently awkward for humanity.

You FUCKING what? You are probably the dumbest fucking bunch of idiot trolls I have ever encountered.

[bezdomni]

There is nothing illogical about making baseless, sweeping generalizations!

[anti-theist]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 22, 2007 10:41 pm

You want to force people into an equality that is inherently awkward for humanity.

You FUCKING what? You are probably the dumbest fucking bunch of idiot trolls I have ever encountered.
Am I arguing from a false premise?

Do you want everyone to be exactly equal, or no?

[Hate Is Art]

We want equality, how is it awkward though. All men are born equal. And we don't want to force it on anyone.

[Jazzratt]

Oh...JOY, a troll.


Originally posted by whatever
why do you feel the need to undermime good values and decency, What do you mean by the words 'good' and 'decency'? These are subjective and stupid terms, argue logically child.
why do you preach that everybody is the same, I wouldn't say we're exactly the same but it's pretty hard to be incredibly different from a member of your own fucking species. one may have a different personality, in your case one about as a pealing as a sack of dead weasels and one may have a differing level of cognitive ability - again I would put you at the low end of this scale somewhere between George W. Bush and the chair I'm sitting in.
yet then treat people diffrent, Differently . Of course we do, at the moment because we have political enemies that we must oppose.
you destroy national identity And it must be preserved because...
and support terrorist thinking, What part of terrorist thinking, exactly? The use of violence to wrest control from corrupt regimes - sure, the killing of innocents to provoke fear - well you righties would know more about that "shock & awe" etc...
you are against your own countries, What the fuck is a country but an arbitrary area of a landmass given some significance because ages ago a bunch of twats prancing about with axes decided that they laid special claim to it over a group of twats prancing about with swords. Yes, I oppose my own country, I oppose every fucking country.
say you love freedom, I never said "I love freedom" except perhaps sarcastically when the capitalist rulers of this land decided to introduce a new law limiting it.
yet admire dictatorships if they are "left wing", Not everyone on the left does this, me for example.
you also force what you think is moral, No I don't, the idea of morality is a stupid one.
you say you don’t think people should be controlled, yet in power you would not allow somebody to have racist feelings, How, precisely do we prevent people from having racist feelings? How exactly do you stop someone feeling something, apart from with a mind-numbingly dull wit such as yours?
you would not allow them to disagree with homosexuals, That makes no sense, of course we would. You could disagree with someone who happens to be gay, in fact if you were right and they were wrong I'd congratulate you. I know this isn't what you meant, but as you're such a cretin that you seem to be unable to distinguish between "homosexuals" and "homosexuality" I think you deserve to have the fucking piss ripped out of you.
you would not allow things that go against your "utopia" to be said in public I don't see why we wouldn't, you appear to have confused your stupid delusions with actual leftist theory, although it's probably an easy mistake for you to make being that you strike me as the kind of person that could not only be completely stumped when asked to differentiate between their arse and their elbows but possibly struggle with naming difference between calcium carbonate and cheese.
and would most proberly get rid of personal religious beliefs You can't get rid of beliefs, religion however could easily die out if not fed by the state.


i mean what is up with you? If you mean "why do you believe this" then I would say because we've been endowed with the ability to reason, make logical decisions, read and so on - something you seem to fail to grasp. You could of course be asking if every leftist has a psychological or neurological disorder, but since that's a fucking stupid question I won't go into it beyond "no, you mouth breathing, hunch brained, poorly endowed, ugly, pointless, backward streak of monkey piss I hope you end your pathetic existence in a pit of your own faecal matter with only your severed genitals for company.".

[Matty_UK]

Originally posted by anti-theist+January 22, 2007 10:42 pm--> (anti-theist @ January 22, 2007 10:42 pm)
Digital [email protected] 22, 2007 10:41 pm

You want to force people into an equality that is inherently awkward for humanity.

You FUCKING what? You are probably the dumbest fucking bunch of idiot trolls I have ever encountered.
Am I arguing from a false premise?

Do you want everyone to be exactly equal, or no? [/b]
No.

We want everyone to have the same relation to production.

[anti-theist]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 22, 2007 10:48 pm
We want equality, how is it awkward though. All men are born equal. And we don't want to force it on anyone.
Are they, really?

Humans are not like ants or bees. Humans don't really naturally form collectivist groups like that and all work together for the common good.

Also, I think its pretty obvious that people are not equal. I don't necessarily mean this in a racist/elitist/sexist way at all...but look at certain trends. Is it a coincidence that many people of African descent are athletic, for example? Or that men tend to be stronger than women? From a less race or gender-oriented point of view, some people are born better at math. Some people are born with incredible music skills. Some people are mind-boggingly quick at learning languages.

This is not to say that someone who learns languages quickly is better or worse than someone else who may be more athletic..but don't you see that people aren't really all born equal in every way?

I'm sorry if I made a generalization that "all you" want to force equality on people, but I took the assumption that everyone here is a radical leftist. Maybe that was an unfair assumption to take, but as far as I see it, socializing countries and their economies necessarily forces an equality on people that is uncomfortable to humanity and human nature.

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 22, 2007 10:38 pm

why do you feel the need to undermime good values and decency

Which are what exactly?


why do you preach that everybody is the same, yet then treat people different

We do not preach anything, we believe that everybody is equal, which is vastly different. What you mean by 'treat people different'


you destroy national identity, you are against your own countries

Good. Nations are an invention.


you support terrorist thinking

I don't quite understand this statement, and it's cliche but 'one mans terrorist etc etc'


say you love freedom, yet admire dictatorships if they are "left wing"

I, and am sure, many people on this board do not admire dictatorships. Whether they are left-wing or not. We have no interest in dictatorships at all. We seek emancipation from the class based system.


you also force what you think is moral, you say you dont think people should be controlled, yet in power you would not allow somebody to have racist feelings, you would not allow them to disagree with homosexuals, you would not allow thnigs that go against your "utopia" to be said in public and would most proberly get rid of personal religious beliefs

Moral? That's a horrible word. I think you'll find most of us the least judgemental and moralising people you've ever talked with. How can you stop someone from being a Racist? You can't outlaw it, only convince people it's irrational. Not allow people to disagree with homo-sexuals? What does that even mean.

Also, learn to spell and use correct punctuation and grammar yeah?
well good values and decency is looking after family, working hard, being proud of your country

but you never end up treating people equal, for one you'd treat somebody with patriotic feelings like crap

Nations are a good invention, they are about pride and loyality, just because you want to rip down what has been built to suit your own ideals is so wrong, you want to make an unstable world

you always seem to support any terrorist against your country, you seem to agree with things purually because their against your country

well it seems you admire them

its never like that though, you like to force your views on people, but in your heads you think your not

[apathy maybe]

Lets all play the dinosaur game! I don't have a dinosaur hand just now, so I'll just do an ascii of one.


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(I didn't say I was an artist.)

[anti-theist]

Also: please don't associate me with having beliefs in common with "Don't_Belive_Lies". I care as little about patriotism and "good values" and fighting terrorists as most people here. I'm arguing something completely different. I'm not saying anybody did associate me wrongly like that, but just a pre-warning. :D

[Hate Is Art]

Do you even know what equality means,

It doesn't mean 'the same as' like ants or bees or turning everyone into some kind of worker zombie. It means that all people are equal in relation to the means of production, that no one person is in a position of power over another one.

Dictionary definition:

equality |??kw?l?ti| noun the state of being equal, esp. in status, rights, and opportunities eg an organization aiming to promote racial equality.

[Cyanide Suicide]

Originally posted by Dont_Belive_Lies+January 22, 2007 10:56 pm--> (Dont_Belive_Lies @ January 22, 2007 10:56 pm)
Digital [email protected] 22, 2007 10:38 pm

why do you feel the need to undermime good values and decency

Which are what exactly?


why do you preach that everybody is the same, yet then treat people different

We do not preach anything, we believe that everybody is equal, which is vastly different. What you mean by 'treat people different'


you destroy national identity, you are against your own countries

Good. Nations are an invention.


you support terrorist thinking

I don't quite understand this statement, and it's cliche but 'one mans terrorist etc etc'


say you love freedom, yet admire dictatorships if they are "left wing"

I, and am sure, many people on this board do not admire dictatorships. Whether they are left-wing or not. We have no interest in dictatorships at all. We seek emancipation from the class based system.


you also force what you think is moral, you say you dont think people should be controlled, yet in power you would not allow somebody to have racist feelings, you would not allow them to disagree with homosexuals, you would not allow thnigs that go against your "utopia" to be said in public and would most proberly get rid of personal religious beliefs

Moral? That's a horrible word. I think you'll find most of us the least judgemental and moralising people you've ever talked with. How can you stop someone from being a Racist? You can't outlaw it, only convince people it's irrational. Not allow people to disagree with homo-sexuals? What does that even mean.

Also, learn to spell and use correct punctuation and grammar yeah?
well good values and decency is looking after family, working hard, being proud of your country

but you never end up treating people equal, for one you'd treat somebody with patriotic feelings like crap

Nations are a good invention, they are about pride and loyality, just because you want to rip down what has been built to suit your own ideals is so wrong, you want to make an unstable world

you always seem to support any terrorist against your country, you seem to agree with things purually because their against your country

well it seems you admire them

its never like that though, you like to force your views on people, but in your heads you think your not [/b]
Why is loyalty a good thing? No one has control over where they're born, so to be "proud" of one's country seems a bit silly to me.

[lithium]

Lol, apathy maybe! That was hilarious!

Dont_Belive_Lies: we do believe in taking care of family. We believe in taking care of everyone. Do you not realise that people suffer and die so you can feed your family? Are you happy to trip up thousands of people just so you can stand?

Tell me what's so great about your nation. Go on.

And tell me what a 'terrorist' is. I hate people who go out of their way to murder innocent people, and I'm sure you hate them too. But you don't seem to realise that the US government goes out of their way to murder thousands of people too. Are you that much of an idiot that you don't see that?

Get out of your little fuckin' box and think for yourself.

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:09 pm
Lol, apathy maybe! That was hilarious!

Dont_Belive_Lies: we do believe in taking care of family. We believe in taking care of everyone. Do you not realise that people suffer and die so you can feed your family? Are you happy to trip up thousands of people just so you can stand?

Tell me what's so great about your nation. Go on.

And tell me what a 'terrorist' is. I hate people who go out of their way to murder innocent people, and I'm sure you hate them too. But you don't seem to realise that the US government goes out of their way to murder thousands of people too. Are you that much of an idiot that you don't see that?

Get out of your little fuckin' box and think for yourself.
the fact people fought and died and gave all they have for their nation is enough, when my grandfather fought the vile Japanese, he fought so brave again those brainwashed, inhuman excuses of beings

[MrDoom]

well good values and decency is looking after family, working hard, being proud of your country
And your pseudonym is 'Don't Believe Lies'?

Why is national pride a 'good value'?

[wtfm8lol]

the fact people fought and died and gave all they have for their nation is enough, when my grandfather fought the vile Japanese, he fought so brave again those brainwashed, inhuman excuses of beings

Where's the ban..where's the ban..

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:15 pm

the fact people fought and died and gave all they have for their nation is enough, when my grandfather fought the vile Japanese, he fought so brave again those brainwashed, inhuman excuses of beings

Where's the ban..where's the ban..
why a ban, its true, they were awful to people, they were trained to be brutal

[Hate Is Art]

well good values and decency is looking after family, working hard, being proud of your country

Whats so good about being proud of country? We've allreayd been over this Nationalism is based upon Xenophobia. Is Xenophobia a good value? What's your idea of working hard or a family?


but you never end up treating people equal, for one you'd treat somebody with patriotic feelings like crap

No we wouldn't.


Nations are a good invention, they are about pride and loyality, just because you want to rip down what has been built to suit your own ideals is so wrong, you want to make an unstable world

FUCKING HELL. Where the fuck do you get this shit from?


I can't be arsed with the rest. LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH.

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 22, 2007 11:18 pm

well good values and decency is looking after family, working hard, being proud of your country

Whats so good about being proud of country? We've allreayd been over this Nationalism is based upon Xenophobia. Is Xenophobia a good value? What's your idea of working hard or a family?


but you never end up treating people equal, for one you'd treat somebody with patriotic feelings like crap

No we wouldn't.


Nations are a good invention, they are about pride and loyality, just because you want to rip down what has been built to suit your own ideals is so wrong, you want to make an unstable world

FUCKING HELL. Where the fuck do you get this shit from?


I can't be arsed with the rest. LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH.


English is not first language, it does not matter, it does not affect point!

[Hate Is Art]

the vile Japanese

You see, that's called Racism DBL. Go away now.

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 22, 2007 11:20 pm
You see, that's called Racism DBL. Go away now.
what is racialism?

what did i say that is racialism?

[wtfm8lol]

why a ban, its true, they were awful to people, they were trained to be brutal

I don't particularly care if you're banned or not. I just figured they'd ban you for being proud of your nation because it killed people.

[anti-theist]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 22, 2007 11:05 pm
Do you even know what equality means,

It doesn't mean 'the same as' like ants or bees or turning everyone into some kind of worker zombie. It means that all people are equal in relation to the means of production, that no one person is in a position of power over another one.

Dictionary definition:

equality |??kw?l?ti| noun the state of being equal, esp. in status, rights, and opportunities eg an organization aiming to promote racial equality.
I agree, that all people have certain rights. How does socializing an economy bring about this equality? If people are equal in relation to the means of production...shouldn't they also be equal in relation to the fruits of their labor?

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:26 pm

why a ban, its true, they were awful to people, they were trained to be brutal

I don't particularly care if you're banned or not. I just figured they'd ban you for being proud of your nation because it killed people.
but the Japanese ravaged china, my grandfather fought them, he believed what you believe, communist lies

now things have changed, my family do not live in china anymore and hate communist ideals and lies

your dream is silly, you support an idea that does not work, you can not understand, if your western societies crumble as you wish, most of you people will not be able to cope with it and will realise you cant survive, you only like to believe in such ideas from the safety blanket of the society you are against!

[LSD]

I don&#39;t even know why I&#39;m bothering... <_<


Also, I think its pretty obvious that people are not equal.

That depends on what you mean by "equal".

If you mean "identical", then of course not. No one is denying that all humans are unique. But that&#39;s a social matter, not a political one.

Revolutionary leftism isn&#39;t about trying to impose uniformity, on the contrary, it&#39;s about liberating the masses so that all people are able to pursue their own lives in a free and individual manner.

Now every society needs rules, but communism is fundamentally predicated on the principle of maximum freedom. Because freedom is only achievable with equality.

Unless all people are equally free, then one segment will always be more free than another. And hierarchy nescessitates exploitation

I may not be as musically talented as, say, Yo-Yo Ma, but that doesn&#39;t give him a greater right to live than me. Nor does it entitle him to greater social/economic standing.

The game of judging individuals by the "value" of their skills is despicable and dehumanizing ...and even borders on the eugenic. That&#39;s why so maby early capitalists were also stident social darwinists.

If the poor are "less than" the rich, they&#39;re misery and death is just "natural selection". Incidently, that&#39;s what the aristocracy said too. They "deserved" their higher station. And while the modern rulling class justifies its existance differently ("money" rather than "blood") the principles the same.

Correctly "playing the market" is just as aribtary as being of "noble birth" and just as useless a social standard.

Equality just means finally ending this business of social classes and giving everyone the same opporunity to live their lives freely and without exploitation


Is it a coincidence that many people of African descent are athletic, for example? Or that men tend to be stronger than women?

Probably not, but it&#39;s also irrelevent.

Most women are less strong than most men ...but so what? No one&#39;s suggesting that women be forced to life heavy blocks or that all men and women should dress and act alike.

What we are proposing, however, is that the biological minutia of women&#39;s statistical strengh has absolutely no bearing on political or social rights.

All women have the same rights as all men who have the same rights as anyone else. Strength, speed, musical talent, race, sex, orientation, they&#39;re all entirely unimportant. As, incidently, are beliefs, opinions, religion, and all the rest.

Every member of society must be accorded the same rights and liberties as any other. Period


well good values and decency is looking after family, working hard, being proud of your country

Why?

Who defines "good values" and on what criteria do they base their determinations?


but you never end up treating people equal, for one you&#39;d treat somebody with patriotic feelings like crap

Do you mean personally or politically?

Because politically, beliefs are irrelevent. We don&#39;t care if you believe in "God", "country", or invisible purple elves. It&#39;s your own business.

I know that the stereotypical communist is a mad dictator just looking for the opportunity to stiffle all dissent. But the reality is that a communist society would be vastly freer than a capitalist one.

At present, the only people capable of getting their messages out into the public consciousness are the people with money enough to pay for it. The rest of us are pretty much shut out.

The elimination of money carries with it the elimation of economic elites and that means a significant opening of the public discourse.

As for personally, while holding crazy beliefs might make us retiscent to be friends with you, surely your respect our right to choose our own aquaintances? Based on that little rant of yours, I take it you don&#39;t hang out with that many revolutionary leftists.

Does that make you discriminatory?


Nations are a good invention

Why?


the fact people fought and died and gave all they have for their nation is enough

Lots of people died for Hitler too. I suppose we should "honour" him then?


its never like that though, you like to force your views on people

How would we do that even if we wanted to? Climb into your brain and rewire it?

We definitely want to convince the rest of the world as to the rightness of our ideas, but that&#39;s true of every political group on earth. That&#39;s the whole reason political groups get formed: to spread an idea.

[wtfm8lol]

he believed what you believe, communist lies

Haha :D I&#39;m a proud capitalist; I don&#39;t believe any communist "lies". Then again, I don&#39;t necessarily think the communists are lying; I think they&#39;re honestly deluded into believing that their proposed systems might work :P

[Demogorgon]

Whenever I see threads like these I have to wonder. Do people think the same incoherant rant we have seen a hundred times efore will change our views. Most of the pro-capitalists in here must despair when they see a thread like this because it reflects badly on the lot of them.

[Dont_Belive_Lies]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:46 pm
Whenever I see threads like these I have to wonder. Do people think the same incoherant rant we have seen a hundred times efore will change our views. Most of the pro-capitalists in here must despair when they see a thread like this because it reflects badly on the lot of them.
and you think your ideals will ever suceed?

your pipedream will never happen&#33;

[wtfm8lol]

Most of the pro-capitalists in here must despair when they see a thread like this because it reflects badly on the lot of them.

Yes, we totally care what a bunch of communists over the internet think of us :lol:

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:58 pm

Most of the pro-capitalists in here must despair when they see a thread like this because it reflects badly on the lot of them.

Yes, we totally care what a bunch of communists over the internet think of us :lol:
Perhaps not. Then again you did register on a communist forum just to disagree...

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:58 pm

Most of the pro-capitalists in here must despair when they see a thread like this because it reflects badly on the lot of them.

Yes, we totally care what a bunch of communists over the internet think of us :lol:
WHy do you lot insist on bothering us, and why do you personally insist on breathing?

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by Dont_Belive_Lies+January 22, 2007 11:56 pm--> (Dont_Belive_Lies @ January 22, 2007 11:56 pm)
[email protected] 22, 2007 11:46 pm
Whenever I see threads like these I have to wonder. Do people think the same incoherant rant we have seen a hundred times efore will change our views. Most of the pro-capitalists in here must despair when they see a thread like this because it reflects badly on the lot of them.
and you think your ideals will ever suceed?

your pipedream will never happen&#33; [/b]
Oh, well with that most astounding fucking assertion, I am indeed convinced.

Goodbye revolutionary left, I am no longer a communist thanks to this beautifully presented piece of rationale from this **** with the intelligence of a decaying walnut.

Seriously, if it&#39;s not going to work, tell us why. I&#39;m guessing you won&#39;t have very long, post quickly.

[Hate Is Art]

Oh, well with that most astounding fucking assertion, I am indeed convinced.

Goodbye revolutionary left, I am no longer a communist thanks to this beautifully presented piece of rationale

Me too. Want to become an Oil Baron with me?

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 23, 2007 12:08 am

Oh, well with that most astounding fucking assertion, I am indeed convinced.

Goodbye revolutionary left, I am no longer a communist thanks to this beautifully presented piece of rationale

Me too. Want to become an Oil Baron with me?
No personally I&#39;m more interested in a chain of Indonesian sweatshops, but best of luck fucking over the working class in the industry you have chosen.

[wtfm8lol]

Perhaps not. Then again you did register on a communist forum just to disagree...

What does that have to do with anything?


WHy do you lot insist on bothering us

It really is quite enjoyable.


and why do you personally insist on breathing?

Solely because if I&#39;ve learned over the years that if I don&#39;t breathe, I get a rather uncomfortable feeling in my upper chest and head which I&#39;d rather not put myself through. Now, why don&#39;t you go and make yourself useful: build a time machine, go back a few decades, find your mother and present yourself to her so that she&#39;ll never forget to take her birth control pill ever again.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 12:31 am

WHy do you lot insist on bothering us

It really is quite enjoyable.
I can think of much more interesting things to do with my time than troll internet forums, but then I suppose it&#39;s you aspire to be an annoying little shit, don&#39;t worry you&#39;ll get there - just a few more years of being simply an irritating pest.



and why do you personally insist on breathing?

Solely because if I&#39;ve learned over the years that if I don&#39;t breathe, I get a rather uncomfortable feeling in my upper chest and head which I&#39;d rather not put myself through. Now, why don&#39;t you go and make yourself useful: build a time machine, go back a few decades, find your mother and present yourself to her so that she&#39;ll never forget to take her birth control pill ever again. Very witty <_< Were I interested in exchanging insults with a worthless streak of piss such as yourself I would, but as this is clearly the most droll paragraph you have ever mustered in your tiny life I feel it would be unfair and I would be cheated on the exchange, as you have so little to offer.

[wtfm8lol]

don&#39;t worry you&#39;ll get there - just a few more years of being simply an irritating pest.

i thank you for that bit of inspiration


Very witty dry.gif Were I interested in exchanging insults with a worthless streak of piss such as yourself I would, but as this is clearly the most droll paragraph you have ever mustered in your tiny life I feel it would be unfair and I would be cheated on the exchange, as you have so little to offer.

in other words, "you win. i can&#39;t compete, so i&#39;ll just give up, but storm out pretending that i can and hope you dont catch on"

[Fawkes]

Shut the fuck up you worthless piece of shit. Go intraveniously inject yourself with liquid plutonium.

[Cryotank Screams]

why do you feel the need to undermime good values and decency

Why do you choose to be obsessed, with phantoms such as decency, and morals? Why do you get to deiced what those are? How did you come about such decision?


why do you preach that everybody is the same

Because everyone is the same.


yet then treat people diffrent

No, I certainly do not.


you destroy national identity

Yep.


and support terrorist thinking

No, I support revolutionary thinking.


you are against your own countries

Yep.


, say you love freedom,

Yep.


yet admire dictatorships if they are "left wing",

Actually, I denounce them as despotic, and authoritarian.


you also force what you think is moral

No, and considering I don&#39;t believe in morals, this goes double.


you say you dont think people should be controlled

Yep.


yet in power you would not allow somebody to have racist feelings

I don&#39;t want anyone to be in any sort of seat of authority or power, but yes, in a post-revolutionary society, racist ideas wouldn&#39;t be allowed, and fought against.


you would not allow them to disagree with homosexuals

Exactly, and as a homosexual, this goes double, and I don&#39;t see why you would allow people to be against homosexual equality, and normality, and allow people to be racist and homophobic, all for some corrosive rhetoric.


I mean what is up with you?

I ask you the same question, you say "don&#39;t believe lies," however you have just proven you soak up, and espouse every lie the bourgeoisie tells to you.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 12:43 am

Very witty dry.gif Were I interested in exchanging insults with a worthless streak of piss such as yourself I would, but as this is clearly the most droll paragraph you have ever mustered in your tiny life I feel it would be unfair and I would be cheated on the exchange, as you have so little to offer.

in other words, "you win. i can&#39;t compete, so i&#39;ll just give up, but storm out pretending that i can and hope you dont catch on"
Oh so you do want me to insult you do you, I would have thought someone so obviously lacking in would have positivley leapt at the chance of escape - however it seems that you, some spotty redneck crayon-muncher has decided to, instead of leaving this forum amicably, instead provoke me into response. Whether you will realise when you have lost the battle of wits is doubtful - your username points to a certian lack of maturity and your general manner is one of boorish pomposity, which I should tell you is entirely misplaced. I&#39;m sure, given time, you could prove yourself to be articulate and possibly, if by some miracle you make something of your life and develop a hobby beyond irritating people on the internet, an erudite man of learning. Until that point however I believe the best way of describing you is as a fucking shitty badger **** with all the humour of a dried testicle and no reason not to commit suicide by repeatedly, and violently, smashing your head with a rusty, blunt, axe in the hope it causes internal bleeding.

Now will you kindly fuck off?

[wtfm8lol]

its kind of pitiful how all of your insults consist of barely anything more than some name-calling that wouldn&#39;t impress anyone over the age of 7, but which would nonetheless earn you the scorn of his teacher because you&#39;ve learned a few curse-words and like to sprinkle them into your pathetic barely coherent rambling.


Now will you kindly fuck off?

no.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 01:19 am
its kind of pitiful how all of your insults consist of barely anything more than some name-calling that wouldn&#39;t impress anyone over the age of 7, but which would nonetheless earn you the scorn of his teacher because you&#39;ve learned a few curse-words and like to sprinkle them into your pathetic barely coherent rambling.
You have nothing, right.



Now will you kindly fuck off?

no. You know, I somehow suspected that to be the answer. Oh well.

[wtfm8lol]

You have nothing, right.

Are you trying to pretend it&#39;s difficult to string some childish words together with swears and the occasional random object and turn them into a meaningless insult? :lol:


You know, I somehow suspected that to be the answer. Oh well.

Perhaps you&#39;re not as brain-dead as you&#39;re set on making us all think you are. I wouldn&#39;t count on it, though.

[La Comédie Noire]

why a ban, its true, they were awful to people, they were trained to be brutal

But they loved their country and thats why they were so "vile" to people. Trust me the united states soldiers could be just as brutal you ethnocentric, hypocrtical, flag sucker.

[Cryotank Screams]

Perhaps you&#39;re not as brain-dead as you&#39;re set on making us all think you are. I wouldn&#39;t count on it, though.

How about you actually address the arguments proposed by Jazzratt, instead of pissing and moaning, about his insults, I mean honestly, it is quite clear that he did insult you yes, but coupled with the insults an argument, which you failed to address, so stop acting like a high-horse jackass, and say something of value, and or at least make some half assed attempt at making a counter-argument to his argument, or kindly keep your mouth shut, and quit holding up the conversations with your bullshitry.

Also your attempts to somehow imply that the forum is on your side, and all of us are just rallied around your side, and to insult him with this image, is a strawman insult, and most unbecoming.

[wtfm8lol]

How about you actually address the arguments proposed by Jazzratt, instead of pissing and moaning, about his insults, I mean honestly, it is quite clear that he did insult you yes, but coupled with the insults an argument, which you failed to address, so stop acting like a high-horse jackass, and say something of value, and or at least make some half assed attempt at making a counter-argument to his argument, or kindly keep your mouth shut, and quit holding up the conversations with your bullshitry.

Is this a joke? Jazzratt proposed arguments I was supposed to address? Please, list them all. I don&#39;t see anything but him telling me I should be doing better things with my time, which isn&#39;t really an argument.


Also your attempts to somehow imply that the forum is on your side, and all of us are just rallied around your side, and to insult him with this image, is a strawman insult, and most unbecoming.

moron, clearly any attempt to make it seem like the entire forum is on my side was pure theatrics. i thought that was pretty obvious.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

Let&#39;s steer off the downward insults spiral and focus on a joust of ideologies, eh chaps?

[wtfm8lol]

Let&#39;s steer off the downward insults spiral and focus on a joust of ideologies, eh chaps?

we do enough of that already. no ones making you read it, anyway.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

we do enough of that already. no ones making you read it, anyway
True, but it seems rather counterproductive.

[wtfm8lol]

uhh...so?

[lithium]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:56 pm
and you think your ideals will ever suceed?

your pipedream will never happen&#33;
Do you think capitalist ideas will succeed? They won&#39;t. Capitalism is already destroying itself. Look at the USA. Its income/capital from other countries is being threatened. The resources of the world are running out and the US is declaring anyone who fights against it to defend these resources a terrorist. If some man walked into your house and demanded all your food and money so he could stay alive, and you fought back, that would also make you a terrorist.

Resources must be taken from the rich - by force if necessary - in order to allow the poor to survive with dignity. Communism knows no boundaries of race: we are all born naked and equal, regardless of skin colour.

What happened in China and the USSR was not Communism. The countries were controlled by authoritarian dictators - this means there was a state and a class system; two things that are completely exclusive of Communism.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 05:58 am
uhh...so?
Wow, that&#39;s so incredibly mature and has made me take you completely seriously. Why, you are almost as admirable as your glorious, benevolent, freedom-loving heroes who would never ever do any wrong, lest they infringe on the decency and morality espoused by their fervent nationalist beliefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre).

[RGacky3]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 10:28 pm
why do you feel the need to undermime good values and decency, why do you preach that everybody is the same, yet then treat people diffrent, you destroy national identity and support terrorist thinking, you are against your own countries, say you love freedom, yet admire dictatorships if they are "left wing", you also force what you think is moral, you say you dont think people should be controlled, yet in power you would not allow somebody to have racist feelings, you would not allow them to disagree with homosexuals, you would not allow thnigs that go against your "utopia" to be said in public and would most proberly get rid of personal religious beliefs

i mean what is up with you?
When I first read this I almost thought it was a joke, one would think someone that would put the time into posting on a Socialist website would not be so ... silly ... as to post something like this. At first I was&#39;nt going to respond, but its too freaking temping.

First point, good values and decency. Peopl are socialist BECAUSE of good values, good old time values like &#39;love your neighbor as yourself&#39;, decency? The point of Socialism is to fight for a decent life for everyone.

Second point, preaching everyone is the same and treating people different. We don&#39;t say people are the SAME, obviously people have different personalities, thus we treat them different, thats about being human, not being a Socialist. We preach that everyone is created equal, that does&#39;nt mean that some people we consider dickheads :P, just like anyone else would.

We destroy National Identity and support terrorism, we are against our own countires. In the words of Eugene Debs &#39;I have no country, I am a citizen of the world,&#39; I think nationalist thinking is wrong, it really does&#39;nt matter what part of the world I was born in. Terrorist thinking? What is terrorist thinking? Terrorism is using violence as a political weapon of fear usually against civilians, you wanna know who is the best at that? State governments, very few genuine leftists support terrorism.

We love freedom and admire dictatorships. I don&#39;t support any dictatorships, no matter what they call themselves.

We force what we think is moral? How the hell do we do that, we tell people what we think is moral like anyone else, but we&#39;ve never forced anything, as an anarchist, thats kind of the point, we&#39;ve never really been in power (when I say us I mean Anarchist/Communists), and the few times we have, we hav&#39;nt forced anything on anyone. Of coarse people can be racist, and of coarse they can disagree with homosexuals, why not, the line is drawn when they try and harm them, and vise versa.

The whole point of anarcho-communism is that we don&#39;t force anything on anyone, and don&#39;t allow anyone to force anything on anyone, thats the freaking point.

[Coggeh]

Good stuff :)

[wtfm8lol]

Wow, that&#39;s so incredibly mature and has made me take you completely seriously. Why, you are almost as admirable as your glorious, benevolent, freedom-loving heroes who would never ever do any wrong, lest they infringe on the decency and morality espoused by their fervent nationalist beliefs.

Did my assertion that it doesn&#39;t matter that we&#39;re being counterproductive bring this about or did you think I was responding to something else?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Did my assertion that it doesn&#39;t matter that we&#39;re being counterproductive bring this about or did you think I was responding to something else?
First one

[An archist]

ah, I was going to respond, but the thread starter was banned, so... maybe next time.

[wtfm8lol]

First one

So now am I obligated to be productive here?

[Guerrilla22]

you also force what you think is moral, you say you dont think people should be controlled, yet in power you would not allow somebody to have racist feelings, you would not allow them to disagree with homosexuals

How dare we not tolerate discrimination&#33;

[wtfm8lol]

How dare we not tolerate discrimination&#33;

Who is going to decide what constitutes discrimination, who is going to enforce this policy of anti-discrimination, and who will decide the punishment for spreading discriminatory ideas?

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 10:43 pm

How dare we not tolerate discrimination&#33;

Who is going to decide what constitutes discrimination, who is going to enforce this policy of anti-discrimination, and who will decide the punishment for spreading discriminatory ideas?
:lol: Its pretty obvious that when someone is being denied equal rights due to his or her race, religion. or sexuality that it equals discrimination. Its that simple and really not debatable, so don&#39;t waste your time trying to.

[wtfm8lol]

Its pretty obvious that when someone is being denied equal rights due to his or her race, religion. or sexuality that it equals discrimination. Its that simple and really not debatable, so don&#39;t waste your time trying to.

Yes, it&#39;s obvious when that happens, but you&#39;re avoiding my questions. Is it discrimination if I choose not to give some of my product to everyone involved in the production of something because I feel it harms the environment or something else, but society in general disagrees with me? If I choose not to help a gay person, will I be punished? How? Who decides how I&#39;m punished?

[Cryotank Screams]

Is this a joke?

No.


Jazzratt proposed arguments I was supposed to address?

Yes, he made arguments, or better word for it is assertions, if that makes more sense to you (if your not as obtuse as I think you are), against you and your character, which you could have addressed, and proved counter-assertions to defend yourself, you however didn&#39;t.


I don&#39;t see anything but him telling me I should be doing better things with my time, which isn&#39;t really an argument.

How is the not and argument/assertion? Just because you say it is not an argument doesn&#39;t presto changeo, make it not an argument.


moron, clearly any attempt to make it seem like the entire forum is on my side was pure theatrics.

That was clearly what you were trying to create the illusion of, with such comments as, "you&#39;re set on making us all think you are," implies mass forum agreement, this is clearly obvious, and the whole reason why people make these comments, when no one, voiced agreement.

[Cryotank Screams]

error...

[wtfm8lol]

which you could have addressed, and proved counter-assertions to defend yourself, you however didn&#39;t.

Like that I have the humor of a dried up testicle? Ya, sorry I didn&#39;t do what I could to counter that.


How is the not and argument/assertion? Just because you say it is not an argument doesn&#39;t presto changeo, make it not an argument.

You&#39;re right; it was an argument/assertion, but such a stupid one considering that she doesn&#39;t know how little else I could have been doing that there wasn&#39;t any reason to refute or even originally acknowledge it.


That was clearly what you were trying to create the illusion of, with such comments as, "you&#39;re set on making us all think you are," implies mass forum agreement, this is clearly obvious, and the whole reason why people make these comments, when no one, voiced agreement.

Haha..idiot. What you guys think has no direct effect on what he&#39;s trying to make you think.

[Guerrilla22]

If I choose not to help a gay person, will I be punished? How? Who decides how I&#39;m punished?

God. Somebody please close this thread.

[wtfm8lol]

God. Somebody please close this thread.

If my questions are so easy to answer, why don&#39;t you just answer them rather than complaining?

[Guerrilla22]

Because your questions were already answered about eleventeen times already, yet you refuse to concede to common logic and continue to pose more questions that make less and less sense each post.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 07:25 pm
Like that I have the humor of a dried up testicle? Ya, sorry I didn&#39;t do what I could to counter that.

No, other ones besides that, but whatever, live in your pseudo-vitrolic fanatasy that all militant capitalists on the internet do.


You&#39;re right

I know, I didn&#39;t need to point this out, as it was quite clear I was.


she

Jazzratt=male.


Haha..idiot. What you guys think has no direct effect on what he&#39;s trying to make you think.

The only idiot here is you, with your idiotic quesition, like a 5 year old would ask, such as this little gem;


If I choose not to help a gay person, will I be punished? How? Who decides how I&#39;m punished?

Also, he isn&#39;t/wasn&#39;t trying to make us think anything, and learn to type better, your writing is terribly hard to understand.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 07:53 pm
God. Somebody please close this thread.
I agree, this thread should be closed.

[wtfm8lol]

No, other ones besides that, but whatever

List them.


that all militant capitalists on the internet do.

Lol, I&#39;m a militant capitalist :lol:


The only idiot here is you, with your idiotic quesition, like a 5 year old would ask, such as this little gem;

answer it then.


and learn to type better, your writing is terribly hard to understand.

ok

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Personally I&#39;m getting sick of the idiots coming back w/ the same questions everytime and all they do is screw around. Most people don&#39;t even know such details about communism, I&#39;d say we ignore idiots like this and simply proceed with more important issues.

[wtfm8lol]

Personally I&#39;m getting sick of the idiots coming back w/ the same questions everytime and all they do is screw around.

Good thing no one is forcing you to read the opposing ideologies forum then, amirite?


Most people don&#39;t even know such details about communism

We have a better understanding of communism than many of you have of capitalism.


I&#39;d say we ignore idiots like this

Ok, go for it.


and simply proceed with more important issues.

Like..hurrying up that revolution of yours? :lol:

[Jazzratt]

Cryotank; as much as I appreciate it (I think your argument is fabulus) I don&#39;t need you to waste your valuble time arguing with this stubborn hunchbrained arse candle.

wtfm8lol; You&#39;re immature and you know it your username makes this perfectly salient.

Everyone else; I wouldn&#39;t bother with wtfm8lol, it&#39;s just a troll with too much time on its hands.

[wtfm8lol]

Does anyone else think it&#39;s kind of funny how someone who uses insults such as "fucking shitty badger ****" or "hunchbrained arse candle" thinks he can call other people immature?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 10:37 pm

First one

So now am I obligated to be productive here?
Well, yes really. Opposing Ideologies is for civilized, rational debate, not pointless flaming.