How acurate is this claim?

[R_P_A_S]

I got this from some one's website... is this accurate?

2. We want socialism.

We believe that socialism is the path to communism. We believe that the current dictatorship of the bourgeoisie oppresses the world's majority. We believe that socialism --the dictatorship of the proletariat and peasantry --is a necessary step towards a world without inequality or dictatorship -- a communist world. We uphold the USSR under Lenin and Stalin (1917-1953) and China under Mao (1949- 1976) as models in this regard.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:04 am
I got this from some one's website... is this accurate?

2. We want socialism.

We believe that socialism is the path to communism. We believe that the current dictatorship of the bourgeoisie oppresses the world's majority. We believe that socialism --the dictatorship of the proletariat and peasantry --is a necessary step towards a world without inequality or dictatorship -- a communist world. We uphold the USSR under Lenin and Stalin (1917-1953) and China under Mao (1949- 1976) as models in this regard.
What exactly do you mean by "accurate"? It is rather a profession of faith, not a statement about reality.

Luís Henrique

[ComradeR]

They believe Stalinism is an ideal model of Socialism? Sounds like just a bunch of Stalinist bull to me.
What site did you get this from?

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:17 pm
They believe Stalinism is an ideal model of Socialism? Sounds like just a bunch of Stalinist bull to me.
What site did you get this from?
this group on my space that asked me to join.. i dunno. a lot of their claims just don't seem correct to me. and what i've learn and read.

[JazzRemington]

:lol: Yah, start a revolution via a vanguard of a minority adn after many years begin instituting market reforms. Some model!

[KC]

Yah, start a revolution via a vanguard of a minority

<_<

[Hate Is Art]

It&#39;s a load of Bull.

[Pirate Utopian]

it&#39;s MIM

[Janus]

is this accurate?
If you got it from the org&#39;s website, then I should certainly hope that it&#39;s accurate concerning their goals.


We believe that socialism is the path to communism. We believe that the current dictatorship of the bourgeoisie oppresses the world&#39;s majority. We believe that socialism --the dictatorship of the proletariat and peasantry --is a necessary step towards a world without inequality or dictatorship -- a communist world. We uphold the USSR under Lenin and Stalin (1917-1953) and China under Mao (1949- 1976) as models in this regard.
Except for the peasantry part and the support of the USSR and the PRC, most communists support these aims if that&#39;s what you&#39;re asking.

[Ander]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+January 22, 2007 09:25 am--> (R_P_A_S @ January 22, 2007 09:25 am)
[email protected] 22, 2007 12:17 pm
They believe Stalinism is an ideal model of Socialism? Sounds like just a bunch of Stalinist bull to me.
What site did you get this from?
this group on my space that asked me to join.. i dunno. a lot of their claims just don&#39;t seem correct to me. and what i&#39;ve learn and read. [/b]
There&#39;s no one way to look at communism. If there was, there would not be so many different branches and schools. You can&#39;t ask people if this is correct, you have to be the one to decide on your own beliefs. Some people think Stalin was a good leader, some don&#39;t. Same goes for Mao, Lenin, and any leader in history.

[R_P_A_S]

I just don&#39;t uphold the USSR or the PRC as a model. or as a place I want to be a part of. Is not really what I read about in the Manifesto or other communist works.

[Whitten]

In what way?

[Hiero]

What have you read about the USSR and PRC, and most importantly by who?

Alot of what we know about the USSR and PRC are from anti-communist sources. If you read what they write about the Communist Manifesto, then you probally would have same feelings towards Marx as you do to the USSR and PRC.

And that quote is similar to the front page of IRTR forums, which the admins follow the MIM line.

I originally thought it was from MIM or IRTR, but it seems to be just normal Maoist ideology. A few of us on revleft uphold a similar line to the one you found on myspace.



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[Pirate Utopian]

actaully im sure it&#39;s from MIM.
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/wim/program.html

same stuff at point 2