Juan & Eva Peron...

[R_P_A_S]

So what was the deal with these two? I heard and read that they were good people and that they had some strange political ideology... peronism? a mix between capitalism and socialism? what are the left wings view of this man and of Evita? can someone tell me?

[Luís Henrique]

Third positionists.

Peronism was sort of a political religion in Argentina; it much hindered class-counsciousness there.

Luís Henrique

[Comrade_Scott]

peron was a facist no more no less he allowed nazis to live in argentina because he was in love with the whole nazi thing. he and evita and peronism should be laughed at spit at and then forgoten about. the followers should also be beaten.

[Janus]

peron was a facist no more no less he allowed nazis to live in argentina because he was in love with the whole nazi thing
Peronism itself is similar to fascism in matters of domestic policy.

[Ander]

Juan Peron's rule reeked of dictatorship and little distinction between corporations and government (third positionism). While he did empower the workers to a certain small degree and managed to anger many members of the upper classes, he also continued to maintain a authoritarian, centralized regime. His harbouring of Nazi war criminals as Scott said is true and another well known stain on his record. Still today in Argentina there are Peronist political parties which are given much support by workers and the disenfranchised.

And for those of you who did not know, fascism and third positionism are the same thing.

[Comrade_Scott]

dude i dont want to sound mean but whoever told you that should be beaten. if i recall juan before he died sanctioned the kilings of many commies and thus paved the way for the next millitary ruler to do the same. his grave should be destroyed!!!

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:06 am
dude i dont want to sound mean but whoever told you that should be beaten. if i recall juan before he died sanctioned the kilings of many commies and thus paved the way for the next millitary ruler to do the same. his grave should be destroyed!!!
why is his wife so loved? why was there a movie about her?

[Global_Justice]

all i know is eva peron helped nazis get to south america! she's loved because she was beautiful and seen as a strong but caring women. in a similar way to diana.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:13 am
why is his wife so loved? why was there a movie about her?
They would stage "differences" within the government, and Evita would play the "caring" Lady, and "convince" the government to do what they already had decided to do.

Luís Henrique

[R_P_A_S]

any more dirt on this two? so basically the Peron's were never friendly to the socialist? or to the left in general?

[metalero]

In a political way, Peronism in the 50's used populist and nationalist measures that allowed the working class to organize and enjoy some rights under the patronage of the state, meaning that no independent labor unions were created. The difference between his third positionism and fascism is that he didn't enforce mass organized violence against the working class. Anyway, it was a petty burgueoise movement that sought to nationalize some key industries, without a socialist context. This fooled some leftists that in the seventies considered themselves "left peronists" such as montoneros, despite the organized anti communist war unleashed by Isabel Peron.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 09:40 am
In a political way, Peronism in the 50's used populist and nationalist measures that allowed the working class to organize and enjoy some rights under the patronage of the state, meaning that no independent labor unions were created.
Yes - it could be roughly described as a mix of fascism and rooseveltian New Deal.

Luís Henrique