Pan's Labyrinth

[Red October]

i just saw it, and it was spectacular. go see it. the fantasy portion is really good, but more importantly, is is incredibly anti-fascist and somewhat pro-leftist. it takes place in fascist spain in 1944 in the midst of a guerilla fight against fascists in the woods. if you want to see fascists getting totally owned by leftists, watch it.
has anyone else seen it?

[Ultra-Violence]

yes yes yes yes and yes THIS MOVIE WAS AMAZING bueatiflly shot and very impresive great movie GO ANARCHIST!

[UrbanNinja]

Seriously, one of the greatest movies I've ever seen. I wouldn't consider it very political, but it does show some of the evils of fascism. I don't care what you have to do, see this movie

[Ze]

excellent film. i love how the guerrillas always appeared uber-heroic. they were communists, more than they were anarchists from what i know of the spanish civil war, correct?

the story about the rose on the mountain was a lovely metaphor as was ofelia rebelliously doing what she wasnt supposed to do in the hall with the monster.

[redcannon]

fantastic cinematography, and i always love seeing fascists cut open

[Angry Young Man]

You people are fucking wankers! I posted about this ages ago: no reply. Dick-cheeses :angry:

[Pawn Power]

weird.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Plpaleman.jpg

[Phalanx]

That movie was amazing; I just saw it last night and it blew my mind.

[rvn10]

i have read everywhere that this movie rocks, can't wait to see it.

is it in Spanish guys?

[Pawn Power]

Torrents?

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 12:36 am
i have read everywhere that this movie rocks, can't wait to see it.

is it in Spanish guys?
yes, but it has subtitles

[Angry Young Man]

My fave bit was when Ofelia (was that the maid's name) cut herself loose and gave the captain a smiley. I was like "fuck yeaaaa"
Also the bit at the end when Ofelia shoots the captain, saying "he won't even know your name."
Sorry if you haven't seen it, but as good as the rest of the film is, it's worth seeing for that scene.
And you can tell that the doctors a red because he looks like Trotsky.
Ofelia is by far the best character: motherly but a complete hardcase.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 24, 2007 05:05 pm
My fave bit was when Ofelia (was that the maid's name) cut herself loose and gave the captain a smiley. I was like "fuck yeaaaa"
Also the bit at the end when Ofelia shoots the captain, saying "he won't even know your name."
Sorry if you haven't seen it, but as good as the rest of the film is, it's worth seeing for that scene.
And you can tell that the doctors a red because he looks like Trotsky.
Ofelia is by far the best character: motherly but a complete hardcase.
ofelia was the little girl, mercedes was the nanny who fucked up the fascists

[redcannon]

just the look on that fascists face right before they shot him...priceless

[encephalon]

From what I understand, the guy that wrote it was a spanish antifa, but managed to escape to the US.

[Pow R. Toc H.]

I saw it last night and it was fucking brilliant! My favorite part had to be when mercedes cuts open that captain dicktator! Fucked his face up man!

[Xing]

I was so happy to see her kill that fucking toad.

[Leif]

Actually, I believe the resistance up in the mounatin was anarchist resistance because one of the locals was shot for having posessed a copy of 'No Gods, No Masters'.

I loved that movie alot.

[anarchista feminista]

I love love love foreign films. We don't really get any at the cinemas, so I'd love to go see it. I'll probably go to Dendys in Newtown to see it. I saw it advertised about a month ago and thought it looked fantastic.

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 12:14 am
I love love love foreign films. We don't really get any at the cinemas, so I'd love to go see it. I'll probably go to Dendys in Newtown to see it. I saw it advertised about a month ago and thought it looked fantastic.
It's showing at Macquarie Centre but not at Parramatta. *huffy*

[ahab]

That movie honestly made me feel quite depressed. I hate that the little girl dies at the end, she was so cool, and I had no idea she was imagining everything. That fascist fucking pig captain made me want to go kill someone lol, what a fucked up movie though.

Vive the fuckin resistance in the woods though! lol those guys were tight, dedicated to the max! wish we had that kind of fearless devotion to a cause now

[Ze]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 12:05 pm
I hate that the little girl dies at the end, she was so cool, and I had no idea she was imagining everything.


She wasn't. Thats what makes the movie well, a movie and a powerful one at that.

[chimx]

AHHHHHHH!!!!! I HATE THIS THREAD!

i was going to see this film tonight, and thought i would read what y'all think about it.

AND THEN YOU ALL BLOW THE GOD DAMN ENDING! Come on! Say, "spoilers below" if you are going SPOIL THE MOVIE!

[ahab]

Originally posted by Ze+February 09, 2007 03:38 pm--> (Ze @ February 09, 2007 03:38 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2007 12:05 pm
I hate that the little girl dies at the end, she was so cool, and I had no idea she was imagining everything.


She wasn't. Thats what makes the movie well, a movie and a powerful one at that. [/b]
what, I thought that because she was so involved in her fairy tales that she imagined all that shit, thats why at the end the captain cant see the faun, and when mercedes goes in the room and see's the chalk door, its just chalk on a wall, than at the end when shes dying she imagines that kingdom.

Unless...

At the beginning they were tellin that story and said the princess's soul would return, so is this underground kingdom just spirits? And I thought that was just the book she was reading cuz after the stories done it appears that shes just reading it

[chimx]

I HATE YOU ALL. YOU ARE ALL COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY ASSES. AHH!

[ahab]

lol stop reading this shit then!!!! just take a lot of drugs, od and kill your brain cells so that you dont remember anything, then go see it hahaha

[Pow R. Toc H.]

It your own fault. You should of realized that a thread about a movie is going to discuss climactic points in said movie.

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 05:47 pm
AHHHHHHH!!!!! I HATE THIS THREAD!

i was going to see this film tonight, and thought i would read what y'all think about it.

AND THEN YOU ALL BLOW THE GOD DAMN ENDING! Come on! Say, "spoilers below" if you are going SPOIL THE MOVIE!
Someone discussed a specific part of the movie in the third post on page 1, and after that several people continued to. The post where it says the girl dies at the end is quite far down the page, so why in the name of fuck did you not figure that this thread was probably for people who have seen it or don't care about spoilers before you got to that post...?

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 06:01 pm
Actually, I believe the resistance up in the mounatin was anarchist resistance because one of the locals was shot for having posessed a copy of 'No Gods, No Masters'.

I loved that movie alot.
Then why did the fascists say "the reds know the area better than us"? And why did they get an actor who looks like Trotsky to play the doctor? (I know the last one's a tad specious)

[chimx]

The post where it says the girl dies at the end is quite far down the page, so why in the name of fuck did you not figure that this thread was probably for people who have seen it or don't care about spoilers before you got to that post...?

How hard is it to type, "*spoilers*"? Every movie discussion site, movie forum, imdb, etc. etc. does it.

this thread is counter-revolutionary. Why do you all go join franco's army... fuckers.

[anarchista feminista]

I haven't had a chance to see it at the cinema but my brother brought a b-grade copy from overseas. aside from the quality, it was brilliant. if it's still in cinemas i'd like to go see it again. best movie i've seen yet. it sucks we get movies here later than everywhere else :(

[Raúl Duke]

Then why did the fascists say "the reds know the area better than us"? And why did they get an actor who looks like Trotsky to play the doctor? (I know the last one's a tad specious)

wasn't the term "red" used for both communists and anarchists, since they're both socialist and both have red flags or something red in their flag (anarcho-syndicalist flag).

Also the guy was just some fascists, do you expect him to be so specific about his enemies?

However...the doctor looking like Trotsky...hmmm...


what, I thought that because she was so involved in her fairy tales that she imagined all that shit, thats why at the end the captain cant see the faun, and when mercedes goes in the room and see's the chalk door, its just chalk on a wall, than at the end when shes dying she imagines that kingdom.

What's interesting and puzzling about the last chalk door she uses. The last time she makes a chalk door it was to escape from a room which was guarded so to not let her escape. However...she was able to get out of the room. If she went out of the normal door imagining it was a chalk door; how come the guards didn't notice?

Maybe the guards were sleeping, busy elsewhere, etc (however, unlikely because of the strict sadistic captain.)

Or was the chalk door real than? :unsure:

[Red October]

i'm tempted to believe it was real. however active the girl's imagination was, i dont see why she would have done so much and gone through so much shit unless she was mentally ill or something. another sign that it was real was the magical plant/baby thing the faun gave her to put under her mother's bed. it did help the mother and we know it was real because the captain found it too. so where else would she get something like that? it looked like an oddly shaped ginger root, something which she would not be able to get in a remote army camp.

[Mujer Libre]

I don't think it's supposed to matter what was "real" and what wasn't- it's the themes and ideas that matter. And I think the power of blurring the lines between real/imaginary is that it makes us question events, histories and perspectives, as well as leading people to think about the ideas in a film.

Also, the root was a mandrake. I have no idea if they'd grow in that part of Spain, but they have a long history in folklore/magic.

There's an issue of Mutiny (http://anonym.to/?http://www.mpi-web.net/mutiny/mutiny11.pdf) that features a review of Pan's Labyrinth that I really enjoyed.

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 27, 2007 01:12 am
i'm tempted to believe it was real. however active the girl's imagination was, i dont see why she would have done so much and gone through so much shit unless she was mentally ill or something. another sign that it was real was the magical plant/baby thing the faun gave her to put under her mother's bed. it did help the mother and we know it was real because the captain found it too. so where else would she get something like that? it looked like an oddly shaped ginger root, something which she would not be able to get in a remote army camp.
Oh man I forgot the ginger-root baby. I felt sick when the captain threw it on the fire. Maybe it's a metaphor for fascist attitudes to parenting? Or how they disregard innocence and blindly kill as opposed to the reds who take under their wing the captain's son.

But I repeat, Mercedes was uber! I mean cutting through the rope and giving the captain a chelsea grin! /,,/

And I did say that the doctor's likeness to Trotsky was dubious, but you got to admit he does look a bit like him. That's how I could tell that he was helping the guerillas before it's made clear that he is; and also the secretive eye-contact with Mercedes, who I thought looked like a woman from a Soviet poster saying "FASCISM IS THE GREATEST ENEMY TO WOMEN."

[Raúl Duke]

I could tell the doctor was helping out the rebels yet I've never noticed that he looked like Trotsky...now you mention it he did look somewhat similar.

[Alejandro C]

I liked this movie pretty well. It reminded me a lot of a movie that i love called 'mirrormask' and I thought it would be a lot like that. They both have young girls who switch from the real world to a fantasy world. Mirrormask is a jim henson production so I think there was a bit more money thrown into it. If you liked this movie, you'll love mirrormask the fantasy parts are much better, but the realistic parts are much worse; but much in the same vein and also incredible.

[Angry Young Man]

^ I can't imagine a Jim Henson movie having left-wing undertones. Said that, I didn't notice Kermit's tattoo of Marx!!!! :lol:

[Lenin II]

Is it true that they saw a guy's leg off on film? I hear this movie's very violent. Strange, it looked like a kid's movie at first.

[Angry Young Man]

Ay the Spaniards have become very liberal. They think nothing to showing kids a man getting a chelsea-grin while he's trying to torture his maid.
O jesus I wanna see that film again!

[Raúl Duke]

I would like to see the movie again too....(and I hope in much better quality that the pirated version I saw....;maybe I should just buy it..hmm)


the Spaniards have become very liberal

I heard stories (rumors at best...I need to see for myself) that in Spain some stuff they show in national TV is like rated R in the US (especially in the sex department...since Europe is more progressive about it than the puritanical US)

[Angry Young Man]

Really? I must be missing out on that, being from the wrong part of Europe.
Mind you, France - which I always perceived as the most progressive W. European country - has elected a crypto-fash. Not long before he's out on his arse! :D

If there was any justice in the world, I'd be able to Emigrate to Barca. Do we have any spanish posters on the board?

[20cdndollars]

Has anyone seen this movie? I think it's excellent! if you have seen it can you tell me how historically accurate it is?

[Pawn Power]

great movie!

but there is a thread on this already. do a search.

[Raúl Duke]

Its a cool movie.

If you discount the fantasy part...maybe it is historically accurate?

[cenv]

Yeah, I thought it was a pretty good movie. However, it doesn't have much historical content -- what part of it are you referring to as far as historical accuracy?

[Edgar]

Yeah, it's a good movie, but don't rent it expecting a lot in-depth historical and political analysis of what was going on in Spain at the time. It was very gruesome in parts, but at least the violence wasn't meant to be fetishized like it is in most American movies.

[NorthStarRepublicML]

check out Del Toro's earlier film Cronos (1993) it has some similaries ... little girl and vampire grandfather battle factory owner .....

[20cdndollars]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 09:58 am
check out Del Toro's earlier film Cronos (1993) it has some similaries ... little girl and vampire grandfather battle factory owner .....
Cronos came with Pans Labirynth when i got it. I didn't think too much of it. It was kind of slow, and the one guy,who couldnt speak a word of english understood everything the american guy said... seems a little strange. I didn't really like it.

[R_P_A_S]

thanx for the spoilers assholes! :angry:

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 02:20 am
thanx for the spoilers assholes! :angry:
It's clearly marked as having spoilers, you should have known better.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Red October+November 25, 2007 07:34 am--> (Red October @ November 25, 2007 07:34 am)
[email protected] 25, 2007 02:20 am
thanx for the spoilers assholes! :angry:
It's clearly marked as having spoilers, you should have known better. [/b]
"possible" spoilers? thats not really clear.

[Mujer Libre]

It means there might be spoilers, so don't be angry when you find them.

Let's keep this forum nice and friendly, k?