CAPITALIS = ANARCHY?

[Freiheit]

in every capitalist system there is a government and rules.
but in the theory, in the economy there are absolutly no rules. complete freedom. anarchy. you cant do what you want and are free to do. in all economic stuff.

wont every anarchy end in a capitalist society?
some ppl will begin to build fortune and get richer and richer and then they will bribre everyone else and get teh capitalist of today.

[Rob]

well, not necessarily in that economy is a system in itself, and only anarcho-capitalists would have you believe that capitalism is anarchy.

[Valkyrie]

US Libertarians and anti-government Capitalists are not recognized among the communist-anarchist movement.


(Edited by Paris at 10:18 pm on June 20, 2003)

[Freiheit]

my theory is:

ANARCHY ENDS IN CAPITALISM (in the economic perspective)

[Valkyrie]

wasn't "Freheit" the name of an Anarchy newpaper?

[Freiheit]

i am not against anarchy, i know many 'cool' anarchists (leftists). dont understand me wrong.

i just wanna here some oppinions.
i think capitalism is one part of anarchy, but anarchy is huge thing.
anyway

FUCK CAPITALISM!!!

[I Will Deny You]

I'll admit right now that I have a very basic understanding of anarchy and that's it, so please don't all jump on me if I say something wrong, but here's my understanding of what happened.

You start up with a corrupt government that isn't fulfilling the people's needs. It might be America or Cuba, or pretty much any other modern society and I don't feel like picking one. Anyway, there's a revolution and no new government is set up. Everyone is free to do what they want with no rules. Eventually, a kind of mafia is set up. In a society with a government this mafia would have to bribe the pigs, but in a society with no government they just do whatever the fuck they want. Only with anarchy, the mafia becomes the government and a new regime is born. A good example of this might be ancient Egypt: You've got the Old Kingdom, some anarchy, the Middle Kingdom, some anarchy, and the New Kingdom. People are basically good, but there are always just enough bad people to seriously fuck things up for everyone else.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Michael]

Quote: from Freiheit on 10:07 pm on Dec. 23, 2001
in every capitalist system there is a government and rules.
but in the theory, in the economy there are absolutly no rules. complete freedom. anarchy. you cant do what you want and are free to do. in all economic stuff.

wont every anarchy end in a capitalist society?
some ppl will begin to build fortune and get richer and richer and then they will bribre everyone else and get teh capitalist of today.



Are justice and freedom possible for the exploited?

The simple workers in the capitalist system get poorly paid,because they are in great need of money so that they won't die from hunger.That's what the capitalist gets full advantage of.
The capitalist buys the workers' labor cheap.It is clear nowadays that the worker doesn't get paid according to the labor that he produces.He works for others.
Let us say that in anarchism everyone is paid according to what he produces.He doesn't work for the rich.What i'm trying to say here is that Anarchy has NOTHING to do with capitalism in all perspectives.
We all know that,don't we?

Peace

[Fires of History]

Laissez-faire Capitali$m is, yes, indeed Anarchy.

No contraints, laws, or rules regarding business; and Laissez-Faire capitali$m is indeed the truest form of capitali$m.

Power to the People,
Trance

[tracerbullet]

from what i have read, an ideal anarchist society would be based on a combination of individual freedom and material equality... the unequal distribution of wealth and power that you describe would not be the end result of a working anarchy, but rather spawned of human greed.
....how then, do we get rid of greed?

[Revolution Hero]

Anarchy appears during communism, because no government exists in a developed communist society.
That is according theory.

[peaccenicked]

strictly speaking (the fundamental cocept is correct)
however it is not government that fades away but State,
when all are government their are no seperate governed.

[RedRevolutionary87]

anarchy will only work if people are united enough to band together against any who tries to accumilate capital, also it would be helpfull if currency were abolished. just a thought

[TheDerminator]

Anarchists uniting?

Sounds like an act of leadership to me, unite to do what?
Tell us to be anarchists?
Thanks for the leadership! Always wanted some of that!

Lot's of practical problems eh?

I mean, if you think about it, we have nearly the whole of Africa underdeveloped. Not the whole, there are small pockets here and there for the super rich, not much underdevelopment in a five star hotel!

But let's be practical people for just once.

There is huge under development in Africa, there is huge under development in Asia. It affects trillions of people!

Getting the bad fucking joke yet, about no leadership?


It is a huge fucking task, requiring a huge amount of centralised highly organised assistance. The material logistics are mind blowing, and only a dog needs leadership?
What a bad fucking joke.
It is like saying help the people to help themselves, how caring how nice, how liberal, how fucking insulting! The onus is on the wealthy countries to provide the leadership, the onus is on the wealthy countries to provide all the technical expertise, all the material support that they can provide.
Herein is the necessity for leadership. Grow up, it is a huge modern world out there and I for one would not mind to be led.
Woof! Woof!

derminated.

[anarchoveganLAM]

Anarchism is Capitalism, I would think not. The reason being is because in a capitalist society, people dominate eachother. There is domination over eachother, mainly bourgeoisie and higher over the proletariat. In an anarchist society, there are no classes. There is no domination or anything of the sort.
I do not see capitalism as freedom. It is only freedom for those who are profiting off of it. I do not like hearing the Ayn Rand theology of it being free because it is free market. They are free to dominate, exploit, and brutalize people and their lives (ie. Taco Bell, Coca Cola, McDonalds, PepsiCo, etc.)

[Kez]

Quote: from TheDerminator on 12:26 pm on Feb. 23, 2002

Anarchists uniting?
There is huge under development in Africa, there is huge under development in Asia. It affects trillions of people!

the fuck? trillions of people? errrrrrrrr
anyhow, does the thread show that reagan and thatcher were capi -anarchist?

comrade kamo