medical kit

[ahab]

I was just wondering if any of you carry around medical kits at demonstrations and what you should put in them.

I want to make one, and need to know a few things:

*what should I use on pepper spray victims?
*burn victims, I know a little about that but want to know what other people use
*shock victims, due to flash bang grenades
*simple cuts and bruises
*dislocations

anything else I didnt cover

thank you

[Vladislav]

I'm not sure on pepper spray victims but for mostly everything else you can buy a first aid kit which has all the necessary items for emergencies.

[An archist]

For pepper spray: water, lots of water, make sure they open their eyes (even though it hurts) and then run some water in their eyes.

[Tower of Bebel]

for burn victims: you should have watter, gel and a specifique type of bandage when dealing with burned hands. Most of the bandages for burned hands are triangular. I had some first aid classes in the army reserve half a year ago and I forgot the specifique name.
For vicitms who're in shock: you should learn some techniques to handle them.
You should learn many techniques but I don't know any place excpet for the army where you can learn how to aid people for many specific situations. Not that I would reommend people to go to the army for this... it's a silly place :rolleyes:
But one thing that suites many situations is watter!

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 03:39 pm
for burn victims: you should have watter, gel and a specifique type of bandage when dealing with burned hands. Most of the bandages for burned hands are triangular. I had some first aid classes in the army reserve half a year ago and I forgot the specifique name.
For vicitms who're in shock: you should learn some techniques to handle them.
You should learn many techniques but I don't know any place excpet for the army where you can learn how to aid people for many specific situations. Not that I would reommend people to go to the army for this... it's a silly place :rolleyes:
But one thing that suites many situations is watter!
im actually in the national guard but ive only had a little first aid training

Thank you everyone for your help btw and I can see im just gonna need a lot of water lol

[which doctor]

Why the hell are you in the National Guard?

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 05:15 pm
Why the hell are you in the National Guard?
I want military training and money for school, you see the NG gives you $20,000 just for enlisting, you get the first $10,000 when you finish basic and AIT and then the secong $10,000 on your third year anniversary, and luckily for me my MOS takes 3 years of just training as opposed to the 35-40 weeks most people get, so I get all my money at the end of my training and then I get out, So I get my training and my money.

Not to mention all the knowledge of military complexes and armories I will know, all this training and info I can share with others.

Thats why I joined the NG

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 05:15 pm
Why the hell are you in the National Guard?
i live in Belgium :rolleyes: . a few weeks training a year. The army is a stupid place and really old fashioned but the things you learn are great. ;)

EDIT: i think that military training can be good, the only problem is the fact that the army is a weapon of the state. so i joined to learn some skills, and a apreciate leftists who join the army to learn things.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by ahab+January 20, 2007 01:23 pm--> (ahab @ January 20, 2007 01:23 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 05:15 pm
Why the hell are you in the National Guard?
I want military training and money for school, you see the NG gives you $20,000 just for enlisting, you get the first $10,000 when you finish basic and AIT and then the secong $10,000 on your third year anniversary, and luckily for me my MOS takes 3 years of just training as opposed to the 35-40 weeks most people get, so I get all my money at the end of my training and then I get out, So I get my training and my money.

Not to mention all the knowledge of military complexes and armories I will know, all this training and info I can share with others.

Thats why I joined the NG [/b]
Where is the part when they ship you to Iraq?

[ahab]

Originally posted by Pawn Power+January 20, 2007 07:12 pm--> (Pawn Power @ January 20, 2007 07:12 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 01:23 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 05:15 pm
Why the hell are you in the National Guard?
I want military training and money for school, you see the NG gives you $20,000 just for enlisting, you get the first $10,000 when you finish basic and AIT and then the secong $10,000 on your third year anniversary, and luckily for me my MOS takes 3 years of just training as opposed to the 35-40 weeks most people get, so I get all my money at the end of my training and then I get out, So I get my training and my money.

Not to mention all the knowledge of military complexes and armories I will know, all this training and info I can share with others.

Thats why I joined the NG
Where is the part when they ship you to Iraq? [/b]
no no no i dont get shipped off, my training is so long it allows me time to quit after im done with training, so I get all the military training without having to fight for the empire

[An archist]

Originally posted by ahab+January 23, 2007 02:02 am--> (ahab @ January 23, 2007 02:02 am)
Originally posted by Pawn [email protected] 20, 2007 07:12 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 01:23 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 05:15 pm
Why the hell are you in the National Guard?
I want military training and money for school, you see the NG gives you $20,000 just for enlisting, you get the first $10,000 when you finish basic and AIT and then the secong $10,000 on your third year anniversary, and luckily for me my MOS takes 3 years of just training as opposed to the 35-40 weeks most people get, so I get all my money at the end of my training and then I get out, So I get my training and my money.

Not to mention all the knowledge of military complexes and armories I will know, all this training and info I can share with others.

Thats why I joined the NG
Where is the part when they ship you to Iraq?
no no no i dont get shipped off, my training is so long it allows me time to quit after im done with training, so I get all the military training without having to fight for the empire [/b]
niice.

anyway, raccoon, Suppose I join the amry in Belgium, is there any chance I get shipped off to whatever stupid place to fight?

[ahab]

Originally posted by Raccoon+January 20, 2007 06:39 pm--> (Raccoon @ January 20, 2007 06:39 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 05:15 pm
Why the hell are you in the National Guard?
i live in Belgium :rolleyes: . a few weeks training a year. The army is a stupid place and really old fashioned but the things you learn are great. ;)

EDIT: i think that military training can be good, the only problem is the fact that the army is a weapon of the state. so i joined to learn some skills, and a apreciate leftists who join the army to learn things. [/b]
do you guys have that SERE program? SERE SITE (http://www.training.sfahq.com/survival_training.htm)

its gonna fuckin suck

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by ahab+January 24, 2007 12:49 am--> (ahab @ January 24, 2007 12:49 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:39 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 05:15 pm
Why the hell are you in the National Guard?
i live in Belgium :rolleyes: . a few weeks training a year. The army is a stupid place and really old fashioned but the things you learn are great. ;)

EDIT: i think that military training can be good, the only problem is the fact that the army is a weapon of the state. so i joined to learn some skills, and a apreciate leftists who join the army to learn things.
do you guys have that SERE program? SERE SITE (http://www.training.sfahq.com/survival_training.htm)

its gonna fuckin suck [/b]
No, the Belgian army sucks, and the reserve is only a few weeks... it's only designed to make civilians used to the military environment. This way they can use civilians with certain skills when they need those skills. Terrorism isn't our concern.

For example: If the army needs a few more doctors but they can't find another medic, then they just look for reservist who are civil doctors. That way the army has a certain number of skilled people without having to pay them for a whole year, only for the number of days, weeks or months the army needs them. The difference between a reservist and a common civilian is just his ability to work in a military environment because he was trained to.
I only get basics to do (drill, codes, prosedures, basic skills of a soldier, shooting, camouflage...). Belgian reservists are not trained to fight (but we get some training at the shooting range). I will not be send to the fornt (unless the Europe gets involved in a major war and Belgium needs all the fire power it can get).


anyway, raccoon, Suppose I join the amry in Belgium, is there any chance I get shipped off to whatever stupid place to fight

First: If you join the army as a professional: yes, if you join the reserve: yes and no.

Yes: You can be shipped if you have the right skills in civil ife. Doctors, technicians, translators are the main goal of the army to recrute and that way they are the persons who can easily be send to a certain camp abroad. You can be send abroad as support.
No: you will not be send to fight. You are not trained to fight (but basic skills are required because you never know).
But as I said before it can still be dangerous. f.e : Afghanistan. The Belgian army only guards one airport in a relatively safe area. But right now the Taliban gains ground and if the Belgian troops get surrounded (like the Dutch, but they still have an airport to supply and evacuate), and if the Taliban attacks the Belgian soldiers it can be possible that you as a reservist will have to defend yourselves when you're caught in a fire fight.

Second: I don't see you, as an anarchist, join the army :D , I joined the army before I knew I was a communist ;) . And know I hate the army, but I like the people who I trained with a year ago, so now I go back to see them again an just learn so skills.

[analfilth]

PepperSpray/TearGas
Avoid Panic.
Do not rub face, as this will only irritate and cause more pain.
Expose to fresh air, a breeze if possible, or even a fan.
Flush affected area with water from tap or hose for 15-20mins.
Make sure there are no contact lenses.
Any clothing contaminated with TearGas should be removed.
Doctor!


Burns
For burns victims it really depends on whether they have 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree burns.

FIRST DEGREE: Flush with cool running water, Apply moist dressings and bandage loosely.
SECOND DEGREE: Apply dry dressings and bandage loosely Do not use water as it may increase risk of shock. Do not touch or interfere with the injured area.
THIRD DEGREE: Same treatment as second degree

Also if the burn is caused by chemicals, it is important to remove any clothing where the chemicals have spilled and flush the affected area with lots of water for 15 to 30 minutes.

Burns are most severe when located on the face, neck, hands, feet and genitals or when they are spread over large parts of the body or are combined with other injuries.


Shock
Do not leave victim unattended!
Make sure victim does not excessively move, eat, drink or smoke.
Treat any curs or grazes (stop bleeding)
Lay the victim down keeping legs raised, head low.
Loosen any tight clothing.
Get medical help.
Keep close watch on pulse, breathing, and their level or response.



Dislocations
Get medical help.
Do not move the joint. Don't try to move a dislocated joint or force it back into place. This can damage the joint and its surrounding muscles, ligaments, nerves or blood vessels. Make a splint to keep it in place.
Put ice on the injured joint.

[Jude]

Just a mod to analfilths burn treatment...

Never, and I mean NEVER, apply oils, creams, or ointments to a burn, as it only causes pain and infection in the long run. Also, if dealing with third degree, or even serious second degree burns, never attempt to manually move a person that otherwise cannot, it would be safer just to call an ambulance. And never pop blisters, I've seen people get gangrenous infections.

[Vicarious]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 05:15 pm
Why the hell are you in the National Guard?
:lol:

[redcannon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 05:22 pm
Just a mod to analfilths burn treatment...

Never, and I mean NEVER, apply oils, creams, or ointments to a burn, as it only causes pain and infection in the long run. Also, if dealing with third degree, or even serious second degree burns, never attempt to manually move a person that otherwise cannot, it would be safer just to call an ambulance. And never pop blisters, I've seen people get gangrenous infections.
what if its just a one degree burn? can you apply burn cream to it?

[Question everything]

you all forgot the most important thing...










a condom. :ph34r:

[Lunar]

you can just get one of those Army Survivalist books. Lots of information

Or you can be an idiot like me and join tha army and forever have that hanging over your head. and Yes ,the nAtional guard can be sent over, seeing how most of my state was sent over. Some are still in because we are supposedly still in "wartime" so years were added to their contracts, like 10 -20 years. And they never got their college money. And that's a whole other story. Did they actually hand you a check for $20,000 when you signed up?

With pepper spray, definitely LOTS of water.

[Tower of Bebel]

Hi,

Yes, the army has these books on medical treatment. Maybe I should scan mine, since I left the reserve.

[silentprotest]

Zeolite is a good thing to have a load of, in powdered form anyway, it is used to clot bleeding in severe wounds. There was a topic about it a while ago I think.
Wikipedia has a little on it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite#Medical).
The specific type mentioned is Calcium Silicate, but I can't find anything conclusive on it.

I also just found an article about it here http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,1463...lotter,,00.html (http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,SoldierTech_060223_BloodClotter,,00.html).
Unfortunately it appears moderately expensive to buy, perhaps there is a cheaper solution?

[Tower of Bebel]

I always wondered how to get it. It seems very useful.

[fordan55]

boric acid or just regulor eye drops will work on some on who has had mace or tear gas spryed in them

[Invader Zim]

Being a St Johns member I have had a fair bit of first aid training, and analfilth has given some very good but to add to the burning section: -

A small burn should be treated with water, lots of it. If able you should really run water over the burn under a tap for at least 10 minutes. If the burn, even a first degree, is larger than the victims palm of the hand should be treated as serious and they should recieve medical care, as that is more than a single 1% of the victims total body surface.

I advice everyone to go to a book shop and the offical St Johns, St Andrews and Red Cross First Aid Manual. It is a comprehensive, well illustrated 280 page volume which tells you step by step how to deal with the majority of first aid issues.

I would also advice that you go on a full first aid course.

[fordan55]

if the burn is a 3rd degree you schold not run water on it the shock could hurt or kill the nurves were the burn is. if the burn is on a limb you schold try and keep it above the chest. and do not remove chunks of clothing that is atached to the burn area

[fordan55]

if you want to know info about what was asked and more the Red Cross has cheep very good book on first aid and saftey witch you schold look at. and the books that come in first aid kits are also helpfull too

[Comeback Kid]

http://www.training.sfahq.com/survival_training.htm

metioned earlierin relation to SERE


The communist-style prisoner-of-war camp has cages,

:rolleyes:

[Honggweilo]

Originally posted by Comeback [email protected] 25, 2007 08:07 am

http://www.training.sfahq.com/survival_training.htm

metioned earlierin relation to SERE


The communist-style prisoner-of-war camp has cages,

:rolleyes:
http://www.training.sfahq.com/images_train/sere_capture.jpg
You are a discrace to your mother you imperialist stooge, capitalist pigdog. You will be forced to live on a diet of borsjt and vodka for 3 months if you dare to uphold your pathetic ideals about democracy and freedom! :ph34r: :lol: