Class War?

[Kaelin]

Hey,

What do people on this forum think about Class War - the organisation and the concept? Do you agree with 'no war but the class war?'

Just curious...

kaelin

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 10:22 am
Hey,

What do people on this forum think about Class War - the organisation and the concept? Do you agree with 'no war but the class war?'

Just curious...

kaelin
I agree with the concept wholeheartedly. Nothing other than an all out war between the rich and the poor will bring liberation. Because to operate within the system leads either to a watering down of ideas, or iscolation from the process and the grassroots. Take the example of the Militant tendency within the labour party for example.

And the state and the bourgeoisie will not give up their wealth to an abstract idea. History has taught us undeniably that they will use force and kill upward of millions to defend their privilege. Too many example to cite really, open a history book at any page and read it. We have no choice but to fight back, and this escalation of violence would be a class war.

as for the Organisation, I have issues with it, but overall they're great people and I would call myself a supporter. Im certainly a "listed supporter" as im permitted to enter their national assemblies.

[Kaelin]

I agree totally with you m8. As a historian by profession, I understand and agree with you about the extent to which governments will commit atrocities in order to hold onto power - nothing belittles a government like the loss of its power base. Indeed, as was the case with New Labour - once a government has a popular mandate it can theroretically do whatever it wants, up to and involving contravention of its original electoral platform. Violence and fighting back is, therefore, the only option.

[redcannon]

the things about a class war is that it is the only war that would benefit society as a whole.

[Question everything]

I say that open class war should be avoided, why allow open revolution where workers must kill the police and soldiers when they can be won over to the cause? It might be slower but the rich can do nothing if we infiltrate the ranks of the cops and army and take them over and once we seize power, then we must eliminate the rich (by that I meant only the richest of the rich those who have been featured in forbes, the CEOs of fortune 500 companies) with some exception, if they are will to forsake their wealth to the cause then they may be spared, this must be done continally and systematically in order for wealth to become an undesirable thing, this is of course just my theory...

[Fawkes]

I fully support a Class War, though I would not support an act such as poor people going into a rich neighborhood and murdering someone just 'cause they're rich. The Class War should not degenerate into something similar to a race war, meaning not all non-working class citizens are automatically the enemies. There will be much more to it than "the rich versus the poor".

[mac1905]

the things about a class war is that it is the only war that would benefit society as a whole.

And what about national liberation war?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 03:59 pm

the things about a class war is that it is the only war that would benefit society as a whole.

And what about national liberation war?
That benefits the indigenous ruling class and indigenous/local capitalism .

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Love Underground+January 22, 2007 05:11 pm--> (Love Underground @ January 22, 2007 05:11 pm)
[email protected] 22, 2007 03:59 pm

the things about a class war is that it is the only war that would benefit society as a whole.

And what about national liberation war?
That benefits the indigenous ruling class and indigenous/local capitalism . [/b]
Not necessarily. Many "national liberation" struggles also fight for emancipation of the workers.

[bayano]

Originally posted by Love Underground+January 22, 2007 12:11 pm--> (Love Underground @ January 22, 2007 12:11 pm)
[email protected] 22, 2007 03:59 pm

And what about national liberation war?
That benefits the indigenous ruling class and indigenous/local capitalism . [/b]
Yeah, 'national liberation war' can be class war. But as for class war, I'm not sure how precise of a concept it is. It's more of an exclamation, perhaps an armed economic struggle, but wouldnt we be better off if the changes we seek to create were made without it? Unfortunately, of course, I don't think that is possible, so class war is just desired out of necessity.

[Question everything]

I fully support a Class War, though I would not support an act such as poor people going into a rich neighborhood and murdering someone just 'cause they're rich.

I said systematic, that does not mean arm a mob and send it into beverlyhills to loot, pillage and kill, I mean murder those CEOs that are destroying thousands of lives by outsourcing toward cheaper labour so they can make more money...

[OneBrickOneVoice]

I agree with the concept to an extent, (not just random Pol-Pot style shit), mainly because it exsists and there is no denying it. I'm still trying to figure out why the anarchists have hijacked the concept from the Marxist-Leninists who have been fighting for it for the past century.

[An archist]

Hijacked?
Class war is a concept that is typical ofr all of the radical left.