revolutionary communist party, usa

[red head]

i've been reading their website and am torn as to what to make of them. on one hand, their site is informative, and bob avakian is unquestionably a very smart guy. on the other, i've read some horrible things about them, that i've been unable to prove or disprove. i've read that they're homophobic and racist, but rage against the machine are bob avakian fans, and 3/4 of their band are minorities. i have noticed some things that seem a bit underhanded, like not mentioning that their sources are rcp members. i'd really like to know what anyone thinks about them.

[Rob]

well, I don't know that much about them, but I do know they're homophobic, as was CPUSA until their 2000 campaign. I think that they're stalinist, so I don't support them anyway, and this avakian fellow might have some good ideas, even if he is a homophobe. I doubt the racism, but, it could be possible.

[CheGuevara]

I read that some of them believe that Native Americans are an inferior race. I read this on the "Red Encyclopedia." (www.geocities.com/redencyclopedia) Even if one is to ignore that, their crazy Stalinist drivel makes me think that their screws could use quite a bit of tightening.

[I Will Deny You]

If they're homophobic or racist, how can they be considered egalitarian? Communism is hard enough to sell and pull off (if you get the chance), but I guess these guys could never make it work.

[red head]

they're not stalinists, they're maoists, and they seem to have some good ideas. i get conflicted because every other source i see says they're homophobic, racist, authoritarian, etc., but i don't see it on their site. that makes me wonder if i don't see it because its not true, or because they're hiding things.

[CheGuevara]

Maoism isn't the same as Stalinism, but some parts of it are taken directly from it or built upon it, particularly in the manner in which the party itself is run. Parties don't tell you a lot on their website. The CPUSA doesn't tell you that their elections are rigged on their website or anywhere else for that matter, but they are. Don't depend on the JDL or ADL completely for your evaluation of parties either. You can always join and see for yourself, just be careful you don't get so entangled that you can't get out if you want.

[Kez]

I heard they gave socialists a hard time in protests, and tried them to hold red flags or summit, but that could well be bullshit

How can some1 be racist or homphobe and be a commie? it dont work

comrade kamo

[Zippy]

Quote: from TavareeshKamo on 2:35 pm on Jan. 4, 2002
How can some1 be racist or homphobe and be a commie? it dont work
I think it works on the basis of "all men are equal, except niggers, wops and fags."

Zippy.

[Moskitto]

That's precisely what I tell people who say Pol Pot was a communist.

"Communism is an Egalitarian idea, How can an Egalitarian be a racist?"

If they try and say that Pol Pot wasn't a racist because he only killed people with glasses then I say.

"Tell that to the Vietnamese people who he killed, or the Thais, or the Chinese."

If they then say that he controlled the government then say.

"Hitler controlled the government, Pol Pot controlled the government, Hitler killed other races, Pol Pot killed other races, Hitler is Pol Pot, Hitler Killed Communists, Pol Pot can't be communist when his policies resembled and Anti-Communists so much."

[I Will Deny You]

"all men are equal, except niggers, wops and fags."

Thank G-d I'm not a man, otherwise I might be the target of racist remarks! It's really annoying that women have done so much for Communist theory, but hardly any countries that even attempt to pass themselves off as Communist have given women high-ranking positions. I see a lot of the same thing with the American left, there are hardly any women given important jobs. I'm guessing the CPUSA is run entirely by men, eh?

Someday, us "welfare mothers" will have our own damned revolution. And it will be televised. On the UPN.

[Che Jexster]

The Zapatistas have women with important positions in their organization.

[I Will Deny You]

I read about that. It was actually in a kind of anti-globalization newsletter, talking about how while the US claimed to be so forward, the Zapatistas in the middle of Mexico gave women so much more opportunities and credit for what they had done. I think he also wrote about it in Our World is Our Weapon or something like that, I can't remember. The problem was mostly in Russia and China. Cuba isn't especially commendable for inclusion of women in its government, either. It would be good for PR if they made Fidel's second-in-command a woman, it might shut the US government up for, say, a few seconds.

[Kez]

Note how the ussr launched first woman cosmonaut
or cosmonette
VIVA USSR

comrade kamo

[CheGuevara]

Piss and shit on the USSR and China. ¡Viva Cuba!

It's called "Our Word is Our Weapon," by the way, and it's a collection of writings by Subcomandante Marcos.

[I Will Deny You]

That's it! It was a great book. I let someone borrow it and they never gave it back.

That makes a lot more sense, actually, for it to be Word instead of World.

[Kez]

If it wasnt for the USSR, cuba wouldnt even be socialist now
it would be crap hole
just like vietnam

LONG LIVE THE USSR
comrade kamo

[maoist3]

Yes, the RCP-USA is historically stridently
homophobic. You need to see their
pamphlet from Revolutionary Union days outdoing
Anita Bryant. (The RCP-USA says its trying
to change on this question.)

Yes, the RCP-USA said something horrible about Indians
being backwards to Russel Means in the course of debate.

Yes, Bob Avakian's organization once demonstrated
saying "Smash Busing," in Boston. (Later they did self-criticism for that.)

Probably, Rage against the Machine is not aware of some of that.

http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/wim/wyl/crypto.html