Bi Sexuality

[cumbia]

Can people be attracted to to sexes equally? And, if so dosent experimentiaon make a person bi-sexual? I want to hear what the revolutionary "leftist" view and thoughts are on this subject

[seraphim]

People are born hetrosexual by default not by choice it's all a question of who you fancy!

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by cumbia+January 18, 2007 11:25 pm--> (cumbia @ January 18, 2007 11:25 pm) Can people be attracted to to sexes equally? [/b]
Sure, why not? But Bisexualtiy does not imply equal attraction to both sexes, just attraction.


Originally posted by cumbia+--> (cumbia)And, if so dosent experimentiaon make a person bi-sexual? [/b]

Sometimes it might, yeah, it depends on the individual obviously.


[email protected]

I want to hear what the revolutionary "leftist" view and thoughts are on this subject

Probably not too different to what peoples thoughts are on any sexuality or sexual label, i'm not really sure what is up for discussion?


seraphim
People are born hetrosexual by default not by choice it's all a question of who you fancy!

You think everyone is born heterosexual? I don't understand...

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 01:32 pm
People are born hetrosexual by default not by choice it's all a question of who you fancy!
Trainspotting? :D

[luxemburg89]

i think some people probably can be attracted to both. some people are gay. other people are straight, and other people like both men and women (and even animals - although maybe something should be done about that one) it's just the way it goes. i dont see the point in exploring why it is, or even why it matters, all i know is that im not gay or bi-sexual, and i dont want to be. i don't care if anyway one else is

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

being bi has become somewhat fasionable amongst emo social groups.

most of them are not really bi.

I don't really care, you don't exactally have a choice over who you fancy (or don't)

I know what I am, and what I do not want to be.

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

Saying you're bi is just a cop out in my opinion, plain and simple. Bi's have always been free of the social stigma associated with homosexuality.

[Wanted Man]

Umm, right. The two posters above me are complete assholes. Read this (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=45932), then smack yourselves over the head. Hard.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 08:32 am
People are born hetrosexual by default not by choice it's all a question of who you fancy!
Uhh...what!?!?!

People are not born heterosexual by default, just like they are not born homosexual by default. Actually, little is known about what we are born as. It would make more sense to say that we are asexual, or even bisexual, by default.

[RevMARKSman]

Actually, little is known about what we are born as.

Wasn't there a study linking genes to sexuality, and having an older brother to male homosexuality? Either way it pointed to our sexual orientation being determined from birth.

[Sentinel]

Saying you're bi is just a cop out in my opinion, plain and simple. Bi's have always been free of the social stigma associated with homosexuality.
Not if we want to be open with and act on our sexuality, which I have experienced is pretty important for ones mental well being. If a bisexual acts like a straight person he or she is repressing a part of his or her personality, in my case a huge part as I'm a guy who's predominantly attracted to guys and more occasionally to girls.

Also, open bisexuals are disliked both by parts of the gay community, who accuse us for 'fence-sitting' (is this what you are doing?), as well as by straight homophobes. And then there is an additional big problem -- if you are open with your sexuality, it's much harder to find new friends with whom you get the totally 'laid back', non-sexual atmosphere straight people have with members of their own sex, and gays with those of the opposite.

One feels lonely sometimes..

[Fawkes]

Fuck you "A Scanner Darkly", so I suppose I'm just copping out, right. Experimenting is known as being bi-curious. Also, being bi doesn't necesarilly mean equal attraction to both sexes.

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

Originally posted by Sentinel+January 18, 2007 10:17 pm--> (Sentinel @ January 18, 2007 10:17 pm)Not if we want to be open with and act on our sexuality, which I have experienced is pretty important for ones mental well being. If a bisexual acts like a straight person he or she is repressing a part of his or her personality, in my case a huge part as I'm a guy who's predominantly attracted to guys and more occasionally to girls.

Also, open bisexuals are disliked both by parts of the gay community, who accuse us for 'fence-sitting' (is this what you are doing?), as well as by straight homophobes. And then there is an additional big problem -- if you are open with your sexuality, it's much harder to find new friends with whom you get the totally 'laid back', non-sexual atmosphere straight people have with members of their own sex, and gays with those of the opposite.

One feels lonely sometimes..[/b]
Listen I don't doubt there are real Bi's like you or anything like that. And I am surely not saying 'Pick a side' or 'Stop being all confused.' Sorry if my original post sounded a bit harsh, all I'm saying is there is a large amount of people who consider themselves Bi so they won't have to face stigma Homosexual's face. I've met a ton of people in that position. I'm not at all saying bisexuality doesn't exist.


Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 10:10 pm

[email protected] 18, 2007 08:32 am
People are born hetrosexual by default not by choice it's all a question of who you fancy!
Uhh...what!?!?!

People are not born heterosexual by default, just like they are not born homosexual by default. Actually, little is known about what we are born as. It would make more sense to say that we are asexual, or even bisexual, by default.
Calm down lol. It's a quote from a very good film, Trainspotting.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 09:25 am
Can people be attracted to to sexes equally? And, if so dosent experimentiaon make a person bi-sexual? I want to hear what the revolutionary "leftist" view and thoughts are on this subject
Yea, they can, and bi-sexuality to in my opinion is just a natural attraction, that is found in about all animals just like homosexuality and heterosexuality, and it isn't monosexual, like homosexuality, or heterosexuality, but polysexual, and I see no reason to be prejudice against it at all.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by A SCANNER [email protected] 18, 2007 05:52 pm
Saying you're bi is just a cop out in my opinion, plain and simple. Bi's have always been free of the social stigma associated with homosexuality.
A metaphysical argument, espoused by a dumbass with know knowledge of sexual studies; and as fawkes said, fuck you.

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

Originally posted by Cryotank Screams+January 18, 2007 11:31 pm--> (Cryotank Screams @ January 18, 2007 11:31 pm)
A SCANNER [email protected] 18, 2007 05:52 pm
Saying you're bi is just a cop out in my opinion, plain and simple. Bi's have always been free of the social stigma associated with homosexuality.
A metaphysical argument, espoused by a dumbass with know knowledge of sexual studies; and as fawkes said, fuck you. [/b]
Is this how people on this forum debate? With insults and profanity?

Read my last post.

[Cryotank Screams]

Is this how people on this forum debate? With insults and profanity?

Yea, what is wrong with profanity? It's the spice of the english language, and I combine insults with arguments.

Also according to your original post, that is exactly what you said, it wasn't until your second post did you change your position.


Saying you're bi is just a cop out in my opinion, plain and simple. Bi's have always been free of the social stigma associated with homosexuality.

Also I think your view of bi-sexuality is an oversimplification.

[RedAnarchist]

I'm bisexual myself, but I'm not attracted to both women and men equally, and being bisexual doesn't mean that I will ever have a relationship with another man, it means that I am attracted to men. I tend to be on the "straight" side of bisexuality, being more attracted to women.

I think bisexuality is perfectly normal. I'm not a person who sees the gender before the person, and I was like that even before I knew I was bi.

[Fawkes]

I know it's not a cop-out because I'm bi and I'm not copping out of anything you fuckhead.

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 07:32 pm
I'm bisexual myself, but I'm not attracted to both women and men equally, and being bisexual doesn't mean that I will ever have a relationship with another man, it means that I am attracted to men. I tend to be on the "straight" side of bisexuality, being more attracted to women.

I think bisexuality is perfectly normal. I'm not a person who sees the gender before the person, and I was like that even before I knew I was bi.
I'm the same way. Though I am slowly starting to lean more towards the "gay" side.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 08:34 pm
I'm the same way. Though I am slowly starting to lean more towards the "gay" side.
That's right, come to the "gay," side, it is your destiny, :ph34r: :P.

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

Originally posted by Cryotank [email protected] 19, 2007 12:24 am

Is this how people on this forum debate? With insults and profanity?

Yea, what is wrong with profanity? It's the spice of the english language, and I combine insults with arguments.

Also according to your original post, that is exactly what you said, it wasn't until your second post did you change your position.


Saying you're bi is just a cop out in my opinion, plain and simple. Bi's have always been free of the social stigma associated with homosexuality.

Also I think your view of bi-sexuality is an oversimplification.
I didn't change anything. I just added to it. Please keep the insults to yourself, it's completely immature.


I know it's not a cop-out because I'm bi and I'm not copping out of anything you fuckhead.
Fine. As I have said, I do believe bisexuality exists, obviously. I was pointing out the "Bi's" who are really gay but call themselves Bi so they won't get the same stigma Gay's do.

[Fawkes]

No it's not. If you're saying that I'm copping out of something because of my sexual preference than fuck you cum dupster.

[Revalation]

I don't believe in that crap you fancy who you fancy man, women or beast lol

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 12:58 am
No it's not. If you're saying that I'm copping out of something because of my sexual preference than fuck you cum dupster.
No it's not what? Are you reading posts properly?

[Fawkes]

It's not immature and yes I can read.

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

^ Don't know why you're beefing with me bro. I'm just criticizing people who call themselves Bi because they're afraid to be Homosexual.

[Fawkes]

I was beefing you because of your original statement about Bis "copping out".

[bretty]

One thing thats always bugged me about this type of debate is that when people say something like, stop sitting on the fence, how do they know where the fence is?

[Hate Is Art]

Exactly bretty. I have never really encountered much biphobia though. Maybe it's because I grew up in Brighton but I don't know really? I think it's entirely possible to be Bi, and I don't any reason why it wouldn't be.

[Reuben]

The notion that bi's are taking the piss and that they are not really bi strikes me as rather silly. It is far mroe plausible that someone who defines as bi is actually bi than it is that someone's capacity to be attracted to somebody else is completely limited to one gender group. (although as it happens i self define as straight)

[Blue Collar Bohemian]

People are attracted to people. Gender is secondary to that.

[manic expression]

Here's something I've heard: Practically everyone is "bisexual" to a certain degree (provided they aren't a-sexual). This can be observed if one makes a list of all the people in the world, from most attractive to least attractive, since it will not be all the members of one sex at the top and all the members of the other on the bottom.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by A SCANNER [email protected] 18, 2007 08:54 pm
I didn't change anything. I just added to it. Please keep the insults to yourself, it's completely immature.
No, you definitely changed it from saying it was a cop-out, and to use your exact wording you said it was just that “plain and simple,” meaning you though bi-sexuality was a cop-out solely and that closet homosexuals use it to hide from homosexual discrimination, to then saying it sometimes is used by people sometimes, to cover up that they are secretly “gay,” due to the negative view of homosexuality that society has, hence you change your view point.

Also, don’t try to take some high ground, casual insults coupled with arguments are by no means immature, or any such non-sense, if you say something stupid, it is only prudent for me to call you a dumbass.

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

Originally posted by Cryotank Screams+January 21, 2007 06:12 pm--> (Cryotank Screams @ January 21, 2007 06:12 pm)
A SCANNER [email protected] 18, 2007 08:54 pm
I didn't change anything. I just added to it. Please keep the insults to yourself, it's completely immature.
No, you definitely changed it from saying it was a cop-out, and to use your exact wording you said it was just that “plain and simple,” meaning you though bi-sexuality was a cop-out solely and that closet homosexuals use it to hide from homosexual discrimination, to then saying it sometimes is used by people sometimes, to cover up that they are secretly “gay,” due to the negative view of homosexuality that society has, hence you change your view point.

Also, don’t try to take some high ground, casual insults coupled with arguments are by no means immature, or any such non-sense, if you say something stupid, it is only prudent for me to call you a dumbass. [/b]
Read again smart guy.

I said calling yourself bi is a copout. Not the real bi's, the homosexual people who call themselves bi so they won't feel the stigma homosexuals face. Got it now? :rolleyes:

[The Bitter Hippy]

i don't really see how it would be a cop-out...

Coming out as bi alienated all my less tolerant friends, just as it would if i said i was gay (if not more: some people thought i just said it for attention specifically because i am bi, as opposed to homosexual). And as was previously said; i don't have that easy sex-free atmosphere with either gender.

How is being bi easier, exactly?

[Abbigail]

Being Bi is definitely not a cop out at all. I am bi, and I'm not "fence-sitting" or doing it because it's "fashionable"

I'm actually our schools Gay-Straight Alliance Historian/webmaster.

[Cryotank Screams]

Read again smart guy.

I know I am smart, this is no news to me, ;).


I said calling yourself bi is a copout. Not the real bi's, the homosexual people who call themselves bi so they won't feel the stigma homosexuals face. Got it now? :rolleyes:

All in all, a somehwhat evasive and changing argument, you said calling yourself bi-sexual, which implies numerous things and meanings just in itself, and coupled with you saying it's a cop-out, for closet homosexuals, hence why I said what I said, and don't try to pretend as if your were being clear, your entire argument, has been vague at best from the start.

[MissLeftistRevolutionary]

I respect anyone whether they are homosexual/bisexual/whatever. why does it matter? everyone is human, for god damned sake.

[Fawkes]

I said calling yourself bi is a copout
I call myself bi and I'm not copping out.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by A SCANNER [email protected] 19, 2007 02:07 am
^ Don't know why you're beefing with me bro. I'm just criticizing people who call themselves Bi because they're afraid to be Homosexual.
That makes no sense.

Being afraid to be "homosexual" would be because you are afraid of the stigma, but if you openly talk about having sex with men, then what is there to be afraid of?

If a man says he has sex with other men then he no longer feels stigma about having sex with men, surely? Calling yourself bisexual and having sex with both men and women seems like someone who knows what they want?..Otherwise, why would they be doing it?

If you find a man and a woman both sexually attractive, that makes you bisexual. It's not about fear......It's about being attacted to both men and women....That's what makes you bisexual :wacko:

[Guerrilla22]

Don't know why you're beefing with me bro. I'm just criticizing people who call themselves Bi because they're afraid to be Homosexual.

So it's not possible to be both attracted to men and women?

[MissLeftistRevolutionary]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 11:15 pm
So it's not possible to be both attracted to men and women?
I think it is possible, just as possible as it is for someone to be attracted to the same sex.