Post-Revolutionary UK

[RedAnarchist]

The thread about the possible break-up of the Union made me think about something - after a future revolution in the UK, if it still exists, what would happen to outlying areas such as the Falklands and Gibraltar? These places are quite far away from the mainland and are sparsely populated, so may not have the same class conciousness. Would we allow them to be annxed by Argentina, Spain and any other country who would want places such as the Pitcairn Islands, Bermuda, Montserrat and the British Indian Ocean Territory?

Obviously most of these places are not actually part of the UK, but are under its soveriegnty.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 12:46 pm
The thread about the possible break-up of the Union made me think about something - after a future revolution in the UK, if it still exists, what would happen to outlying areas such as the Falklands and Gibraltar? These places are quite far away from the mainland and are sparsely populated, so may not have the same class conciousness. Would we allow them to be annxed by Argentina, Spain and any other country who would want places such as the Pitcairn Islands, Bermuda, Montserrat and the British Indian Ocean Territory?

Obviously most of these places are not actually part of the UK, but are under its soveriegnty.
You could not do anything else. The lines are too overstretched and their strategic signifance could not be defended during a period of weakness.

[Amusing Scrotum]

The Peoples Commission for Revolutionary Gift Giving, would give the Falklands to Richard Curtis -- based on the assumption that if he's a Supreme Dictator of a few small islands, he won't have the time and energy to write another shitty film.

However, rumour has it that the Revolutionary Council for Transport quite fancy using them as a Bus Depo...

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[Hate Is Art]

Sh, Richard Curtis is boss.

Seriously, we have no need to hold onto the gains of our deplorable Imperialistic days. NI though? Do we give it to the Republic?

[RedAnarchist]

I&#39;m not bothered about keeping them - I would fully support giving them independance and giving NI back.

[Sankara1983]

Anguilla, Bermuda, BVI, Cayman Islands, and Turks and Caicos Islands would be relatively viable as independent states. Bermuda is the most developed, economically and politically, and the government there has set up a commission to prepare some sort of plan for eventual independence. TCI might join up with Canada, but this proposal has been discussed for years without any action. It would not unite with The Bahamas, because it would lose the benefits (i.e., tax haven status, etc.) that are not afforded to an integral part of another sovereign state.

Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands would probably prefer to retain links with a new republic rather than go it alone, for defense purposes.

The Pitcairn Islands would have to be ceded to New Zealand or France, because its population (around 40) is not self-sustaining and the population has developed an intense hatred for British control in the past few years. Saint Helena, Ascension, and Tristan da Cunha would also probably retain some ties because of their small populations and remoteness. Ascension has particular military significance, and could be annexed to the US if undefended.

Akrotiri and Dhekelia would be returned to the Republic of Cyprus, and BIOT would be given back to the indigenous Chagossians, who would proceed to expel the imperialists from their huge military base on Diego Garcia.

Montserrat is dominated by an active volcano that destroyed its capital 10 years ago; it would continue to require aid from elsewhere.

The British Antarctic Territory and SGSSI could be legitimately retained for research purposes, as they have no indigenous inhabitants.

The 15 other Commonwealth realms would have to completely refactor their constitutions and political systems. The abolition of the monarchy must be a negotiated process in which the opinions of the people of the Commonwealth realms are consulted and acted on. However, there is a distinct possibility that one or several realms will sever links with the Crown themselves by not proclaiming the succession of the new King Charles III.

[Hate Is Art]

Quick question, what is the status of these countries? I&#39;m almost 100% sure they don&#39;t have seats in Parliament so what is their governmental situation or do they just do what Parliament tells them?

[Sankara1983]

None are represented in the British Parliament.

Of the populated territories, Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, and the Turks and Caicos Islands have their own constitutions, chief ministers and legislatures, but the governor is the formal chief executive and exercises some independent powers. In the Falkland Islands, Pitcairn Island, and Saint Helena the governor is the top authority on most matters.

All of the territories I mentioned above are listed as non-self-governing by the UN decolonization office. The UN&#39;s comprehensive reports about each territory can be accessed here (http://www.un.org/depts/dpi/decolonization/docs_working%20papers_2006.htm).

[Hate Is Art]

Thanks for the information Comrade.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Amusing [email protected] 16, 2007 05:08 pm
The Peoples Commission for Revolutionary Gift Giving, would give the Falklands to Richard Curtis -- based on the assumption that if he&#39;s a Supreme Dictator of a few small islands, he won&#39;t have the time and energy to write another shitty film.

However, rumour has it that the Revolutionary Council for Transport quite fancy using them as a Bus Depo...

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What the devil&#33;&#33;&#33;

Four Weddings is a great film&#33;

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by Invader [email protected] 17, 2007 12:50 pm
Four Weddings is a great film&#33;

Yeah, it is -- but you&#39;ll never catch me saying that in public. <_<

[Hate Is Art]

Four Weddings, psh, Love Actually is where it&#39;s at.