Communism image problem

[Mclaren]

In a book it said that communism had the larget number of supporters why isin't it in the overemnt. I think it has an image problem. Communism gets a bad name because of starlin and russia. We can't change that. We need to have a new modern leader that makes it look how it is good.

[MJM]

The problem is the media and the psuedo freedom of speech they go on about.Stalin wasn't the thug the west makes him out to be.
They paint a picture of grey buildings and faceless masses it's not the actions of communists that cause the problems in perception. I do agree we need a new leader to come out and bring some life back into the fight.
There are many struggles for freedom going on now the media just doesn't show it. If it's not a war for imperialism it just isn't fit for our viewing.

[Freiheit]

the only argument against communism is: ' it doesnt work'.
but because of stalin it has a bad image, i agree.
stalin was really bad.
new leaders = new movement.
we need above all a new movement. communism has a bad image that is right. im a socialist, but still, it needs confidence to say it. it has a bad image.

[booga]

Quote: from Freiheit on 12:39 am on Dec. 14, 2001
the only argument against communism is: ' it doesnt work'.
but because of stalin it has a bad image, i agree.
stalin was really bad.
new leaders = new movement.
we need above all a new movement. communism has a bad image that is right. im a socialist, but still, it needs confidence to say it. it has a bad image.


i agree with freedom man but "socialism" may be one of those...how can i put it? (aghrr im so frustrated right now!) like a word that changes meaning and translation with the times, either orthodox or unorthodox in manner. (sorry i brought it up :( )

NEW WORLD ORDER??

[Avamatha]

New leader wouldn't be a bad idea. Someone who puts end to all this foolish "Bushism". I don't mean that someone should kill Bush. I mean that someone should try to... errm... do something. (Ok, speaking is out of count)

Though, when you start to think of that, not just one guy can't do that. Demonstrations are one way, but meaningless to Bush himself.

Arrhh... Need to get more sleep. I'm starting to feel funny... Have any of you noticed that this channel makes you an addict? :D

(Edited by Avamatha at 12:15 am on Dec. 15, 2001)

[Kez]

What can one do about an image problem?

1) dont make it any worse with unnecacery violence
2)make it clear that reds are not anarchists or stalinists, and show the correct definition

comrade kamo

[El Commandante]

I don't see the image changing, it has been firmly made through the mouth piece of governments the media and also through McCarhtyism. They have what the want, a population that are scared of communism because they think that they will be oppressed and they believe that capitalism is the best for them. The governments of the world aren't suddenly going to say, what a sec. socialism isn't all that bad. Not when they are making so much £ from it.

[Avamatha]

TavareeshKamo,

I'm really starting to like you. :) You have always something wise to say.

It's true, very often communists get mixed with anarchists. What should be done? *is starting to feel very revolutionary*

[MJM]

Don't be so hard on anarchists guys, they're not that bad.
The left needs to unite not fight about whos better than who.

(Edited by MJM at 5:12 pm on Dec. 17, 2001)

[Freiheit]

what can we do?

expain, explain, explain.
teach, teach, teach.
discuss, discuss, discuss.
dont being afraid.
and try it again and again.
go to your limit. dont give up.
always see the victory
and work for the right thing.

[Guest]

It seems to me that the "only argument against communsim: it doesn't work," is a very effective one. The reasons for this failure extend beyond simplistic definitions of human nature, and into concrete personal utility maximizing economics. You guys can "educate" others all you want, but read a couple of economic books and educate yourselves first.

[Freiheit]

i am not a communist, actually. just a socialist.
but still.
if we have an aim of a almost perfect (communist) society, if have to work for it, we have to fight for it. if it is not possible it doesnt make it worse. we have to work for it and go in the right direction. maybe it takes 10'000 years to educate the ppl.
BUT WE HAVE TO BEGIN NOW TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE!!!

[peaccenicked]

Communism has an image problem but that is not really
our problem. The real problem is that the majority of people in the imperialist world are not anti imperialist.
Does anti imperialism have an image problem.
We to discuss our problems on this level first

[Hayduke]

I agree with FREIHEIT all it takes is explaining and a listening ear...

[Kez]

Quote: from Avamatha on 6:27 pm on Dec. 16, 2001
TavareeshKamo,

I'm really starting to like you. :) You have always something wise to say.

It's true, very often communists get mixed with anarchists. What should be done? *is starting to feel very revolutionary*


y of course :)

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[Field Marshal]

Freiheit is right about education, but how can we do that? http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=11&topic=816 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=816)

and about that anarchist comment http://www.infoshop.org/Welcome.html

well I think that we are the ones who are a bit confused. Communism only has this "image" because too many Americans believe that capitalism is what brings democracy. Too many Americans believe that Communsim is the opposite of Capitalism (which it is) and is not democratic. That is completely wrong, Communism is completely democratic (in theory).

[Xvall]

Saying communism is wrong because of 'Big Bad Stalin' would be like me going around germany shooting everyone because, "They might turn out like Hitler...". I've said before.. Let's not forget who saved Europe's ass during World War Two. I don't recall America suffering Twenty-Five Million casualties.

[Nateddi]

After shit settles down, we will see intelligent communist leaders making speeches that slowly get more attention. There will be great explanation behind theories and promises. Given time, this will happen, and more attention will be brought to it. Communism will lose the image, and people will be more educated about it. Just give it some time.

[Xvall]

I would be glad to be one of those intelligent speakers within the nearby future. However, I don't think that many people would be willing to listen to me at the time considering my age.

- Drake Dracoli

[Nateddi]

Hey, thats ok, its pretty obvious that the young generation is more left than the old. This is a natural process.

[Xvall]

It's always the old to lead us into wars,
And the young to take the fall..
Maybe that's their plan?
Draft all the Leftists to Die For Oil...