my school

[redcannon]

my school is full of ingorant pricks. its a school of preppy capitalists who can't think of a single thing in the world that is wrong, and i'd like to enlighten them a bit, beause after a while their happy capitalist bullshit gets very annoying. i'd like a suggestion that doesn't involve me personally explaining the horrors of capitalism to every one of them. i tried graffiti, but they don't know what i'm talking about.

ex.

"Defend Oaxaca" is what i wrote

"What's a Oaxaca?" they reply

[MolotovLuv]

Perhaps set up a table with pamphlets and other pieces of information. They will be curious and want to know what your up to so you'll have an opportunity to reach out to the students and share a little knowledge with them that they normally wouldn't hear or pay attention to. You don't have to share the horrors of capitalism with every one of them, but you'll be able to give them an opportunity to look into radicalism. There is no easy way to open people's minds so you'll have to do some explaining no matter what. You'd probably find some comrades this way to. Wheatpaste some flyers up to that say more than just a few words can also work wonders. :D

[MolotovLuv]

sorry, i'm at work so some of what I wrote might not make sense ;)

I should have MLK day off <_<

[which doctor]

Discuss something relevant to their everyday lives, then they will listen.

Oaxaca isn&#39;t relevant to most of their lives.

[redcannon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 04:54 pm
Discuss something relevant to their everyday lives, then they will listen.

Oaxaca isn&#39;t relevant to most of their lives.
there rich OC beach kids with not a care in the world. Nothing about about politics or economics is relevent in their lives.
I tried explaining to one of them about what was happening in Darfur.
Their answer, and i quote: "why should we care about that, they have people that deal with that."

fuck they piss me off

[Tower of Bebel]

Stalin would have them shot... maybe he was that bad anyway :rolleyes:

Serious, many people are ignorant and a small bunch of then are pricks. Don&#39;t give up. The people who question society are the ones who keep the ignorant ones alive ;) .

[Forward Union]

Im sure you&#39;re school has a lot of cliche problems, not enough spending on a certain subject, creationism taught as science, canteen food not fit for a dog etc...

...and im sure the students (or at least some of them) must get pissed off with elements of the school leadership.

So, why not mobilise fellow students around one of those issues? forget converting people to the glorious brotherhood of communism, it doesn&#39;t matter if they call themselves capitalists, liberals, or whatever, because the bottom line is that they are workers. And if you can get working class students to mobilise against something like a school putting profit before education, then you have got people into the class struggle. Don&#39;t even tell them that any of this has anything to do with politics, they will fullfil their natural role as the proletariat when they have been nudged into a position that forces them to acknolage a class tension that directly effects them.

And at the end of the day, that is more important that getting some brain dead lemming to call himself a communist.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

I know lots that dont give a fuck about politics, i leae them go and when they work, theyll want to know communism. Its betther than my school...today someone said what is commun..immis

[Dante666]

Its betther than my school...today someone said what is commun..immis

I got one up on that in sophmore year someone in my history class, american history for the fith or sixth time being in america of course (gotta love those brain dead nationalistic monkeys who decide what we are going to learn), said something along the lines of "Was the underground railroad really underground? I didn&#39;t think they had trains that could run underground yet" :huh: . The lesson being in most non third world countries people just, america britan france isreal ect., we can afford to not give a shit becuase we depend on other countries for our working force. Personally I would just find peopl who accept you as starters. There is no easy way to change a school full of ignorant consumer whores. Also it is important to rember most of these brainless pawns are the product of the poor excuse for communities modern day schools provide, bad parenting, and of course their negative views on learning (once again thank your brainless nationalistic monkeys who have created the useless distructive institution we call school).

[shadowed by the secret police]

You need to act like a wild-eyed revolutionary&#33; Try and send them some documentary youtube footage of revolutions around the world. Don&#39;t be surprised if you don&#39;t win many of them over, though. They are, for the most part, reactionary fools.

[Janus]

This is pretty typical in high school in that most kids don&#39;t care much about politics. I suppose the best way to get them organized is to appeal to issues that affect them all ie a school issue.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Do what I did. Find some loser with no friends and turn him into a radical communist. It works. Then you&#39;ll have someone cool to hang out with. As for all the idiot preps, just take pride in the fact that you&#39;re a great revolutionary thinker and they&#39;re ignorant fools.

If you have enough leftist friends, you can start a club or something. Some anarchist punk kids will probably take interest and you&#39;ll have a decent following.

[redcannon]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 20, 2007 12:55 pm
Do what I did. Find some loser with no friends and turn him into a radical communist. It works.
yea, but isn&#39;t that using a kids weakness against him? that seems a bit to much like exploitation to me. what if he doesn&#39;t want to be a radical communist and really just wants some friends? that&#39;d be just like a kid doing drugs to be cool.

[Vladislav]

dude I&#39;d rather have people at my school who don&#39;t know what communism is, over people who at the first sound of communism say shit like "oh like Hitler and stuff?".

Trust me we have people like that and it&#39;s goddam annoying when you tell them what communism is and then a week later they see a swastika and tell you that it&#39;s a communist symbol. Jesus fucking christ.

[Tekun]

Hit me up, we&#39;re close by
I could give u a hand

[Question everything]

I know how you feel man, I&#39;m stuck in the happy sub-urbs I&#39;ve never called myself a Radical or anything similar but whenever I try to explain what capitalism is doing to the world, all I ever hear in response is "shut up you hippie (or commie)" they don&#39;t care, as long as they get to play their videogames as far as most of them are concered, ignorance is bliss, they don&#39;t care if global warming is going to destroy life as we know it or that capitalism is piting us against each other by out soursing, the fact that america is getting away with war crimes... they just don&#39;t care...

[Fawkes]

In the classroom, if a topic is ever brought up that you could put a socialist spin on, take advantage of it. Debate your teachers and students will maybe begin to think that you&#39;re not such a crazy kid after all. The biggest thing that you have to do is be open about your beliefs, because if you hide them and never talk about them, you&#39;ll never persuade anybody.

[Question everything]

I never shy away from being anti-capitalist when politics comes up as a subject... but I&#39;m not learning history or anything that really touches solcailism, this year if their was any referance to communism in the text books we skipped it.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Question [email protected] 22, 2007 08:55 pm
I never shy away from being anti-capitalist when politics comes up as a subject... but I&#39;m not learning history or anything that really touches solcailism, this year if their was any referance to communism in the text books we skipped it.
Question teachers, all the time. It doesn&#39;t matter if it&#39;s a socialist,communist, anarchist,whatever, spin, but first you need people to think. Then a revolution is inevitable.

[Dante666]

if their was any referance to communism in the text books we skipped it.

we live in a capitalist society capitalism is the opposite of capitalism just state whats bad with capitalism and the alternatives will come up. Also if your reading anything normally there is a reference to the lower class which is always a good opportunity&#39;s to discuss modern day class structures.


The biggest thing that you have to do is be open about your beliefs, because if you hide them and never talk about them, you&#39;ll never persuade anybody.

I agree but u have to do more honestly everyone who knows anything about me knows I&#39;m a leftist but its done little to unite me with my fellow leftists. Oh and most importantly don&#39;t take the "wait till college everything will be better" bull shit I say we are living in the present so lets fight here and now and not wait till later.

[Coggeh]

I find that if you try to make the connection of capitalism , the bosses, the rich and your principal the students come over to your side very easily, jus last week people asked me what socialism is , and just today were going about setting up a students union .... School is the first workplace ... fight the power :)

[lithium]

Some of my friends at uni are very interested in student and worker rights. The students union exec initiated a boycott against the extreme profiteering of companies in the university; myself and a housemate took to the campus grounds with placards and banners and started a two-man picket that ended up attracting some media attention. Next day I walked into college and I could hear drumming from far off: outside the shop I found a big crowd of people with banners and all, and there were a couple of video cameras around. :)

Anyways I&#39;m getting sidetracked... The point is that even though these people were very active and vocal in resisting the profiteering, they probably wouldn&#39;t call themselves Socialist or anything. I&#39;ve had conversations about capitalism vs Socialism with some friends, and even though they wouldn&#39;t know much about leftism, they&#39;d still try to argue against Socialism. They&#39;ll talk about Stalin, Russia and how people are so poor in Eastern Europe and how because of capitalism we&#39;re all rich and everything&#39;s grand. But on the plus side, I think I&#39;ve opened their eyes to alternative viewpoints.

So basically people might be pretty left-wing without realising it. They&#39;ll want rights for workers and students, they&#39;ll be against Nazism and fascism... What you need to do is encourage this and ease them gently into the ideas of Socialism and Communism.

[Question everything]

I used to question teachers in middle school, not with a leftist view, but generally... the only thing that happened was the kids just got pissed off... when ever I try to talk to anyone about my views I simply get dismissed... by the way any one here from Oakville, ON Canada?

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

I&#39;m at a suburban, middle-class, multi-ethnic school. When people learn about my beliefs they usually all say exactly the same thing:

"But if a doctor and a garbage collector earn the same amount of money-" At this point I interrupt and explain Kropotkin&#39;s moneyless society. They have nothing else to say after, normally. Most of the guys I speak to are pretty socially left, but economically right. This is frustrating, because they all state that they will grow up as rich entrpeneurs with no cares for anyone else.

Then I encountered this quasi-nationalist Nordic reactionary who instantly said "No, anarchism isn&#39;t good&#33;" Without any knowledge of it as a philosophy. He said that without laws the organised crime scene would flourish and dominate us all. I said they&#39;d lose half their members after the revolution, and the rest would not be able to carry out their deeds in a moneyless society.

Some people have expressed mild interest and tolerance, but normally they&#39;re odd smelling chaps who pretend to understand what I&#39;m saying to appear slightly cooler. (but only by a little, I&#39;m not high up on the social ladder obviously)

As for girls, there was one with an anarchist shirt, and I asked her if she was one. She said "What&#39;s anarchism?" I sighed inwardly and reminded myself why I&#39;ll never date again. Another girl asked the same thing when I brought the topic up.

My best friend is patient with me and agrees with me in many cases, though he usually stays quiet. He does listen to Rage Against the Machine though.

[Dante666]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 04:48 am
As for girls, there was one with an anarchist shirt, and I asked her if she was one. She said "What&#39;s anarchism?" I sighed inwardly and reminded myself why I&#39;ll never date again. Another girl asked the same thing when I brought the topic up.
I would have started to lecture her. How could you not know :A:=anarchy if your wearing a shirt with that on it. I have met girls who pretend to be anarchists but then when I talk to them they say stuff like "no I don&#39;t actually believe in it".

I hate the amount of ignorance in my school. I get made fun of for being a leftist and having extreme views all the time and when ever I&#39;m talking about politics current events or adding on to a conversation I always get "shut up" or "I don&#39;t care" yet I&#39;m constantly being called a dumb ass. My teachers don&#39;t even respect my opinions. They immediately assign me the label of hippie and start talking to me like I&#39;m just doing it to be popular(which is absurd in a american public highschool). Oh and all the honors kids who know me are constantly trying to argue with me to make themselves feel smarter because leftism is stupid and "may look good but doesn&#39;t work on paper" (which is the most bull shit argument u can put out).

Ok I&#39;m done with the whining and ranting. The point I&#39;m making or should be making is the majority of high school and below students, especially in america, are ignorant and don&#39;t give a shit.

[Question everything]

But I must admit I&#39;m hardly a socialist, I support the fundamentals, but I have a very poor understanding of it in both everyday life and in historical context (beside the scraps I can pick from capitalist sourses)... that is why I signed up here and also why I don&#39;t yell to every kid I see i&#39;m a socialist (not like any of them know what that means). that is the problem now and always will be until a revolution, whether in thought, politic or a violent revolution, however you put it, until then it is difficult to find any real information, I found this site through Che Lives, which I found by linking though a couple of sites which were hardly leftist

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Originally posted by Dante666+January 23, 2007 08:51 pm--> (Dante666 @ January 23, 2007 08:51 pm)
[email protected] 23, 2007 04:48 am
As for girls, there was one with an anarchist shirt, and I asked her if she was one. She said "What&#39;s anarchism?" I sighed inwardly and reminded myself why I&#39;ll never date again. Another girl asked the same thing when I brought the topic up.
I would have started to lecture her. How could you not know :A:=anarchy if your wearing a shirt with that on it. I have met girls who pretend to be anarchists but then when I talk to them they say stuff like "no I don&#39;t actually believe in it".

I hate the amount of ignorance in my school. I get made fun of for being a leftist and having extreme views all the time and when ever I&#39;m talking about politics current events or adding on to a conversation I always get "shut up" or "I don&#39;t care" yet I&#39;m constantly being called a dumb ass. My teachers don&#39;t even respect my opinions. They immediately assign me the label of hippie and start talking to me like I&#39;m just doing it to be popular(which is absurd in a american public highschool). Oh and all the honors kids who know me are constantly trying to argue with me to make themselves feel smarter because leftism is stupid and "may look good but doesn&#39;t work on paper" (which is the most bull shit argument u can put out).

Ok I&#39;m done with the whining and ranting. The point I&#39;m making or should be making is the majority of high school and below students, especially in america, are ignorant and don&#39;t give a shit. [/b]
I think you just got an unlucky school. At my school the people often seem more lenient and open yet clearly extremely skeptical. Funnily enough, my 9th grade teacher was infact one who had read Marx extensively, and made our class read the first 10 pages of the Communist Manifesto w/ analysis.

She after that though. :( Great teacher

[Question everything]

maybe... but I have had alot of teachers I doubt most of them knew what was a marxist was... like I (along with many others on this thread have) said it&#39;s the sub-urbs, every one here will smile like idiots, ignoring the warning and the plights of others until the capitalist come gunning for them... and by then it will probably be too late