former Yugoslavia

[Sabina]

I'm new here on this forum and I've been reading your posts here - I've realized I can learn a lot here.....
So I have a question?!

Since I'm from former Yugoslavia, I still have my heart there... Before the war, while TITO was still alive, everything was just great!!! We had communism and as I remember everybody was happy! (well....obviously not everybody since the war started)

But when TITO died the country started do fall down just because idiots wanted to come to the power and have their asses licked!

While the communists had power, there was no talk about religions, about politics....people minded their own bussiness and in the same country there lived 6 different nations! We were getting along just fine!

But the war began and it became the war of religions!!!! Catholics, muslims and orthodox had a war against each other....their gods were fighting!!! how stupid is that....?!

It will never be as it was before!!! In Bosnia there still live people different religions, trying to get along!! But they're so mentally devastated so they're not thinking clearly...They blame Tito for everything, they are separating kids in the schools just cause they have different religions.....why!? Cause they don't understand that there's still a chanse for us to live together again!
I'm only glad to say that fortunately there are people who still believe in Tito and who don't let religions rule their lives!!!!! I'm one of them....religion's nothing to me....Tito's rule is the best thing that had happened Yugoslavia ever!!!!

And I would really like to hear your oppinion on this topic.....do you think it'll ever be ok there....

[libereco]

I don't really know much about Tito, or even the situation in former Yugoslavia (i'm an ignorant bastard.)

All I can say is that for myself, no leader, no matter how good he may be, can ever be accepted, and his position is never justified.
This goes from Hitler over Castro to Bush...

i think i'll read up on Tito and then come back here ;)

[Michael]

I think Tito's great work was to keep all those different nations under one flag..I 've got friends in Belgrade and Kikinda(..or something like that)and I like you people of Yugoslavia.But watch out Sabina,you made Tito another God.It's all about dogma...
I kind of admire the way Czechoslovakians handled the same situation.Without war or anything.

Peace of mind

[Kez]

Tito and Dudek were the most brilliant communist leaders of eastern europe
Long live Dudek, fucking USSR fucked that one up, taking his power down, mother fuckers

comrade kamo

[Moskitto]

Was Dudek the one in Czecheslovakia?

Or was that Dubchek?

Or are they both the same person which have been spelt differently?

If it is, He was good because he wanted to make communism work properly. Shame USSR had to destroy it.

[Kez]

thank you for correcting me moskitto

comrade kamo

[Sabina]

Right I agree...Tito was one of the best leaders who could keep so many nations under the same sky so to say! But I can not understand people who once were his pioneers that they blame him that much....

At he 10 years anniversary of his death, very few people came - there were even demonstrations against keeping his memory alive!!!!! After everything good that he has done people thank him like this!!!!

And also I agree when it comes to Chechoslovakia. I admire them for handeling the situation without war! We could use such a leader all over the world.....

[libereco]

i think the world doesn't need any leaders...

no leaders, no slaves or something ;)

[Kez]

anarchy sux donkey balls, it dont work, its utopia, ie we will never reach it

comrade kamo

[libereco]

i can say the same thing about true communism/true capitalism, but it doesn't prove my point anymore then you just prove yours.

[Michael]

No Godz,No masterz..
Long live the dreamers..

[libereco]

or how about?

equality, justice and freedom under a leader.....
long live the dreamer

see mine even rhymes.

little catchphrases don't prove a point. Just labeling someone a dreamer is not an argument.

[jimr]

True communism, true anarchism is very similar, only real difference being in centralised Governments. On this i must side with the Anarchists. However I don't consider myself an Anarchist as at the moment most Anarchists are radicals that believe in burning government buildings etc.

In this life i have only one goal (well one main one) To come as close as possible to an ideal world. At the moment i feel tremendous guilt about being in a middle class family moaning about the state of the world from my £1000 computer. Utopia is a goal. An unobtainable goal. But if it was obtainable then it wouldnt be worth striving for. The goal is therefor to come as close as possible.
I dont want to live my life sitting on my comfy expensive sofas drinking in the luxeries while people all over the world suffer and die because of capitalism and the very means that i obtain my luxeries from. I am at the moment far to young to be able to do anything with my life (Im 16, birthdays in january). I find that my friends strive for money, for jobs that will earn them the most money. This sickens me. Why is it that we have allowed ourselves to become conditioned into thinking that money is the most important thing in life. All this so that the government can control teh populus. Stability. This one word is what capitalist governments strive for. You might as well call it control. Mindless drones all wanting more and more while those not forunate enough to be able to beg are starved to death.

The goal of life should not be money, it should be helping one another, helping the state, helping your neighbour, none of this isolationist bullshit.

The aim of life is not to rack up as much material possessions as possible. Atleast i hope it is not.

[Michael]

Quote: from libereco on 4:33 pm on Dec. 11, 2001

little catchphrases don't prove a point. Just labeling someone a dreamer is not an argument.


Well,I often get misunderstood.It's alright..First of all I think little catchphrases do make a point,and I haven't labeled anyone here.I consider myself a dreamer and that's why I wrote it.If the word dreamer does not fit you then it's OK with me..

NO GODS NO MASTERS
LONG LIVE THE DREAMERS

mine does not rhyme..

Peace..

[Derar]

Hello sabina , im from former yugoslavia too .
Im really glad i found someone that shares my views about Tito , and all the bullshit that happend in yugoslavia . I still pretend its one country ! but i know that reality is different . ( i still have the red passport ) !!
Tito was one of the best leaders ever ........ though he was a bit Dictator ..... but at least he kept all kinds of ppl under one flag ..... no wars , no hatred ...... until he died .
I was in Bosnia 3 months ago , in Tuzla . the situation there is pretty good ........ Christians and muslims r really getting along ...... no one asks for ur religion or anything . But i found something really bad there ..... that the youth r getting into nazism !! i met some young ppl there, some of them praise skinheads !! though all of them dont really know what Nazism is or anything about it , all they know is that they have to be strong , and kill the chinese and the black ppl ! i tried to educate them a bit , some of them agreed , and gave it up , but the others said that they like it , and its the way they will be !!

well , i guess they r just onother victim of war !

[Guest]

While Tito was preferable to the wars that ensued after his death, you shouldn't idealize him. After all he was more than "a bit [of] a dictator." He oversaw the murder of 40,00 Croats after WW2, including the usual mix of women, children and the elderly.

[Moskitto]

My mum said that when she went to Yugoslavia when it was ruled by Tito it was strange because there was a picture of him in every public building.