Spark of Truth

[Karo Chevez]

Trotsky wrote concerning those whom he termed as vulgar evolutionists which limit themselves to recognizing evolution in only certain spheres,while contenting themselves in other questions with the banalities of common sense.I propose that likewise there are vulgar communists which content themselves with the idea of theory only and give themselves to
nothing more than debates and discussions in which
they hope to expand upon or discover new approaches
to Marxist theory,however Marx himself has stated that
theory has gone as far as it can,our task is to move theory into practice.There are communists and socialists
that propose to change society by political activity and
the introduction of social reforms,however the machinery
of democratic capitalism is geared so as to allow only the
wealthy and corrupt participation in the political process.
Were socialists to groom a candidate in order to compete in corporate politics and were that candidate to
by some strecth of the imagination be elected,his voice
would be stifled,his proposals would be vetoed,his seat
would be an empty office.A change in a species comes about by the emergence of a dominant gene and society
as well can only be changed by the emergence of a dominant ideology that makes its presence known by an
abrupt occurrance in the social pool.This can only be accomplished by awakening the political conscious of the
toiling masses who must be organized,trained,and armed.There must exist a workers vanguard,a hardened
core of revolutionaries that will act on behalf of workers
in order to educate the populace and ferment revolution.
The present political structure of this nation mirrors the
the economic structure in which a select few hold power
over a multitude of struggling souls that spend their days in a dreamworld that one day salvation shall come
and the inequalities that exist will be destroyed for all
time,we know what the people want and need,security,
justice,and an equal opportunity to find contentment.We
realize as do they that there is no justice in ten people
working for the sake of one,that the joyous leisure of the rich is afforded them by the sweat and anguish of the workers.As long as there is one oppressed soul I am
likewise oppressed,one that lives in poverty I too am poor,and one that is enslaved or in prison,I cannot be
free.-Karo

[Freiheit]

Quote: from Karo Chevez on 3:34 pm on Nov. 24, 2001
This can only be accomplished by awakening the political conscious of the
toiling masses who must be organized,trained,and armed.There must exist a workers vanguard,a hardened
core of revolutionaries that will act on behalf of workers
in order to educate the populace and ferment revolution


first, you must get the majority of the population for your ideas (only then is a change legitimized). if you have the majority, the you must try it on a democratic way, before you use forces and lifes must be paid.

[Karo Chevez]

To enact social reform by democratic means is the only
just approach to a true and lasting change,but dont
confuse democratic capitalism with its corporate politics
as a form of true democracy.The workers must depend
on trade unions to have a voice in politics and then only
if their ideas are in keeping with union policies,were they
to espouse an ideology which the union deems unfit for
its members,the worker must choose between his ideas
and the proposition of unemployment.Were the people
faced with the choice of democratic capitalism and food,
at what point of starvation would they at last reject an unjust system in order to live?Children are enrolled in
the educational system in order to instill a national pride
and they are taken to church so as to be endoctrinated
into the accepted prejudice of a deranged theology,the
church supports the authority of the state,and the state
enpowers its officials with an oath before god,where is
there separation between church and state?Both are
institutions whose overall aim is mutual protection in an
effort to preserve the existing order.I am aware that there are reformists who call themselves socialists but in
reality are merely delusional capitalists that think they can preserve the system by enacting policies in order to
pacify the masses and thus avoid social revolution.I dont
like the idea of armed revolution no more than the next,
however I dislike an unjust system moreso,and for this
cause one can only choose the lesser of two evils.If you
think you can accomplish social change through political
means in a corporate-based society,and have a plan to
bring about reform by peaceful means,then you my friend have no doubt built the perfect mousetrap and I
suspect the world will beat a path to your doorstep.I on
the otherhand have no other option but to suspect that
the people will realize the injustices of the system and will rise up in protest and shall follow the lead of a well-
informed core of agitators into an open rebellion.-Karo

[Freiheit]

yes, but you should it always try on peacefull way first. if it doesnt work, then you can start a revolution.
but it starts in a revolution and ends in civil war, so first, try it peacefull.

[pce]

the way i see it, it is our job, as an extremely small minority to first make others feel and think the way we do. (this is not propoganda any more than any political group seeking to promote itself is.) the people who will most likely support our cause are workers from lower to middle class and when we gain their support, we will see what happens from there. we, as a small minority, cannot hope to change things, we cannot hope for a revolution of the violent or peaceful kind because we don't have the support for it. in fact, if we try any type of revolution, we will probably make the very people who should be supporting us turn against us. we have to first get as many people on our side as possible. once the amount of people on our side is greater than that of people on the opposition, things will change, they will have to change and they will change on their own. it is not a question of putting a socialist politician in power, because no one will support him/her. we have to first build up a majority that will support such a person/system then set up the system.

that is how i see it.

[Freiheit]

yes, and when we have enough support we should do it like ghandi.

[Karo Chevez]

I have the book The Essential Gandhi by Louis Fischer and the epic movie Gandhi starring Ben Kingsley,I find
Gandhi to be a fascinating individual and admire that
he viewed his life as an experiment in truth,he stated
that Truth was his god and that non-violence was his
way of realizing him.Of course Martin Luther King Jr.
based his non-violent protest for civil rights on that of
Gandhi who perceived that truth and force have nothing
in common;however,we should understand that truth
being promoted from the muzzle of a gun bears greater
influence than the pacifist plea of an unarmed man.The
peaceable man is willing to make concessions in order
to preserve the peace,the fanatic will continue to push
his agenda,in the end the fanatic will win.From the dawn
of civilization men have struggled against the elements,
against their environment,and against one another,this
is the natural law of evolution which promotes survival of
those possessing dominant traits;however,as rational
beings we must learn to employ these dominant traits for the benefit of the community rather than for personal
advancement,for it is animalistic instinct to feed off of the
weak.We know how to care for small children that must
depend on their parents for protection and provision,and
to care for the elderly once they can no longer care for
themselves,or the handicapped and disabled who must
rely on that one trait that promotes humans far above
brute beasts,compassion.We must never stifle individual
expression in its search for innovation especially in the
field of social endeavor by which to build an ideal society
in which true justice and equality resides.When faced with his execution Che replied,Shoot coward,you only kill
a man".Men are born,they live and die,but a great idea
lives on,and as it has been said,there is nothing as great as an idea whose time has come.We all search for
that great idea,that certain truth for which we shall live
and die,Che found it and so have I,and so must you,that
great idea and certain truth is socialism.-Karo

[Freiheit]

if the ghandi-way doesnt work, you still can try it
with a brutal revolution which will end, like every
revolution, in a civil war.

[Karo Chevez]

Revolution is civil war,theres no distinction between the
two,and war is not a scientific game,its not merely stats,
charts,maps,strategy and tactics,it is above all else an act of violence.When a discontented people have no avenue or outlet for their stored-up hostilities,when they
are not given a voice in governmental policy,when they
cry out for social and economic equality,when there is no
justice in the land and every other approach has proven
futile,they will at last unite,organize,and arise.-Karo

[Son of Scargill]

I can't dispute you're reasoning Karo,but have you ever tried to get hold of decent weaponry in the UK?It ain't easy,and one bullet will cost as much as the gun anyway.That's obviously illegal weaponry I'm talking about.The other option is shotguns,and they just won't cut it up against a state army like the UK's.
That's why I have to follow a more democratic route.


(Edited by Son of Scargill at 1:23 am on Nov. 26, 2001)

[Freiheit]

forcible revolution=civil war

and thats the reason why you should try not to use a
revolution.
then war is bad, and it must be needed as less as
possible.

but there are also nonviolent revolutions.
thats the better solution, also it tooks longer to
win, but you will be more than just better respected.

[Karo Chevez]

There are so-called peaceful protests,they seldom prove to be peaceful,and there has never been a bloodless revolution.Consider Indias non-violent revolution against
the British,while Gandhi advised against the use of force
it never stopped the British from using force,for one to
bow before the boot only results in a kick to the head.To
turn the other cheek only gets both sides of the face
reddened and bruised.Revolution depends on the action
of a determined majority who in turn depend on a call to
arms by a determined revolutionary group which in turn
depend on a single agitator who possesses a full grasp
of the essentials.Revolution is not merely a resolution for
one may make a resolution to lose weight,stop smoking,
or accomplish a certain other goal,but his resolution is
only as strong as his current commitment,for in the final
analysis it will depend on his determination and courage
to accept the commitment of responsibility.Homosexuals
who claim that they are thus by nature rather than by
choice are no better than religionists who proclaim the
power of predestination,for in this they advocate that it
is involuntary on their part,something which they cant help no more than a table can help being a table,in this
the homosexual is trying to escape his freedom of choice
and the responsibility which it entails by promoting the
idea that he is merely a thing determined by nature,in so
doing he denies that humans are free conscious beings.
This sense of living in bad faith by pretending that we are casually determined things,mere inanimate objects,a
victim of circumstances,passive products of conditioning,
is self-deception,a means of self-alienation,in this one
estranges oneself from freedom of conscious and lives an inauthentic life by denying the responsibility of being
a conscious human being.I have stated these things in
order to declare that we must avoid this trap of denying
our rightful responsibilites as human beings,and never
claim that we are mere objects of destiny who have no
control over the conditions of the world,that the injustice
we see around us is nothing more than a fact of life and
that we have no means of establishing a better society,
for if you re not part of the solution,you re part of the
problem.-Karo

[Freiheit]

the point there is no peaceful revolution is pretty good.
i need to think about, a little bit at least.

[Freiheit]

youre right, Karo, there is no perfect revolution, some ppl will always be hurt, or even killed.
but still, you should try it without a war, i hope you know what i mean, if not please ask.

if the country is democratic enough and you have the support of a majority, you dont have to do a real revolution.

[Karo Chevez]

If the country was truly democratic there would be no need in revolution.-Karo

[Freiheit]

our opinions dont differ too much, i gues.

[Karo Chevez]

We can only know with certainty our own individual minds and their content,all existence other than our
mind becomes questionable and problematic;the physical world and the collective society of human beings
become external,out there,separate from what we are
certain of...our own consciousness and its thoughts.
Subjectivity goes on to state that one could not have
caused oneself to exist because were one to be the author of their own being and independant of everything
else,nothing would be lacking,nothing would be doubted
and to be without lack is what we all desire and can never have;however,on this assumption I tend to disagree with subjective and propose that we are the authors of our own being.We are a collection of acquired
traits,a warehouse of chosen memories,and conditioned
characteristic,for we are above all creatures of habit.Life
is a scavenger field in which we seek not only material
possessions but mainly mental obsessions by which we
create ourselves emotionally,intellectually,ideologically,
theologically,and psychologically,we chose our hopes,fears,affection,hatred,uphorias,and neurosis,for we are no more than a collection of mental and bio-chemical stimuli.As a new-born babe one is a clean slate
with no inhabitions,knowing neither good nor evil,pride
nor shame,but during the process of going through the
stages of life one allows others to influence their nature,
to enslave the individual with their own phobias and prejudice until the blackboard has become overlaid many
times with various writings and teachings insomuch that
the mind becomes a muttled distortion clouding true
reasoning that can only materialize from a pure mind.We
are born ignorant,education makes us stupid.The real trick in life is to unlearn what conventional wisdom has taught us.-Karo

[Karo Chevez]

Man is a social animal,we are born into a social
unit...the family,and its there that we acquire
the traits and characteristics by observation and
inneraction.We grasp the world outside according to the manner in which we have come to percieve
things through the eyes of our family,such as the
roles of our parents,husband and wife,mother and father,protector and nourisher,and our relations
with our siblings in accordance to birth order,the
context of favoritism,inferiorities due to size,
weaknesses,and inablibites.Though we are exposed to a great number of people from the time of birth
and are expected to act in accordance with group
behavior,obeying the rules and playing the game as
directed,still we tend to ignore the rules and play only if the game is in our favor.Those that
hold to the fables and myths of their youth expect
things to compliment their existence,they daydream
of the beauty and peace which exists in their own
wish world by which they escape the ugliness and
injustices of the real world,for they only exist in their idealized world,and they view everyone
around them as evil and undeserving of that world
which they have constructed in their own mind.The
individual always places emphasis on individuality
and the concept that others matter only inasmuch as their relationship to the individual whose life
is eternal,and who gives meaning to the world that
surrounds him.This is the case of the individual
whether one likes it or not,individualism is the
cause of inequality and suffering.Individualism with its emphasis on personal freedom and rights
over that of society can only percipitate social
instability,it is the greed and arrogance of the
individual that has led to the economic inequailty
which has weakened the structure of society and has been the cause of pillaging,murder,and war.We
are all aware of ourselves,our consciousness,mind,
and thoughts,but we must employ this awareness in
the effort of realizing the estate of others,we must develop a truly noble social conscious,one in
which we weld the individual to society,to combine
individual intelligence with a great feeling of love for all people,a sacred love that is one and
indivisible,for only then can one become complete,
only then will one be truly free.People generally
arrange their lives in order to justify and enable
their own personal goals,we must arrange our lives
in accordance to the needs of society,to find our
own means of social usefulness,to lose ourselves in the service of humanity,only then are we truly
human,for this is the creation of the new man.-Karo

[Freiheit]

Quote: from Karo Chevez on 2:56 pm on Nov. 28, 2001
Man is a social animal,we are born into a social
unit...the family,and its there that we acquire
the traits and characteristics by observation and
inneraction.We grasp the world outside according to the manner in which we have come to percieve
things through the eyes of our family,such as the
roles of our parents,husband and wife,mother and father,protector and nourisher,and our relations
with our siblings in accordance to birth order,the
context of favoritism,inferiorities due to size,
weaknesses,and inablibites.Though we are exposed to a great number of people from the time of birth
and are expected to act in accordance with group
behavior,obeying the rules and playing the game as
directed,still we tend to ignore the rules and play only if the game is in our favor.Those that
hold to the fables and myths of their youth expect
things to compliment their existence,they daydream
of the beauty and peace which exists in their own
wish world by which they escape the ugliness and
injustices of the real world,for they only exist in their idealized world,and they view everyone
around them as evil and undeserving of that world
which they have constructed in their own mind.The
individual always places emphasis on individuality
and the concept that others matter only inasmuch as their relationship to the individual whose life
is eternal,and who gives meaning to the world that
surrounds him.This is the case of the individual
whether one likes it or not,individualism is the
cause of inequality and suffering.Individualism with its emphasis on personal freedom and rights
over that of society can only percipitate social
instability,it is the greed and arrogance of the
individual that has led to the economic inequailty
which has weakened the structure of society and has been the cause of pillaging,murder,and war.We
are all aware of ourselves,our consciousness,mind,
and thoughts,but we must employ this awareness in
the effort of realizing the estate of others,we must develop a truly noble social conscious,one in
which we weld the individual to society,to combine
individual intelligence with a great feeling of love for all people,a sacred love that is one and
indivisible,for only then can one become complete,
only then will one be truly free.People generally
arrange their lives in order to justify and enable
their own personal goals,we must arrange our lives
in accordance to the needs of society,to find our
own means of social usefulness,to lose ourselves in the service of humanity,only then are we truly
human,for this is the creation of the new man.-Karo


what do you wanna say with that?

[Karo Chevez]

The philosophers admonition to their disciples was,Know
thyself".True knowledge is not pouring in that which is
without,but pouring out that which is within,it is deep
contemplation and inner-reflection which one agonizes
over in their very being that brings enlightenment to the
soul,that liberates the individual,for in the stillness of his
being he comes to realize that he is not merely one from
among many,apart and above many,but truly one among
many,that his is not a special case,that no fabled diety
has placed him on a separate plane nor granted him any
special status above his fellow human beings,that those
things which can befall him or promote him are merely a
shared human condition.Plato,Aristotle,da Vinci,Einstein,
Marx,Bertand Russell,Sartre,Freud,Adler,Darwin,Newton,
Hawking,etc,in such individuals we can be satisfied with
the knowledge that they sprang from our species rather
than promote the villainy of twisted individuals who used
the baser instincts in order to manipulate,dominant,and
murder mankind.We must go to the farest reaches of our
consciousness,to the very core of our being,to grasp the
futility of life,the absurdity of life,and once we accomplish
total despair,to love life in spite of all,and by realizing it
is a human condition shared by all,to become complete,
free from all illusions,free to live and to love,not the kind
of love that is debased and selfish,but love that is solid,
compassionate,and reflective of a soul that has become
enlightened to reality and the true estate of man.-Karo

[Guest]

The revolution must happen, but the question is in what direccion, you can go and start a fight but who will govern, the violent path of the revolution is clear but before the revolution is taken, there has to be a clear path to where the goverment is going to stand, would you like to live in a place where individual rights are
severed, where the freedom to worship your god is not allowed, where freedom of press is stifled,
if you want support of the people to create a true revolutionary force you have to ofer them something that has not been offered before a true democratic-socialist goverment whith capable leaders if you post a true goal creating parties to rally the people to create a uniform force for the true strike with a force that knows no language, racial, or national barriers but to liberade from one central point and start a new blockade

[Karo Chevez]

We know the aim of a socialist revolution,to overthrow
the machinery of imperialism as expressed by democratic
capitalism of which the United States of America is the
full enbodiment and living symbol of such a system.The
foundation of a true revolution lies in preparation of the
masses by education and endoctrination through means
of well-organized propaganda by which information and
lines of communication are set up between various parts
of a liberation front that shall orchestrate strategy and
oversee the function of tactics as well as working toward
stronger solidarity among workers and the common man
by which an overall union of the citizenry can be forged.
Party structure must be based on delegated committees
beginning at the local level progressing through district,
regional,state,and nation(as well as international)levels.
Delegates would be chosen first in the community,and of
this community commitee delegates would be appointed
to meet with delegates of other communities to form a
district committee of which select degates would be sent
to meet with other district delegates in order to form a
regional committee,this would continue throughout the
state,nation,and culminate in an international committee
by which true democracy shall be assured,this structure
of the party is the same structure that is to be observed
as the framework of a truly democratic government.Laws
and policies would be formed based on proposal,debate,
and vote beginning at local levels in which communities
would suggest ideas to the local committee which would
in turn move these proposals upward through the chain
of delegate commitees assuring everyone a true voice in
government policy.-Karo

[Karo Chevez]

As for individual rights,we should understand that rights
of the individual carries the weight of social responsibility
and the call for humane behavior.Freedom without laws
is anarchy,a law without force is no law,and a state that
has no laws is no state.Reality of the human condition
demands observance of laws collectively formed for the
common good of society,whether property rights are for
the individual or the community as a whole,there must exist a coercive state to enforce the accepted rights.The
idea of freedom is truly a noble idea,but the idea of one
granting a mad dog the freedom to roam and attack at
will is not so wise,and as long as there are mad dogs in
the human form,there must be laws which restrain those
base instincts that prey upon humanity.The law against
stealing doesnt exist for an honest man,just as the law
against rape doest exist for a decent man,only a criminal
finds fault with the law.As for censoring the press or the
idea of stifling individual voices,we should consider what
those voices are saying,for the holocaust began with words.Thoughts find expression in words and words are
a prelude to action,and action is the finality of thoughts.
Suppose your neighbor thought you were not fit to live
in his neighborhood for whatever reason,next he begins
to spread rumors and to plot with words in an effort to
have you driven away,he reports to the police that you
are a drug-dealer or that you are a child-molester,etc,in
an effort to cause you trouble and to be shunned by all
the township,while all these allegations are lies,should
such freedom of speech be protected?What of the smut
and violence that is published and promoted for money-
hunger,every mental-sickness and glorification of brute
instincts is publicized for personal enrichment of those
that worship the money-god.Personally I prefer not to
speak of religion in that it is nonsensical and not worthy
of comment by anyone professing the slightest sense of
intellect.-Karo

[Nickademus]

Quote: from Karo Chevez on 1:09 am on Nov. 26, 2001
Revolution is civil war,theres no distinction between the
two,and war is not a scientific game,its not merely stats,
charts,maps,strategy and tactics,it is above all else an act of violence.When a discontented people have no avenue or outlet for their stored-up hostilities,when they
are not given a voice in governmental policy,when they
cry out for social and economic equality,when there is no
justice in the land and every other approach has proven
futile,they will at last unite,organize,and arise.-Karo


i agree, violence is an absolute last resort. having said that, now is not that time. too many people still have faith in the democratic/legal/political systems that exist around the world today (lol many of those, however, who have dealt with small claims court would be disallusioned). it is not until a large portion of hte population have given up on the worlds leaders and the worlds potential leaders that we need to resort to the taking up of arms