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Ol' Dirty
8th January 2007, 20:39
What The Muslims Want
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This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color. (Oh really? (see below)

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own--either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years--until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South.

We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master's children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States.

We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land--or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities- NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education--but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women's colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers.

Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

With most of this I agree with. Their opinions sound very socialist up to this point:


10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hinderance or suppression.

Bullshit. What a load of utter bullshit. This is why I am so disguisted by the NOI. I would support them fully if they weren't so racist. They could do some really great things if they weren't such bigots.

And then, of course, there is this religionist brown matter:


These are some of the things that we, the Muslims, want for our people in North America
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What The Muslims Believe
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1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur'an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah's Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead--not in physical resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first.

Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America...

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names--the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality--as a nation--of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of "freed slaves."

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their "friends." Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.


If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves.

We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.

This is why I hate the NOI.

Red October
8th January 2007, 21:28
the NOI is paradoxical bullshit. they want "complete freedom", but at the same time they want to prohibit integration. they want freedom but they also want a universal government under islam. their brand of islam is even more ridiculous than others with all the crazy bullshit they tacked on to it.

chimx
8th January 2007, 21:37
Plus they killed Malcom X

Guerrilla22
9th January 2007, 22:09
They're extremely reactionary ans very, very anti-Semitic, fuck them.

Red October
9th January 2007, 23:13
they're certainly no ally to the left. their refusal to work with any real progressive groups, anti-semitism, and desire for islamic rule render them totally irrelevant in the modern leftist struggle.

Cryotank Screams
9th January 2007, 23:24
Where are the politically? Right up there with the white nationalists, ;) .

Knight of Cydonia
10th January 2007, 00:25
Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 03:39 am

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead--not in physical resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first.

Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America...

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names--the black people of the Earth.


these moslem believers are wrong,Islam would never allowed what we called "Rascist."Look at their sentences,they&#39;re seem to be "specialized" the black,but the truth is there is no spesialized in Islam,what color are you and what nation are you,we are the same,no black or white.I think those sentences were made by a morrons with big rascism in their head. <_<


12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims.

and this sentences....it&#39;s a big BULLSHIT&#33; :angry:

where did you got this bullshit anyway,Muigwithania? :huh:

Smert&#39; ili svoboda
10th January 2007, 14:49
...Yep according to many muslims around the world....the NOI aren&#39;t even considered as muslims since they believe in completely different ideologies just as that marriage matter/ideology of theirs.....which i don&#39;t know where they have obtained from.

:o NOI murdered Malcom X including the hiphop atrist Napoleon&#39;s parents:
Here&#39;s a recent video of Napoleon&#39;s views of Islam and NOI and his life story from being a street life thug to Islam....if you&#39;re interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ_T70W-BJA
(in the beginning he recites some arabic....just in case your wondering what???)

Sugar Hill Kevis
10th January 2007, 16:30
they believe Farrakhan (spelling?) went up to a big mothership that hovers above earth to talk to the honourable elijah muhammad

this, coupled with like everyone others have said, they&#39;re wankers

Forward Union
10th January 2007, 17:29
Shit tho they are, at least they have actually read the Koran and follow it unlike other Muslims.

I have the same problem with christians (and people of any faith but mainly muslims and christians). I wish they&#39;d read their damn book properly and either embrace it or reject it.

:angry:

Black Dagger
10th January 2007, 17:52
where are they politicaly?

Black Nationalist Muslims?


Originally posted by chimx+--> (chimx)Plus they killed Malcom X[/b]

Perhaps, although the US govt. should definately not be excluded as a suspect.


Originally posted by Cryotank [email protected]
Where are the politically? Right up there with the white nationalists

The NOI and white nationalists are not the same at all; the history (and ongoing reality) of racism and white supremacy in the US makes the structural role and function of white nationalist groups in US society completely different to Black nationalist groups, including Islamic nationalist groups like the NOI.

The former reinforce white supremacy (white nationalist groups are really the vanguard of white supremacy in the US) and the latter seek its abolition. Each group is used differently by the state, the police and so forth, and possess different resource bases, differnet levels social-political-economic power, and conduct different activities with different orientations (white nationalists have &#39;race defence&#39;, which is often more like an offensive vs. NOI&#39;s form of economic empowerment/community support work).

It&#39;s a mistake to conflate the two simply because they are both ethno-nationalist groups.


LU
Shit tho they are, at least they have actually read the Koran and follow it unlike other Muslims.

Eh, the NOI historically has been heavily criticised by muslims globally for their idiosyncratic beliefs, they&#39;re not orthodox (i.e. &#39;book&#39; Muslims) by any means.

Knight of Cydonia
10th January 2007, 17:59
Originally posted by Black [email protected] 11, 2007 12:52 am
Eh, the NOI historically has been heavily criticised by muslims globally for their idiosyncratic beliefs, they&#39;re not orthodox (i.e. &#39;book&#39; Muslims) by any means.
indeed

Severian
10th January 2007, 20:52
Politically, they&#39;re basically on the right. They often cozy up to ultrarightists, including LaRouche&#39;s group, the Liberty Lobby, and even outright white supremacists.

Their economic program is mostly the promotion of Black-owned businesses. They oppose affirmative action and social welfare programs. Their positions on women&#39;s rights, gay rights, etc. are similar to the "Christian Right" if not even worse. Etc.

Still, they operate differently from other rightist groups because of the fact they&#39;re based in the Black population, an oppressed nationality that&#39;s mostly composed of workers.

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And as others have said, the NOI is the far from being orthodox, Koran-based Muslims. Elijah Muhammad basically made up his own theology, complete with ancient mad scientists and divine flying saucers.

Fawkes
10th January 2007, 21:40
That&#39;s the one problem I have with Public Enemy, they support these assholes. (One example being the line from "Bring the Noise": "Farrakhan&#39;s a prophet that I think you oughta listen to").