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Rawthentic
7th January 2007, 22:11
Cuban paper warns against consumerism

By VANESSA ARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 57 minutes ago

HAVANA - Cuba's official youth newspaper on Sunday reported an increase in sales of children's toys this year but warned against a rise in consumerism on the communist-run island.


In a two-page spread, the Juventud Rebelde reported on the revival of "Three Kings Day," a Latin American tradition of giving gifts to children on Jan. 6, commemorating the arrival of three wise men who offered the newborn Jesus gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

"A tradition that seemed extinct in Cuban society rises again," the state-run newspaper said. "Although no one sees celebrating the millennial festivity of the Three Kings as heresy, the danger could be in (the holiday) accentuating consumerist habits and social differences."

Christmas is a low-key affair in Cuba. The government discouraged holiday celebrations for religious and consumerist reasons for decades following
Fidel Castro's 1959 revolution, but made Christmas a holiday in 1997 ahead of a visit by
Pope John Paul II in 1998.

Christmas was declared a permanent holiday at the end of 1998, a decision religious leaders embraced while also echoing concerns that it would succumb to Western-style commercialization.

State-run department stores offer no special promotions or sales on toys this time of year. Those interviewed for the Juventud Rebelde article attributed the increase of gift-giving in Cuba to the influence of globalization and visits by Cuban-Americans and other natives living abroad.

"During these days one can hardly move around the toy department of stores ... in the capital," the article said.

The newspaper spread showed photographs of shoppers holding several bags and children playing with toys. Raisa Vazquez, a manager of Havana's La Epoca department store, was quoted as saying toy sales were the highest this year since the store reopened in 1998.

"The enormous demand has forced us to spread out the toys to other departments, like the hardware section or the area with school supplies, so that the customer doesn't have to wait in such an immense line," Vazquez told the newspaper.

No specific sales numbers were reported, however.

Some of those interviewed by Juventud Rebelde expressed disdain for the resurgence of the holiday, calling it "a tradition of capitalist countries." University professors also warned that gift-giving can highlight economic differences.

"What should worry us is the social connotation that this could have, making it an objective of families to buy the most ostentatious gift," Teresa Munoz, a sociology professor at the University of Havana, told the newspaper. "The solution is not to prohibit (the celebration) but rather to be conscientious of the consequences we could face creating consumerist habits that deform little ones and make them feel superior to their companions."

The Three Kings Day tradition comes from Spain. While not actively promoted by the communist government, the newspaper said rebels led by Castro in the 1950s also gave toys on the holiday to children in the mountains where they were fighting the Cuban revolution.

On Monday, the office of Havana's city historian will distribute 100,000 toys to children to celebrate the holiday but also to honor Castro's Jan. 8 entrance in Havana after the triumph of his revolution in 1959.

LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070107/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_consumerism)

* I was wondering what people thought in regards to this article. I was surprised to hear in this article in one of the paragraphs of a "manager" in one of the stores, and thought of how that is a petty-bourgeois position, in a country that calls itself socialist.

AmerGuerilla
8th January 2007, 00:14
Although I do completely agree that Christmas has become way to commercialized in capitalist countries by the rich being able to buy hundreds of dollars worth of gifts and making the rich little kids feel superior to the kids of working families who dont get there PS2 or a whole list full of presents for just one kid. Christmas for me has always been a joyous time and one were I enjoy being with family and friends to celebrate, not something that is all about presents and I want to keep it that way. My favorite movies to watch of all time are Christmas "Communist" Movies that my family always sit down to watch throughout the season. "The Christmas Charole" and the FBI proclaimed communist movie "Its a Wonderful Life" are my two favorite, and show what the true spirit of CHristmas truely is about. These movies define christmas for me and should for every working class family and the way they should be celebrated with great love and care not defined by presents. These values have been in my family since I was a little kid and it makes me sad or feel bad for the kids and families that get spoiled and have no idea what Christmas has been to the working family for centuries a time of solidarity and love between mankind.

Severian
9th January 2007, 01:28
Originally posted by hastalavictor[email protected] 07, 2007 04:11 pm
I was surprised to hear in this article in one of the paragraphs of a "manager" in one of the stores, and thought of how that is a petty-bourgeois position, in a country that calls itself socialist.
Yes, it is. Why are you surprised? Did you think under the conditions it faced, the Cuban revolution was able to completely abolish administrative specialization or create a wholly classless society? That's a difficult task which can only be completed on the basis of a more developed, international planned economy.

Rawthentic
9th January 2007, 03:09
Yeah, correct. But those are exactly the reasons why I don't see it as socialist.

Nothing Human Is Alien
9th January 2007, 03:25
Because the rest of the world is capitalist?? :huh:

bezdomni
9th January 2007, 03:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 03:09 am
Yeah, correct. But those are exactly the reasons why I don't see it as socialist.
So you are holding material reality against Cuban socialism?

:unsure:

Severian
9th January 2007, 03:26
"socialist" is accurate more in terms of direction and goal than in terms of where social organization is at....

cenv
13th January 2007, 03:31
So you are holding material reality against Cuban socialism?
He's not holding anything against "Cuban socialism". He's simply pointing out that Cuba has petty-bourgeois managers directing Cuban workers, which prevents it from being socialist. Yes, there are material reasons that there are managers, but there are material reasons for all sorts of other things that certainly aren't socialist.

I'm kind of disappointed that none of the people that claim Cuba's a socialist country have attempted to reconcile the idea of managers with socialism. I certainly don't see how it can be done although I'd like to be proved wrong.

RGacky3
13th January 2007, 03:55
If people want to celebrate a tradition, the government has no place interfereing. I think is a silly tradition, but tradition is'nt the govermnets business.

Rawthentic
13th January 2007, 04:25
Because the rest of the world is capitalist??
And that makes it socialist? Far too simplistic. Severian sums up what I mean:


"socialist" is accurate more in terms of direction and goal than in terms of where social organization is at...

and...


He's not holding anything against "Cuban socialism". He's simply pointing out that Cuba has petty-bourgeois managers directing Cuban workers, which prevents it from being socialist. Yes, there are material reasons that there are managers, but there are material reasons for all sorts of other things that certainly aren't socialist.

I'm kind of disappointed that none of the people that claim Cuba's a socialist country have attempted to reconcile the idea of managers with socialism. I certainly don't see how it can be done although I'd like to be proved wrong.

Thanks Cenv

RNK
13th January 2007, 18:18
I suppose it depends on one's definition of managers. If you mean our definition of manager, that being someone who is hired or promoted to an authoritative position over his fellow workers by an undemocratic process for an indefinate amount of time, then no, it isn't socialist. If the definition, however, mirrors that of an elected representative to oversee the goings-on of the workplace (which is, quite frankly, a very necessary position), with a fixed term determining the time he holds this position, and can be voted out of his position, then that is socialist.

But since there's no elaboration I'll assume your use of the word "manager" is infact the first definition that we see in western society today. And in that case, I frown upon its indoctrination into Cuban society.

Back on topic, how exactly could Cuba fight consumerism? Besides the obvious, that being adopting Communism once and for all.

Rawthentic
13th January 2007, 19:05
Cuba can't "adopt" Communism, its a historical process. If Cuba were socialist, it would be on the road to Communism, which we see it is not.

And these "managers" oversee the workplace to make sure that the necessities that the government puts out are met.

manic expression
13th January 2007, 19:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 07:05 pm
Cuba can't "adopt" Communism, its a historical process. If Cuba were socialist, it would be on the road to Communism, which we see it is not.

And these "managers" oversee the workplace to make sure that the necessities that the government puts out are met.
No one's saying Cuba can adopt communism at this point, that much is obvious. However, the fact that communism is not imminent right now does not mean that Cuba is not socialist.

The "managers" oversee the workplace to administrate, not to control. They also help to ensure (there are many federations, unions and other bodies in Cuba that have a central role in society) that society's needs are met. Is that unreasonable? Furthermore, these "managers" are held accountable by the workers between elections, and they must also set aside a day in the week to see individuals to hear their concerns personally.

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

Rawthentic
13th January 2007, 23:05
Overseers huh?

Severian
13th January 2007, 23:11
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 09:31 pm
I'm kind of disappointed that none of the people that claim Cuba's a socialist country have attempted to reconcile the idea of managers with socialism.
That would be a straw man.

I'm kinda disappointed that nobody even tries to explain what the Cuban government could do under the circumstances that would advance workers' interests better.....

Kinda makes the whole argument over what class it represents - just a word game.

Rawthentic
14th January 2007, 03:34
What do you mean?