Suggestions for a read.

[Chris Hiv_E_]

I am trying to find literature on economics without a capitalist state. But the problem is my vocabulary isnt exactly up to par, So I was wondering if anyone knows a book that could (very simply) help me in my understanding.

[The Grey Blur]

The Communist Manifesto

- Messrs K. Marx & F. Engels

[Fawkes]

Good call.

[Chris Hiv_E_]

Let me rephrase that. Economics without a capitalist state, In an Anarchist society.

[Zeruzo]

Anarchist economics... thats a difficult one. Not to make fun of Anarchists but economics isnt really their strong point... Maybe one of Bakunins books.

Maybe one of the following is helpful (quick google-search):

http://www.social-ecology.org/
http://www.infoshop.org/money/index.html
http://www.parecon.org/
http://libcom.org/library/taxonomy/term/54

[Faceless]

Like Lenin said, "Marxism is all powerful because it is true".

You basically have marxist economics and then you have various utopian "theories" about how the economy "should" be organised. I can point you in the direction of Proudhon if you really want 40 years in the wilderness though. The real nature of commodity production is that even though it is based upon the exchange of equal values, and may begin its existence from a very humble beginning as the exchange of equal values owned by their producer, a producer not yet forced to sell his labour power, it inevitably results in its dialectical inversion; the appropriation of a greater and greater portion of his product by a non-producing class; where the worker is totally alienated from the product of his Labour. Marx makes the point in the first volume of capital, with regards to proudhon, "We may well, therefore, feel astonished at the cleverness of proudhon, who would abolish capitalist property - by enforcing the eternal laws of property which are themselves based on commodity production!"

Proudhon thought that because there is a formal equality in commodity exchange based upon producers who own the means of production that we ought to return to this state where every one is a small producer who owns their product. - That is what marx means by "enforcing the eternal laws of property". What Proudhon did not understand is that the negation of capitalist property is not merely a return to small-scale, petty bourgeois commodity production out of the ruins of which capitalism-proper was originally born. The real negation of capitalist property is collective property. However, Marx went further and explained that this "socialism" of Proudhon's is ideally suited to his class-interest.

Why bother to describe the mistakes of Proudhon? To illustrate, that it was only by a scientific analysis using the dialectical method that Marx came to understand the real meaning of the negation of private property, the real driving force of history in the form of the class struggle, and the reasons that Proudhon made the mistakes he did. What is more, anything that falls outside the bracket of scientific study of economics falls inside the bracket of ideology.

I suggest, and hope you take the suggestion seriously, that you read "Wage Labour and Capital" and "Wages, Price and Profit" by Marx.

[Chris Hiv_E_]

Thanks Faceless. Definetly a big help.