Originally posted by Cryotank
[email protected] 09, 2007 10:14 pm
Just because you say, it's infantile and stupid doesn't make it so, it does provide a purpose, the destruction of a church, is no different from the destruction of a bomb factory, because churches and such act as factories of ignorance, and fear.
No, churches are piles of bricks or wood.
They aren't 'factories' of anything. You could teach school in them. You could house the poor in them. You could make them museums.
You could do, I don't know, anything except burn them to the ground, things that might actually help people and serve a useful purpose.
Vandalism is, by definition, infantile.
Wow, great justification, "it's true," woa, I mean woa, hard to argue with that logic, :rolleyes:.
It's not a justification and it's not 'logic', though I'm unsurprised that you don't, or rather can't, realize this.
It's a simple statement of an immutable fact: destroying a building where people go to worship or pray does nothing to diminish worship or prayer and, due to the somewhat unique nature of Christianity, can only be seen as a message to get closer to God.
The fact that you don't realize why a church destruction would make Christians more, not less, religious is unsurprising.
No, I am talking about the people, as in the general public, in a post-revolutionary society, not christians now, burning their own factories, in pre-revolutionary societies.
Which is what makes your point all the more ridiculous.
Yea, I wouldn't expect you to.
Forgive me for my lack of superstition, but it makes no difference to me whether or not churches exist.
The existence of big, ornate buildings has no influence of the truth value of the statement 'God does not exist.'
Any social aspects of the church are extraneous and, one could reasonably surmise, would be done away with easily without resorting to physical destruction.
You obviously have absolutely no idea, of what I am getting at do you? I mean it really is quite clear, do I think destroying churches post-revolution, will make the public atheists? No, do I think it will be a symbolic act, to better severe the chains of spiritual fear, and bondage? Yes, I mean if any of you have tried to break free of the religious spell, it's hard to overcome the indoctrination of the disease, however, confronting all the blasphemies, and performing symbolic blasphemous acts, works to cut down, fear and bondage, it's a symbolic ritual that leads to psychological liberation.
No, if anything performing blasphemy serves only to go against your deeply ingrained senses of revulsion which would only server to FURTHER ideas that churches are somehow 'different' than other buildings.
The correct course of action is to treat them as if they are no different, which will mean they will BE no different.
You simply cannot see things from the perspective of someone on the edge, even in a post revolution society, who was brought believing these places holy. If you burn them, what's he to think? That they are, and that you are denying them; what could be more inline with Christian thought? You would, very simply, be 'doing the work of the devil.'
Now, if instead you just turn churches into daycare centers and promote reason and discourse on the topic, now you avoid powerful emotional responses while still fostering atheistic thinking.
Ex-Christians have every reason to be confused. You think burning down churches would solidify their tentative atheism. I think that's nonsense. The emotional ties of religion go far beyond what you can argue in a day, a week, or a year, or what you can burn down in an hour.
You can't give them the impression, while they're still impressionable, that you're on the side of 'sin'. As long as superstition is in them (and it will, be for a long time), you have to recognize their sensibilities, however ignorant or misguided.
Also, I am not trying to portray arson and vandalism, into something that it is not, what was being discussed was the destruction of churches, post-revolution, by the general public, which much to your dismay, would certainly not be any of the verious negatives adjectives that you have listed.
No, it's still very much infantile.
Why do you need to destroy buildings? Can't you overcome religion with thought and reason?
Are you weak?
I ask you the same question.
You have no need to.