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Red October
7th January 2007, 04:28
HAVANA, Cuba (AP) -- American "peace mom" Cindy Sheehan called for the closure of the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as she and other activists arrived in Cuba on Saturday to draw attention to the nearly 400 terror suspects held at the remote site.

Sheehan is among 12 human rights and anti-war activists who will travel across this Caribbean island next week, arriving at the main gate of the Guantanamo base in eastern Cuba on Thursday -- five years after the first prisoners were flown in.

"Anyone who knows me knows that I am not afraid of anything," Sheehan said when asked about the possibility of U.S. sanctions for traveling to communist-run Cuba, which remains under an American trade embargo.

"What is more important is the inhumanity that my government is perpetrating at Guantanamo," she told reporters.

Sheehan, 49, of Vacaville, California, became an anti-war activist known as the "peace mom" after losing her 24-year-old son, Casey, in Iraq in April 2004.

She drew international attention after camping outside President Bush's Texas ranch to protest the war in Iraq, and has been arrested numerous times for trespassing.

Sheehan arrived in Havana early Saturday evening with trip organizer Medea Benjamin of the California nonprofit groups Global Exchange and CODEPINK: Women for Peace.

Benjamin said group members believed they were exempt from U.S. travel restrictions on Cuba because they were traveling as professional human rights activists who will attend a daylong international conference in the Cuban city of Guantanamo on Wednesday, the eve of their protest.

The U.S. military still holds about 395 men on suspicion of links to al Qaeda or the Taliban, including about 85 who have been cleared to be released or transferred to other countries.

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which doctor
7th January 2007, 04:45
I hate Cindy Sheehan.

Rawthentic
7th January 2007, 04:48
Why is that?

which doctor
7th January 2007, 04:55
She's a spineless liberal who supports the democrats.

manic expression
7th January 2007, 05:18
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 04:55 am
She's a spineless liberal who supports the democrats.
For what it's worth, she just disrupted a Congressional committee (or something to that effect) headed by a Democrat because the Democrat supports the war. She also works with WCW.

She may be a liberal, but she doesn't blindly support the Democrats. At any rate, it's pretty clear she's no leftist (except to people who consider Democrats like Kucinich or Dean "leftists" :rolleyes: ), so it's a minor point.

Demogorgon
7th January 2007, 05:21
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 04:55 am
She's a spineless liberal who supports the democrats.
This kneejerk reactyion is amazing. Have you not noticed that the US media calls any vagualy left wing position Liberal? If you were well known you would be called a Liberal. Yet despite the fact the description is often wildly inaccurate you treat anyone given the name as if they were a crony of Adam Smith's.

The Grey Blur
7th January 2007, 19:11
Can someone be considered a 'spineless liberal' when they have 1)never been exposed to socialist ideas and 2) shown more guts than any living communist in the US

?

Fawkes
7th January 2007, 20:22
never been exposed to socialist ideas
One can't assume that she's never been exposed to socialist ideas.

The Grey Blur
7th January 2007, 22:00
Yes, I'd say she has been exposed to Socialist ideas - that we are baby-eating dictator-worshippers - much like the rest of the brainwashed US Cold War generation.

violencia.Proletariat
7th January 2007, 22:05
Originally posted by Demogorgon+January 07, 2007 01:21 am--> (Demogorgon @ January 07, 2007 01:21 am)
[email protected] 07, 2007 04:55 am
She's a spineless liberal who supports the democrats.
This kneejerk reactyion is amazing. Have you not noticed that the US media calls any vagualy left wing position Liberal? If you were well known you would be called a Liberal. Yet despite the fact the description is often wildly inaccurate you treat anyone given the name as if they were a crony of Adam Smith's. [/b]
No he would be called an "anarchist" or "terrorist" or "pinko scum."

PRC-UTE
7th January 2007, 22:13
What a heroic person. I salute her principled stance of also fighting for victims of US imperialism, not just its fallen soldiers.

The Grey Blur
7th January 2007, 22:26
Well said ^

Has Castro or the official Cuban press made any comment on this?

Red October
7th January 2007, 22:56
i dont know what the cuban government's attitude towards her visit is, but i doubt they would be unhappy with it. though i bet the US government will try their best to prosecute her for going to cuba.

Nothing Human Is Alien
7th January 2007, 23:19
They usually don't prosecute high profile travelers. But then again, they didn't actually prosecute anyone for traveling to Cuba until Bush came into office.


Yes, I'd say she has been exposed to Socialist ideas - that we are baby-eating dictator-worshippers - much like the rest of the brainwashed US Cold War generation.

Come on, she works/has worked with with a number of anti-war front groups, all of which are run by communists of one stripe or another.

I'm not aware of Granma or any other press mentioning Sheehan's recent visit, though that doesn't mean they haven't.

violencia.Proletariat
7th January 2007, 23:24
Originally posted by PRC-[email protected] 07, 2007 06:13 pm
What a heroic person. I salute her principled stance of also fighting for victims of US imperialism, not just its fallen soldiers.
Here stance seems to be purley moral. I have seen no analysis of us imperialism from her or even here mention that us actions are imperialist. And if shes a "hero" then Durrutti, Che, etc must be Gods :rolleyes:

PRC-UTE
8th January 2007, 01:33
Originally posted by violencia.Proletariat+January 07, 2007 11:24 pm--> (violencia.Proletariat @ January 07, 2007 11:24 pm)
PRC-[email protected] 07, 2007 06:13 pm
What a heroic person. I salute her principled stance of also fighting for victims of US imperialism, not just its fallen soldiers.
Here stance seems to be purley moral. I have seen no analysis of us imperialism from her or even here mention that us actions are imperialist. And if shes a "hero" then Durrutti, Che, etc must be Gods :rolleyes: [/b]
What a bunch of trendy lefty posturing.

As Engels said 'an ounce of action is wroth a tonne of theory'.

Red October
8th January 2007, 01:37
Originally posted by PRC-UTE+January 07, 2007 08:33 pm--> (PRC-UTE @ January 07, 2007 08:33 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 11:24 pm

PRC-[email protected] 07, 2007 06:13 pm
What a heroic person. I salute her principled stance of also fighting for victims of US imperialism, not just its fallen soldiers.
Here stance seems to be purley moral. I have seen no analysis of us imperialism from her or even here mention that us actions are imperialist. And if shes a "hero" then Durrutti, Che, etc must be Gods :rolleyes:
What a bunch of trendy lefty posturing.

As Engels said 'an ounce of action is wroth a tonne of theory'. [/b]
whatever her stance is, whether its moral or leftist, shes still out there doing something against militarism. i dont think we should bash her for what shes doing against the war.

violencia.Proletariat
8th January 2007, 02:11
Originally posted by Red October 1922+January 07, 2007 09:37 pm--> (Red October 1922 @ January 07, 2007 09:37 pm)
Originally posted by PRC-[email protected] 07, 2007 08:33 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 11:24 pm

PRC-[email protected] 07, 2007 06:13 pm
What a heroic person. I salute her principled stance of also fighting for victims of US imperialism, not just its fallen soldiers.
Here stance seems to be purley moral. I have seen no analysis of us imperialism from her or even here mention that us actions are imperialist. And if shes a "hero" then Durrutti, Che, etc must be Gods :rolleyes:
What a bunch of trendy lefty posturing.

As Engels said 'an ounce of action is wroth a tonne of theory'.
whatever her stance is, whether its moral or leftist, shes still out there doing something against militarism. i dont think we should bash her for what shes doing against the war. [/b]
What is she doing against the war? She hasn't done anything to change/stop/slow down the war effort.

Red October
8th January 2007, 02:25
Originally posted by violencia.Proletariat+January 07, 2007 09:11 pm--> (violencia.Proletariat @ January 07, 2007 09:11 pm)
Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 07, 2007 09:37 pm

Originally posted by PRC-[email protected] 07, 2007 08:33 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 11:24 pm

PRC-[email protected] 07, 2007 06:13 pm
What a heroic person. I salute her principled stance of also fighting for victims of US imperialism, not just its fallen soldiers.
Here stance seems to be purley moral. I have seen no analysis of us imperialism from her or even here mention that us actions are imperialist. And if shes a "hero" then Durrutti, Che, etc must be Gods :rolleyes:
What a bunch of trendy lefty posturing.

As Engels said 'an ounce of action is wroth a tonne of theory'.
whatever her stance is, whether its moral or leftist, shes still out there doing something against militarism. i dont think we should bash her for what shes doing against the war.
What is she doing against the war? She hasn't done anything to change/stop/slow down the war effort. [/b]
what have you done?

which doctor
8th January 2007, 02:31
Do you ignore the fact that she is a staunch democrat and even spoke at the Ludwig Mises Institute?

Sumac
8th January 2007, 02:53
Everything I've heard about Cindy Sheehan has been positive. Her son died in the Iraq war, I think she's entitled to have some strong opinions. More power to her.

As a side note, I'm heading to Cuba in 2 months to go on a sustainable farming tour there. Should be a good time!

violencia.Proletariat
8th January 2007, 03:49
Originally posted by Red October 1922+January 07, 2007 10:25 pm--> (Red October 1922 @ January 07, 2007 10:25 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 09:11 pm

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 07, 2007 09:37 pm

Originally posted by PRC-[email protected] 07, 2007 08:33 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 11:24 pm

PRC-[email protected] 07, 2007 06:13 pm
What a heroic person. I salute her principled stance of also fighting for victims of US imperialism, not just its fallen soldiers.
Here stance seems to be purley moral. I have seen no analysis of us imperialism from her or even here mention that us actions are imperialist. And if shes a "hero" then Durrutti, Che, etc must be Gods :rolleyes:
What a bunch of trendy lefty posturing.

As Engels said 'an ounce of action is wroth a tonne of theory'.
whatever her stance is, whether its moral or leftist, shes still out there doing something against militarism. i dont think we should bash her for what shes doing against the war.
What is she doing against the war? She hasn't done anything to change/stop/slow down the war effort.
what have you done? [/b]
I haven't claimed to have done anything to effect the war. You claimed she has, so stop getting off topic and prove it.