Silence the right?

[Che Jexster]

I am a leftist, and I enjoy talking to other leftists who aren't blinded by propaghanda by the media and society. However I think that what has helped me grow as a leftist more than anytihng else are right wingers. They are obnoxious alot of times but through refuting their points you grow to understand and learn more about leftism.
The world is full of rightest jerks, why try to build a subteraenean world where one ideal system is law. I doubt many rightests with join the message board or the private forum anyway.
While getting leftist feed back is important and opens up literature that I'd otherwise be ignorant of (it not getting the greatest publicity and all) I think that to expand beyond literature and build a stronger foundation we should be supported by other leftists but not blind to the counter arguments.
Anyone else's thoughts on the subject are welcome.

[RedCeltic]

I'm fully aware if the right wing arguments... I live in a conservitive distrect, and am surounded by 'right wingers'. This is probobly the only place I can talk about my political ideas without being considered a radical way off the deep end. Don't think that because we are leftists and want to buld a forum for people with our own political spectrum that we don't talk to righties at all... I debate with them every day in my own life. I come here not to debate with them... but to talk to other leftists...

[Paul]

It was coming to America that pushed me to the left. back in the UK, i would have considered my self middle of the road. After being in America for a while, i realised that America is so far to the right, that the American Political spectrum starts from the middle and goes right, that suddenly, i was to the left of everyone i saw, met or talked with. As the months went by, and i discovered more and more, how right wing america is, i moved even more to the left, just to distance my self as far as could from the American liberals/right wingers

[Moskitto]

My Brother's center-right (although more center than right)

Now he's one of the more sensible people on the right wing because he can actually accept that some reform is needed just not as radical as the reform I think is nesseccary.

But he can be a bit annoying sometimes (but then again most brothers are) and he like walks into my room and pokes fun at my communist ideas.

But at least he acknolages that we aren't a load of people who believe in a Stalin style dictatorship.

[Prometeos]

We have to respect other people ideas if we whant them to respect ours. Listen to other people ideas, even if they are from right or center-right, will help us to understend the world. Intolerance will only lead us to ignorance.

[vox]

"We have to respect other people ideas if we whant them to respect ours. Listen to other people ideas, even if they are from right or center-right, will help us to understend the world. Intolerance will only lead us to ignorance."

I've got to disagree with that. I'm intolerant as all hell. I've no use for the right-wingers of the world.

I should respect the funding of dictatorships? I should respect the assault on the poor? I should respect covert operations that destroy democracy?

Hell no.

No more than I should respect a racist, a misogynist or some right-wing gay-basher.

Respect them?

No.

vox

[Prometeos]

I don´t think we are talking about the same thing. Wen I say right I don´t say extremist right , those i hate as much as you. In my country ,portugal, there are many people who are from the right without being "dictators". They just believe in this capitalist vision of the world. I do not agree with this, but i think that we should try to understend their vision. And explain them that not everyone has the luck to have the life conditions tath they have.

[Moskitto]

Speaking of Gay bashing I'm thinking of writing a essay saying that the people who advocate age limit difference between homosexuals and hetrosexuals should also accept different voting ages for different political views. Some of those homophobes need to learn some things.

[gogo gomez]

Quote: from RedCeltic on 1:32 pm on Nov. 3, 2001
I'm fully aware if the right wing arguments... I live in a conservitive distrect, and am surounded by 'right wingers'. This is probobly the only place I can talk about my political ideas without being considered a radical way off the deep end. Don't think that because we are leftists and want to buld a forum for people with our own political spectrum that we don't talk to righties at all... I debate with them every day in my own life. I come here not to debate with them... but to talk to other leftists...


no disrespect but i refuse to be labeled as a "left" or a "right". i have two hands one left and one right. the right im interested in is the way of the "brave fighter" a new way that is "right" for the world, but if you really want to know i think we all right or left could be FUCT. i live in reality and im sorry if im not a boring politician, even though the leftist could be viewed as far more valuable because they bring a wealth of information regarding human suffering, wars, and strife of all people all over the world. forgive me if i sound hateful, i am the least of that but i am so frustrated and outraged by the trying to live within a fragment of society that seems only perfect if blinders are worn. the answer is out there somewhere.. VIVE LA ESPERANZA!!!

[Che Jexster]

Who said anything about respecting dictators or the ideals about rightists? My point is merely to respect their right to free speech.

[Che Jexster]

Who said anything about respecting dictators or the ideals about rightists? My point is merely to respect their right to free speech.

[Moskitto]

Rosa Luxemburg on Free Speach.
"Freedom of the party members, or freedom where it's awarded is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently."

Me on Free Speach
"Free Speach ends where it denies someone else the right to Sree Speach."

[Guest1]

Personally, as long as we ourselves don't fall into the trap of selfishness that many of these rich capitalists fall into, I have no problem with awarding the right to speech. Give them the same rights you'd like them to give us. Where it becomes dangerous is when we say that we'll allow actions that they take to pass because of respect for opinion. That's an important destinction. Living together means accepting the opinions, not the actions.

I live in Montreal. I'm sure you all know McDonald's doesn't allow unions. A 16 year-old was able to gain accreditation for a union at one of these restaurants, within a year, the restaurant was shut down for "profit losses". Just scare tactics to discourage unions at other restaurants, that's all it is. I wouldn't want the owners to be silenced for saying that they don't think the unions should be there, but shutting down the restaurant because of the union is illegal. That action should not go unpunished.

[Che Jexster]

Agreed
However free action is a completly different concept than free speech. If we allow the right more access to our medium, then that only shows that our movement has a stronger base than theirs for they only attain power through propaganda over all media.

[Nickademus]

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:51 pm on Nov. 9, 2001
Speaking of Gay bashing I'm thinking of writing a essay saying that the people who advocate age limit difference between homosexuals and hetrosexuals should also accept different voting ages for different political views. Some of those homophobes need to learn some things.


presumably you are talking about the age of conset. if you are and are serious i would be happy to give you information. i'm currently taking a gay and lesbian legal issues course that has some excellent resources

[Moskitto]

Thanks Nickademus

I think my main point of attack will be using their arguement (that it's a choice) to show that who you vote for is also a choice. Homosexuality doesn't harm anyone else but different political parties can, So lets have legal ages for voting for different political parties, Then we go on the steady road to a one party dictatorship.