90% of Iraqis preferred life under Hussein!

[Cheung Mo]

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/...em/itemID/14282 (http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/14282)

[Springmeester]

On the Dutch radio this morning they told that the government of the US is probably gonna want to split up Iraq in various different countries because 'unity can only be esteblished by dictatorship'. Personally I feel it is a strategy of divide and conquer and it's typical for the US to do so.

[razboz]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 09:56 am
On the Dutch radio this morning they told that the government of the US is probably gonna want to split up Iraq in various different countries because 'unity can only be esteblished by dictatorship'. Personally I feel it is a strategy of divide and conquer and it's typical for the US to do so.
I dont think the USA has the choice. Sectarian divisions exist despite of, not becaus e of America. A country united under their leadership or the leadership of the Government, which amounts to the same thing, would be much cheaper and quicker for them.

[Tekun]

^That's a typical conspiracy theory
One which I find difficult to even fathom considering that those most affected by a fragmentation of Iraq would be foreing investors
The US and its cronies want a friendly government with which to work with, in order to have markets, resources, and a country from which to regulate things in the middle east
Breaking up the country would put a damper on their future plans, though I think an eventual civil war could mos definitely do that also

Only 90%? Damn, I thought it'd be a lil higher considering that the government is still rather small and the major religious figures are but a few

[Noah]

It's true, my family has loads of communists and they preferred it under Saddam too, all my uncles are just at home now shitting themselves, they can't even distribute literature in clothes and stuff :lol: its messed up

[Comrade_Scott]

hmm just 90% i thought it would be more. anyway that comes as no surprise as you cant even go and buy flour without wondering will i be
A. blown up
B. shot
C.kidnapped and murderd
i said it before and ill say it again saddam was far from good hell he was pure evil but you knew what lines to cross now the line is gone and its a freefall to shit and death. that counrty needs to be split up because the other option is to put in annother crazy and let him oppress and nobody wants that :rolleyes:

[Bolshevist]

Oh well, hopefully the Americans have learned that you cannot export democracy like a crate of bananas!! :wacko:

[Spirit of Spartacus]

that counrty needs to be split up because the other option is to put in annother crazy and let him oppress and nobody wants that

That may well be the most rational solution to the problem, but who is going to split the country?

The imperialist occupiers?

The trouble is, nothing can ever change for the better in Iraq while foreign troops are sitting there.

Our best hope is that the resistance steps up its efforts, and for Fuck&#39;s sake, targets OCCUPIERS instead of Iraqi people&#33; <_<

[Noah]

I don&#39;t think it should be split up along religious/ethnic lines..I think it should be left as it is because as you all probably know the main groups are Kurdish, Sunni and Shia (as you know this makes it a complicated situation) but to make things EVEN more complicated, you&#39;ve got 100s of other groups/ethnicities in Iraq who will also won&#39;t some cake...You&#39;ve got Mandaeans, Christians, Yezidis, Assyrians, Fireworshippers, all these are going to complain they will be unsafe in the Shia/Sunni sections and they are right...We&#39;re not and I know this because my family and friends has been effected especially by the Mehdi army for not being Muslim.

So if it is, basically, what I&#39;m saying is that all those smaller groups who culturally played huge parts in the overall Iraq/Babylon are going to be wiped out unless they are protected too which they won&#39;t be.

Think about it, some Shi&#39;ites hate Sunnis due to spiritual purposes now what do you think they will do to a Christian, Mandaean or fireworshipper...Those extremists will butcher these people..

They can&#39;t go to Kurdistan, or Shia or Sunni -istan ... I think eventually you&#39;ll get the same thing that happened in Palestine, the minorities will bunch up together (who do make a significant number) all over the world and set up a homeland there too...This will probably take decades or maybe even a century but what I&#39;m saying is in the long term splitting up a complex country like Iraq will make it even more unstable.

Splitting a weak country, into even weaker countries makes no sense.

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Oh and plus, before the invasion not many people gave a shit who was who, this extremism is new and most people have been forced to turn towards it because of fear and desperation.

The only people I sympathise with is the Kurds who do deserve self-determination but not Sunni or Shi&#39;ite but I don&#39;t think the Kurds can get sovereignty now, the time isn&#39;t right Iraq needs to stabilise.

[razboz]

Why should the Shiites and the Sunnis not be allowed the same rights as the Kurds?

I really doubt there will be any end to violence in Iraq. i think that the Americans did something very stupid when they invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein was one of the few, if not the only, rulers who was not a religious fanatic. I fear that with him now completely out of the picture (unless they do an Iraq II in which they clone him) there will be no end to the violence whatsoever.

[Noah]

Sometimes I think the Americans want this to happen. Many terrorist organisations have turned their eyes towards Iraq, this means alot of their resources are going into Iraq as opposed to going towards America or the UK.

Aswell as this (although this isn&#39;t in favour of America), I think Iran are funding the Shi&#39;ite extremist groups, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s been on English television but there&#39;s been loads of coverage on this on Arabic TV. Basically they captured 5 Iranian agents who had maps and plans and memoirs which were being used to spread terrorism and Shi&#39;ite power in Iraq along with weapons...Now I can&#39;t say how credible this is but I wouldn&#39;t be surprised 60% of Iraq is Shia and much of Iran is...Along with that Iraq has alot of oil if Iran could sway Iraq on it&#39;s side these 2 oil filled regions would be very powerful.

[EwokUtopia]

Of course America wants this to happen&#33; Why were the borderlines of the Mid East (including the creation of the Iraqi nation) done in the first place? To keep them divided and unable to resist the imperial control of Britain and France. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Iraq is a small fry in America&#39;s Imperial agenda however, it was invaded for oil, but not so they could take oil. The Americans want to have their hands on the oil tap so they could, if they wanted, deny the lifeblood of industrialization to the rising China.

Not that petroleum-based industrialization is a particularly good thing, but whats scary here is they may well start up a new cold war that will waste the worlds resources and make environmental healing next to impossible. Goodbye green earth...

[RNK]

They split Yugoslavia up into a bunch of little countries, and it didn&#39;t turn out all that bad. And they have no oil there. But it would probably fail in Iraq for that soul purpose -- oil. SOMEONE is going to be unhappy, feeling they haven&#39;t gotten a big enough piece.

[Janus]

Interesting...I didn&#39;t think that it could be this high despite all the recent instability. I suppose that part of it is also because a lot of Iraqis still look back on the old glory days under Saddam when Iraq was a major Middle Eastern power.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 11:09 pm
They split Yugoslavia up into a bunch of little countries, and it didn&#39;t turn out all that bad.
War and poverty followed the split of Yugoslavia. The political movements which emerged from the Communist Party were imperialist lackeys or national chauvinist.

[JazzRemington]

I&#39;m kinda skeptical of this survey. It&#39;s just that they don&#39;t tell you how many people took the survey.

[Lamanov]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 11:35 am
The US and its cronies want a friendly government with which to work with, in order to have markets, resources, and a country from which to regulate things in the middle east.

Of course. They don&#39;t give a flying fuck about what Iraquis think. As long as they can kill each other, US can do what they planned long time ago with no distraction.

Hell, while invasion itself was in full throttle, investments for oil came launching in from the States, with beggining of realization of longterm investment plans.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 09:56 am
On the Dutch radio this morning they told that the government of the US is probably gonna want to split up Iraq in various different countries because &#39;unity can only be esteblished by dictatorship&#39;. Personally I feel it is a strategy of divide and conquer and it&#39;s typical for the US to do so.
I know that some Washington think tanks are proposing this be done. I saw a brief article by some think tank in Foreign Affairs describing, just that. However, I don&#39;t forsee this happening due to the immense logistical problems it would cause. It was a huge effort to put together and form the current Iraqi government apparatus and it hasn&#39;t been all that sucessfuk so far. Doing that 3 or 4 times over would be too much for the US to handle.

[unema-]

I&#39;m kinda skeptical of this survey. It&#39;s just that they don&#39;t tell you how many people took the survey.2,000 with a margin of error of 3.1...not bad but face to face can be known to not be that accurate as the people being questioned could be persuaded by the way the question is asked or other circumstances...interesting though.

[Ol' Dirty]

Of course this is true. He was the only thing holding the fucking country together. THe British gave Iraq independance without understanding the history of the region. Yet another imperialist fuck up.

What the hell would you excpect? :huh: